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post #51 of 140
10/13/08 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Alleged voter fraud is just a maguffin used to commit egregious and criminal voter purges (look at the ratio between numbers of voters purged in swing states versus the number of voters who died or moved). This ACORN hysteria is a Republican-fueled sham because Republicans know that the fewer people voting, the higher their chances of winning.

ACORN flags every questionable registration form but is required by law to turn every form they receive into the elections dept.

Look what happened when an actual investigation of so-called voter fraud was conducted...


From former US Attorney David Yglesias, Why I Was Fired

The real crimes against democracy are election fraud and vote tampering.

The Closer, facts matter.

If you read my first post, I wasnt intending to start a republican vs democrat debate and who this helps or doesnt help.

Do these actions not disturb you? Thats the question. If the purging of democrat votes are occurring (as Im sure they are) that disturbs me too.

The point of this thread is to maybe come up with ways to prevent both (as Im sure those in charge of the country are following this thread in hopes of getting some good ideas).

Reading comprehension matter, too.
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post #52 of 140
10/13/08 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
So who has the balls to put Devin in the troll thread?

I kid, kind of.
It's a pointless gesture. Devin is the official CHUD troll. He's paid to be obnoxious and annoying. It drums up interest and hits. And it's better than
working at Fatburger...probably.

I do love the elegance of calling a black man a racist against his own best interests. There's a circular logic presented here that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
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post #53 of 140
10/13/08 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
It's a pointless gesture. Devin is the official CHUD troll. He's paid to be obnoxious and annoying. It drums up interest and hits. And it's better than
working at Fatburger...probably.

I do love the elegance of calling a black man a racist against his own best interests. There's a circular logic presented here that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
I prefer Uncle Tom.

Or "oreo." At least those are tasty.
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post #54 of 140
10/13/08 at 11:55am
Voter fraud is very bad. Voter disenfranchisement is very bad.

What we have with ACORN is not voter fraud. It is voter registration fraud, which is bad, but not as bad as voter fraud. It is bad because it clogs up all these little boards of elections that have to weed through the bad registrations that ACORN fails to catch.

Where it's really bad (for me as a Democrat) is that it means the astronomical new registration numbers Obama has been getting are inflated to a greater or lesser degree so my warm security blanket of new registrations is slightly more threadbare than it was before. And it gives a divisive talking point to right wing radio jocks.

Also, while discussing voter (registration) fraud is not inherently racist, the way ACORN is discussed is terribly, terribly racist.
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post #55 of 140
10/13/08 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
I say we make it so you need to know a secret word to vote. Also, instead of "I just voted" stickers people get scratcher cards and if they rub off who their voting for across the ballot and they win, they're entered into a drawing for a free trip for two to congress so they can personally gut check the douches who are being voted out.
Mine says "Swordfish".
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post #56 of 140
10/13/08 at 11:51pm
Another CNN report on ACORN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhrT22BsIY

ACORN turns in 5000 new voter registration applications, election officials stop counting after over 2100 fraudulent ones. These morons blame election officials for their incompetence!

WTF?

What is this organization up to? How can they be so incompetent?
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post #57 of 140
10/13/08 at 11:56pm


McCain at an ACORN rally.
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Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said.
Source.
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post #58 of 140
10/13/08 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
What is this organization up to? How can they be so incompetent?
As yt said, they have to turn in every form they get, and they do flag the worst ones. And since they are aiming for the voters in the areas that no one else could get to, of course it's going to be messy. Who knows if any other organization, without a ton more resources and workers, could do better?
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post #59 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:00am
Their workers are turning in thousands of fraudulent applications. If they paid per application it would make sense, is the case that they're evaluating them (or promoting) based on the number of apps?

I'm trying to understand what motivates their own workers to fake so many of them ...
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post #60 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:02am
Also: this...

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How McCain Will Steal the Election from Obama (Sort Of

Imagine an election where one of the participants calls foul. Investigations are launched or at least called for. Prosecutors raise the specter of charges, the U.S. attorney and FBI get involved. No voter fraud is ever actually found. But by the time that conclusion is reached, the myth has been solidified both to soothe the loser's supporters and condemn the winner.

Sound familiar? Sound like the recent ACORN scandal?

Well, actually I'm talking about the 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon. That Nixon was cheated out of a win is the stuff of legend on the Right. The allegations say that Kennedy loyalists fixed the vote counts in Illinois and Texas--swinging 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College to Kennedy. In more hyperbolic versions there is alleged involvement by the mob, the Teamsters Union or legendary Chicago mayor Richard Daley.

The story goes on that Nixon, "for the good of the country," conceded honorably and exited the scene. No matter that Nixon was later chased out of the White House for cheating in an election. The myth endures.

