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post #1 of 368
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Because if we're going to talk about him, let's at least quarantine this shit.

Career trajectory....

1. Media sensation
2. Forgotten like Kato Kailyn
3. Makes a sex tape.
4. Gets a spot on The Surreal Life
5. Becomes a FOX analyst.

Not necessarily in that order.......
post #2 of 368
Palin/Joe in 2012, you heard it here first.
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Palin/Joe in 1012, you heard it here first.
God no. Hopefully I'll be long gone before that happens.
post #4 of 368
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Palin/Joe in 1012, you heard it here first.
1012? But I thought there could be only one!
post #5 of 368
haha "the candidates from the past". Corrected.
post #6 of 368
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What I find funny is that Joe is being used for domestic issues by the right just like Cindy Sheehan was used for the Iraq war by the left. The thing to avoid is the same mistake the right did with Cindy and that is to attack her. The best thing to do is acknowlege him and then ignore him. Of course blogs like Daily Kos and others take the bait way too easily and so it goes. Distraction city.
post #7 of 368
This whole Joe the Plumber nonsense is brilliant. Brilliant. Some dickhead from Ohio manages to make a public whine about Obama's tax policies (that don't even effect him), and steal people's attentions away from shit that actually matters. I have no idea whether all this was intentional and planned, but man...utterly, deviously brilliant.
post #8 of 368
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I have no idea whether all this was intentional and planned, but man...utterly, deviously brilliant.
Of course it was. This is Republican Party 101 shit.
post #9 of 368
I really have no desire to talk about this guy, but I have to ask; is Joe the October Surprise the McCain campaign has been promising?
post #10 of 368
So now Joe the Plumber was a Republican operative?
post #11 of 368
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Originally Posted by agracru View Post
This whole Joe the Plumber nonsense is brilliant. Brilliant. Some dickhead from Ohio manages to make a public whine about Obama's tax policies (that don't even effect him), and steal people's attentions away from shit that actually matters. I have no idea whether all this was intentional and planned, but man...utterly, deviously brilliant.
I honestly don't know what the deal was. My thinking is that the moment might be honest but just like Cindy Shehan, he was turned into a political tool. I don't know how this will play out but I get the feeling it will play for a bit and then fizzle out. The hope is that it won't go to election day. Whether it was a devious plan or not, it was a shrewd way for McCain to get in on the economic dialogue.
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is Joe the October Surprise the McCain campaign has been promising?
No, they haven't released the pics of Joe cumming on Palin's face yet.
post #13 of 368
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
So now Joe the Plumber was a Republican operative?
Just a Republican plumber with a much larger microphone than most other plumbers.
post #14 of 368
It works, but like many of the McCain campaign moves might just have a very limited lifetime. The only question is, when will Joe become irrelevant? My guess, is mid-next week ... However, I think his shelf life will be extended if people keep reacting in a very negative way, specially the campaign (I'm looking at you Joe the Senator).
post #15 of 368
Oh for fuck's sake. A whole goddam thread perpetuating this nonsense?

Have at it. Sheesh.
post #16 of 368
HuffPo is apparently running with the Keating connection. They're acting like it's a confirmation, but this is HuffPo we're talking about.
post #17 of 368
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Oh for fuck's sake. A whole goddam thread perpetuating this nonsense?

Have at it. Sheesh.
Think of it as a quarantine. The contagion infected the debate thread for 2 pages so people want to talk about it. Best case scenario is to get this shit into its own discussion so other threads can stay on topic. I'm doing a public service brah.
post #18 of 368
MSNBC showing Joe the Plumber shirts! He's selling them for $9 a piece, lol.
post #19 of 368
And now ... the Joe the Plumber political ad (that is the actual title of the ad);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmZ3o0Di7Go
post #20 of 368
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
IWhether it was a devious plan or not, it was a shrewd way for McCain to get in on the economic dialogue.
I definitely agree with this. Regardless of Joe being either an active participant, or just a regular schmuck who presented an opportunity and ultimately let himself get used by the Republican party, he provided McCain with a truly masterful way of touching on economic issues. It might make me fume, but all I can say is-- clever, clever, clever.

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So now Joe the Plumber was a Republican operative?
That means trouble that you've not known!

Sorry, had to be done.
post #21 of 368
As far as I'm concerned, this article by MSNBC is pretty much where I stop caring about this issue.

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Wurzelbacher also acknowledged that he had no specific plans for buying Newell’s business, saying he and Newell had simply talked about the idea from time to time.

Even if he did buy Newell Plumbing and Heating, Obama’s tax plan wouldn’t affect him. While Wurzelbacher told Obama that the business would be taxed at a higher rate because it grossed more than $250,000 a year, Ohio business records show the company’s estimated total annual revenue as only $100,000.