This whole story--maybe to be replayed with Obama playing Kennedy and McCain playing Nixon--is a canard. It is a fable. A lie made up by the conservative movement to hold together their fraying coalition.

In 2008 the stakes are bigger than they've ever been before for conservatives and the canard is that much more important to them.

In the case of Obama the conservative movement is lining up a serious of story elements. They are:

• Obama was a community organizer.
• ACORN, a group that does community organizing, has committed voter fraud.
• Obama is from Chicago.
• You know what happens in elections in Chicago. Remember the 1960 election.

The story is half true and half lies. As we all know, Barack Obama is from Chicago and was a community organizer. Those are the only true parts of the conservative story. But the other two facts are myths: the 1960 election wasn't stolen (says the conclusion of recounts and investigations in 1960 and numerous academic studies since). And, ACORN has not committed voter fraud. Not one bit.

The facts about ACORN are worth getting out. ACORN is an organization that, among other things, registers low-income people to vote. One of the ways they do this is to hire door-to-door canvassers from the neighborhoods they are working in. This sort of work is tightly regulated. So, when one of the thousands of people they give jobs to doesn't do their work right and brings back bogus or phony voter registration cards, the law REQUIRES that ACORN turn the forms in to the voter registration office. The law, rightly, doesn't want anybody throwing out voter registration forms for any reason.

But ACORN goes a step farther. They have people assigned to do quality control on all the cards--calling people on the forms after they fill them out. When they find bad information on the cards they attach a cover sheet to the card but, as mentioned above, they turn in the cards as required by law. The effect is that a few bad canvassers or a poorly run office will mean that bad cards are submitted as part of the normal process. But ACORN has done everything possible to make sure voting officials know to check the forms.

The sad fact is that in at least one state--Nevada--the voting officials disregarded ACORN's cover sheets flagging the voter registration forms. That should have never happened. The resulting blowup was a scandal in search of a scandal.

The stunning con of this whole thing is the assumption that bad voter registration cards being submitted will lead to vote fraud. If somebody submits a card for Mickey Mouse it isn't like Mr. Mouse is going to show up to vote. There is no voter fraud if nobody votes.

But the big story here is what the Right is doing. Their attacks on ACORN open up the door for two things.

First, the ACORN myth allows the Republicans to do more purging of the voter rolls--the process of removing people from the voter rolls because of arbitrary anomalies in the voter registration databases. Richard L Hasen, author of the Election Law Blog and a distinguished law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles recently wrote, "Careless purging--driven by unsubstantiated fears about voter fraud--can lead to many eligible voters being incorrectly removed from the polls." Already in Ohio the Republican Party is pushing for more purging and they found a federal judge who agreed citing ACORN's activities.

Second, in the event that campaigning, purging and intimidating voters doesn't work, the Right is creating a myth like they did in 1960. They are creating the myth of a stolen election. Conservatives plan to claim that ACORN and Barack Obama stole the election. Their hope is to steal the legitimacy of what is looking like a massive repudiation of Bush, conservatives and the Republican Party. The Right plans to steal the election by trying to steal the legitimate defeat of them by progressive forces.

And why wouldn't they? The entire Republican coalition could be shattered with this election. White suburban voters who once voted Republican on tax issues are running away from Republicans on a host of issues--including taxes. Independent are looking more and more like Democratic voters. Barack Obama may even win a majority of male voters. All of them are joining with urban votes, voters of color, young people, working class union members and others to form a long-term governing majority for progressives--a progressive majority.

Conservatives are scared of a progressive majority. And they're going to lie, cheat and steal to prevent it from happening. But they can only be successful if we let them.

The best way to deflate the conservative fable is to win with an overwhelming landslide that guarantees there won't be a dispute of the results.

We also need to confront the Republican vote purging and suppression. Already big efforts by the Obama campaign, the DNC and independent groups are working on this. Progressives and Democrats are united in this effort.

But we also need to make sure the ACORN canard doesn't get to live in daylight. It is time to circle the wagons and make sure John McCain and the Right can't steal the election...even if we win.

For progressives, the ball is in our court.
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post #61 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:05am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Their workers are turning in thousands of fraudulent applications. If they paid per application it would make sense, is the case that they're evaluating them (or promoting) based on the number of apps?

I'm trying to understand what motivates their own workers to fake so many of them ...
Laziness? Craziness? They're Rovian plants?

Who knows. The point is, ACORN is doing a positive service, a service to democracy, and take great pains to flag bad registrations, but they have to turn in every form.

The only story here is that the GOP is mounting their case, as they've been for most of the Bush administration, to deny as many people as they can from voting, and sully any possible democratic victory.
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post #62 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:05am
Funny, a bunch of Democratic election officials are in the "conspiracy" then because they're pretty upset about it.
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post #63 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:07am
Please explain.
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post #64 of 140
10/14/08 at 12:08am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Laziness? Craziness? They're Rovian plants?
That's what I'm wondering, but it doesn't mean people shouldn't ask the question. I'm very sure if this same was being done by a Rep. leaning organization, the same groups on the other side would be all upset.

Registering people to vote is great, but to say that these people have good quality controls in place ... well ... let's just be grateful they're not in charge of the QA of aircraft engines.
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post #65 of 140
10/14/08 at 1:44am
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...h-probe-acorn/

Happening a block from my apartment.


Had ACORN folks knocking at my door at 2 this afternoon. Told them thanks, but no thanks.
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post #66 of 140
10/14/08 at 2:05am
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Originally Posted by Muharulz View Post
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...h-probe-acorn/

Happening a block from my apartment.


Had ACORN folks knocking at my door at 2 this afternoon. Told them thanks, but no thanks.
A few weeks from now we'll find out that Muharulz initially supported registering through ACORN but later changed his view when it became politically expedient.
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post #67 of 140
10/14/08 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
A few weeks from now we'll find out that Muharulz initially supported registering through ACORN but later changed his view when it became politically expedient.
Hardly.
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post #68 of 140
10/14/08 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Their workers are turning in thousands of fraudulent applications. If they paid per application it would make sense, is the case that they're evaluating them (or promoting) based on the number of apps?

I'm trying to understand what motivates their own workers to fake so many of them ...
They have a quota of how many apps they're supposed to turn in per hour or day (I don't remember which). A lot of the details came out in the Las Vegas investigation \ raid.
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post #69 of 140
10/14/08 at 11:32am
ACORN registers Mickey Mouse;
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...icle852295.ece



I don't know ... the address is wrong (Mickey's FL residence is in Lake Buena Vista) but the signature is pretty close ...

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post #70 of 140
10/14/08 at 11:46am
Could be real....

afterall...

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post #71 of 140
10/14/08 at 1:00pm
McCain attends ACORN rally, speaks positively about it:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/...praises-acorn/
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post #72 of 140
10/14/08 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
McCain attends ACORN rally, speaks positively about it:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/...praises-acorn/
That's real weak tea.
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post #73 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:07pm
Defense via Wonkette via Gawker:

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Originally Posted by Gawker
What are my talking points for when crazy relatives argue that ACORN stole the election?
What we’re dealing with so far is minor voter registration fraud. The questionable registrations number in the double digits in most states, and most of them have been flagged and caught by either ACORN themselves or election officials. Furthermore in many places the false registrations are required by law to be submitted anyway, so that ACORN isn’t guilty of, say, tossing out the forms of Republicans they sign up. They do try to flag the fake ones as fake, but regardless, the fake ones are still being caught. Also: voter registration fraud does not coherently lead to voter fraud, because if you register one man 75 times, how will he vote 75 times, exactly?
http://gawker.com/5063157/wait-whats-up-with-acorn
http://wonkette.com/403500/what-is-t...ay#more-403500

I imagine there are discrepancies from state to state as the author has changed the last lines between being excerpted and now.

In terms of ACORN as a political attack, video of McCain's speech at ACORN event: ("What makes America special is what's in this room tonight"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI
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post #74 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:12pm
It's not an ACORN event, it's an immigration rally/event ACORN co-sponsored. McCain says nothing about ACORN itself, so can we stop with that video already? (You guys can do better than that.)
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post #75 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:23pm
In terms of ACORN being used to stir up anger against the Democrats, I think video of McCain at an event ACORN co-sponsored is fair. Because association of it with Obama is unfair. And showing both candidates can be connected to it shuts down the purpose of the attack.
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post #76 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:25pm
Immigration event sponsored by several organizations, yeah kind of irrelevant.

Of course the Republicans are exageratting this, but I don't doubt for a second that if this was a conservative leaning organization that was as incompetent as these guys we would hear the same crap from the usual suspects.

There's also reports of ACORN people actually trying to convince voters to vote for Obama, that's why I don't really approve of partisan voter registration efforts.
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post #77 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:44pm
But to me, ACORN is in the news the same reason Ayers is in the news. That video does the same thing the Obama spokesman who questioned Hannity about his anti-semitic guest did: uses the guilt by association argument to show how easily it's abused.

But I concede this is outside problems in ACORN, which is the stated reason for this thread.
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post #78 of 140
10/14/08 at 5:48pm
I would be more extremely offended if I lived in a country that makes it so hard for its citizens to vote.
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post #79 of 140
10/14/08 at 6:18pm
Television teaches us that even if it means Baltar wins, you don't mess with democratic elections.

If ACORN were a right-leaning organization I'd be screaming bloody murder about this, I admit it. Judging from cable news reports on several channels over the weekend and stories on RealClearPolitics from numerous outlets (both left and right), at best ACORN has been irresponsible in some states.
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post #80 of 140
10/18/08 at 8:25pm
Democrats traditionally want to increase voter turnout, Republicans typically try to suppress it. Which is why you won't see a conservative group trying to perpetrate voter registration fraud anytime soon.

So to make "both parties" equal without any historical precedence isn't really serving anybody right now.

But you will see Republicans try to do everything they can to get legitimate voters off the voter rolls. (see: FL 2000, OH 2004-08, MI 08...) What's more "extremely offensive?" Well, considering that there is NO RECENT EVIDENCE to support the allegation that voter registration fraud results in actual voter fraud, (while there is actual evidence that voter suppression results in legitimate voters being turned away on election day,) I think that voter suppression is vastly more offensive.

Also, getting the DOJ involved in investigating bogus voter fraud cases is yet another example in which McCain and Bush are in the same political bed together. Its illegal, anti-democratic and typically Republican. But by all means, even though US attorneys were illegally fired just a couple of years ago for not pursuing these cases and Abu Gonzales was then fired for pushing this partisan attack from the DOJ, let's just continue on with these easily disprovable false equivalencies. Puke.

Heh, I guess I am extremely offended by the ACORN nonsense, just not in the way that Republicans were hoping.
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post #81 of 140
10/24/08 at 3:38pm
Just to be absolutely clear here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...rn-voter-fraud

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Originally Posted by the article
You'll hear that Donald Duck, Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy, Mickey Mouse and (new this year) the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team have all had fraudulent registrations submitted in their names. That's true. And we know this, why? Because ACORN told officials about it when they followed the law and turned in those registrations, flagged as fraudulent.
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post #82 of 140
9/10/09 at 12:11pm
Dude on another board posted this. I guess they're gonna be trotting out this shit again - I thought it was all over with, but apparently not.
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post #83 of 140
9/10/09 at 12:15pm
Why not? It's been long enough that people won't remember the details, it'll just be this vague issue that they'll just add to the list of reasons they hate Obama.
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post #84 of 140
9/17/09 at 4:18pm
The Distracting Benefits of ACORN Hysteria. A pretty great piece from Greenwald that puts it all into perspective.
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post #85 of 140
9/17/09 at 4:52pm
Here we go again. It's Whitewater Part II. Once they find out that Obama had zero connection to any wrong-doing on the part of ACORN workers, some miniscule thing that's barely tangentially related to that investigation will come up and they'll beat him over the head with it.

EDIT: One of the commenters actually speaks some sense:
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After Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Mike Duvall etc. did we demand an investigation of the entire GOP? No. An investigation into this incident is most certainly warranted and even required by law. However, it is a gross generalization to paint all of ACORN with the prostitution/pimping brush.
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post #86 of 140
9/17/09 at 4:54pm
They busted what, four people?

HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO?
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post #87 of 140
9/17/09 at 5:00pm
Criminal activity is criminal activity, be it committed by white or black, conservative or liberal, Republican of Democrat.

To say anything else is biased. There's no excuse for this kind of activity.

Where do the RICO laws come into play in circumstances like this?

I voted for Obama, but any criminal enterprise like this needs to be properly investigated and any relating crimes be prosecuted.

This is true be it Blackwater or ACORN. Yes, I know that individual political views will bias the views on this crimes. But as a society of laws, can we afford to ignore any lawbreakers?

I don't hold Obama responsible for ACORN, but it still should be properly investigated.
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post #88 of 140
9/17/09 at 5:02pm
No one's saying it shouldn't be investigated. But to assume that because four people did something wrong in an organization that employs thousands that there's some huge over-riding conspiracy that goes all the way to Obama is just ridiculous.
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post #89 of 140
9/17/09 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
No one's saying it shouldn't be investigated. But to assume that because four people did something wrong in an organization that employs thousands that there's some huge over-riding conspiracy that goes all the way to Obama is just ridiculous.
Four seperate branches across the ENTIRE UNITED STATES conducted the SAME illegal behavior and gave advise to the same undercover sting operation. In VIDEO.

Let's also take into account the multi-state voter registration fraud accusation and trials... but I guess those weren't all on video so they must just be right wing conspiracy's... huh?

Glad to see the house pulled their heads out of their collective asses and voted to de-fund Acorn today.
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post #90 of 140
9/17/09 at 7:03pm
MEET THE FACES OF PROSTITUTION.
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post #91 of 140
9/17/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Id hit it.
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post #92 of 140
9/17/09 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by The Closer View Post
Id hit it.

You mean the guy, right?*




* Not in a gay way. Just in the face.**



** Also not in a gay way.
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post #93 of 140
9/18/09 at 10:07am
From a link off of Jake's link, this one includes video.

That video be some shameful shit. Notice how nowhere in the video do they actually tell the ACORN lady that they are planning on using underage women. Note the editing, and the monologue in the beginning telling people what they want you to think in connection with the interview (the phrase "bypassing people waiting in the lobby" implying that ACORN can't wait to talk about underage prostitution). Until I see the entire, uncut, unedited video, all I have to go off of is this one, and nowhere other than the opening monologue do they mention underage prostitution.

Hell, in the beginning they claim that the ACORN employee encouraged them to "Bury sex money obtained through prostitution of young girls in 'tin' under backyard." They then show part of the interview where the employee tells the girl how to protect her money if someone is going to come beat her for it. Nowhere do they tell the lady that they're talking about money from any other prostitute, underage or otherwise. As far as I can tell, it looks like the lady is telling a woman in a bad situation how to protect herself.

It sucks that this lady has to deal with women who prostitute themselves for whatever reason, but if you've dealt with people in these types of situations, you learn that you can't change the people. All you can do is try to minimize their suffering. That seems to be all the lady is doing. Hell, at the end both of the ACORN ladies tell the girl that if she's "going to do that type of work you have to start thinking quickly or you're going to get abused", and the text boxes in the video try to make it look like they're talking about how to not get caught by the government.

Yeah, they probably should have told them to get out and that they can't help them because what they do is illegal and ACORN can't be associated. But it seems like these ladies saw a girl in a bad situation and tried to help her out by giving her advice, because kicking her out and turning a blind eye would just lead for more trouble for the girl. And these callous college students exploited that to get some national recognition. Good job.
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post #94 of 140
9/18/09 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by wydren View Post
That video be some shameful shit. Notice how nowhere in the video do they actually tell the ACORN lady that they are planning on using underage women. Note the editing, and the monologue in the beginning telling people what they want you to think in connection with the interview (the phrase "bypassing people waiting in the lobby" implying that ACORN can't wait to talk about underage prostitution). Until I see the entire, uncut, unedited video, all I have to go off of is this one, and nowhere other than the opening monologue do they mention underage prostitution.
You do apply that logic to all journalism don't you?

Hell just the other day I saw CNN talking about Joe Wilson's outburst and they put this up on the screen:

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Originally Posted by CNN
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for ...individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
See what they did there?
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post #95 of 140
9/18/09 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
You do apply that logic to all journalism don't you?
I try to. It's why I don't get any news from TV networks, and instead spend time digging it up on the internet.
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post #96 of 140
9/19/09 at 9:41am
So, the right wing's hysteria is coincidentally vindicated. I guess even blind nuts sometimes find an acorn (hey hey!)

This is the Right's best bet for now: if they're crazy enough about everything, eventually something will come true!
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post #97 of 140
9/19/09 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Glad to see the house pulled their heads out of their collective asses and voted to de-fund Acorn today.
the scary part are the ones that voted to KEEP funding Acron.
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post #98 of 140
9/19/09 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
The Distracting Benefits of ACORN Hysteria. A pretty great piece from Greenwald that puts it all into perspective.
Just because I feel it needs to be restated. Read this if you're glad ACORN got de-funded.
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post #99 of 140
9/19/09 at 12:04pm
No, they're just going to keep beating their chests over defeating the big, bad ACORN. Same shit happened on another board I post on. Pointing out the ridiculousness of O'Keefe's outfit, how the video's edited, etc. = doesn't matter. Apparently ACORN didn't even kick these fuckheads out or call the authorities because they haven't put forth any evidence that they were kicked out or the authorities were called. It's easy when you get to shape your own narrative. It's like O'Keefe's editing tactics taken to the tapestry of reality and spun into the deepest, most fucked perceptions out there...suddenly four people (along with the people who committed voter fraud, who again were fired/charged and the VOTES WERE DISCARDED) constitute a wide swath of corruption and perversion of values unrivaled in the United States since...who knows when?
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post #100 of 140
9/19/09 at 12:08pm
The biggest point in that article that jumped out for me: if Acorn had more cash wrapped up in Washington, they'd still be funded. Fucking BLACKWATER still gets our money, for God's sake!
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