In any event, Obama’s tax plan specifies that the higher rate would apply only to revenue above the $250,000 threshold. For a company with revenue of $280,000, the top end of Wurzelbacher’s supposition, only the extra $30,000 would be taxed at a higher rate.

Analysts calculated that the extra tax would amount to $900, which would likely be more than offset by separate provisions of Obama’s plan: a 50 percent tax credit for health care and elimination of the capital gains tax for small businesses.

“I’d have to look your particular business, but you might end up paying lower taxes under my plan and my approach than under John McCain’s,” Obama told Wurzelbacher during their exchange last weekend.

At the time, Wurzelbacher replied, “Oh, yeah, I understand that.”

Wurzelbacher, a registered Republican, refused to say whom he would vote for ... but he hinted that his choice would be McCain, the GOP standard-bearer, whom he said it would be “an honor” to meet. Asked about other issues by a covey of curious reporters, Wurzelbacher voiced strongly Republican opinions.

“Social Security’s a joke,” he said. “I have parents. I don’t need another set of parents called the government. Let me take my money and invest it how I please.”

On immigration: “I wish our borders were closed.”

And on the war in Iraq, which McCain has strongly supported: “I’m not sorry we’re in Iraq. ... It’s made us safer. I absolutely believe that.”
I just don't see what there is to debate here. It's possible he'd make 1/250th (0.25%) less under Obama than McCain and somehow that's worth changing your vote over? I'd say the host of other issues he brought up probably played a bigger role in his decision than that.
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post #23 of 368
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
And now ... the Joe the Plumber political ad (that is the actual title of the ad);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmZ3o0Di7Go
I like that ad. I like how you can bend the truth about as far as it's able to be bent and then accuse your opponent of lying.
post #24 of 368
Well, the ad was a candidate for my "crazy political ads" thread, but hey, it's Joe!
post #25 of 368
God bless you guys, but how the fuck does this have 23 responses and all the movie news from this week lays undiscussed? I can't decide if it's the election or the return of the Comments that has removed movie talk from this board again.
post #26 of 368
Not to derail, but this election has put most of my movie obsessing on the backburner. I have waaaaay too much emotionally invested in this thing, probably when I should be trying to figure out ways to see LET THE RIGHT ONE IN in a theater.
post #27 of 368
Maybe you should change all your titles to "Joe the Plumber would like .. 10 minutes of free sex!"
post #28 of 368
I mean whatever, as long as you guys are loading ads on the pages I guess I don't give a shit, but I feel like this place becomes a worse board when the movie talk falls off and it starts appealing to non-movie people. Just my opinion.
post #29 of 368
Cumming all over Novemeber '08!

Nailin' Paylin!

Joe the Plummer is laying some pipe!
post #30 of 368
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Not to derail, but this election has put most of my movie obsessing on the backburner. I have waaaaay too much emotionally invested in this thing, probably when I should be trying to figure out ways to see LET THE RIGHT ONE IN in a theater.
This right here.

I thought insta-celebrities were supposed to be hot. This asshole is not hot.

The guys get Palin and the women get .... Joe the Asscrack Plumber. Nice.
post #31 of 368
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Not to derail, but this election has put most of my movie obsessing on the backburner. I have waaaaay too much emotionally invested in this thing, probably when I should be trying to figure out ways to see LET THE RIGHT ONE IN in a theater.
Pretty much this. I'm stressing the hell out over the election nonsense, and I cannot fucking wait for my life to return to relative normality on the 5th.
post #32 of 368
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I mean whatever, as long as you guys are loading ads on the pages I guess I don't give a shit, but I feel like this place becomes a worse board when the movie talk falls off and it starts appealing to non-movie people. Just my opinion.
I tried to start a conversation about Chocolat and got zero responses. I blame Joe the Plumber. Or Chocolat.

Fortunately, Let the Right One In won't have its preview at E Street until Nov. 7, so maybe we'll be back to talkin' movies by then.
post #33 of 368
Well it looks like Joe the plumber is about to lose his job, great job media!
post #34 of 368
Because if you work for the city, they require you to have a license. He didn't. Lied about having one and now that the truth is out he is going to lose his job? Shame.
post #35 of 368
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Hey Devin,

Maybe it has to do with shit movies coming out right now? Anyway, I was listening to Hugh Hewitt and in my short 10 minute drive I must have heard "Joe the Plumber" 20 fucking times. I expect by next week, we'll have Obama's symbolic blue collar worker all ready to go. This is when I hate politics.

ETA: I think JTP is an interesting angle but I think they are going to overplay the card big time. People will be amused then they'll be tired of it. I expect it to blow over by next week.
post #36 of 368
Why have several forums dedicated to non-movie subjects if you don't want us to use them?

Again, what business is he buying? “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama
post #37 of 368
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Well it looks like Joe the plumber is about to lose his job, great job media!
Yeah, shame on the media for trying to find out information about a guy who keeps putting himself out there. They should just take what he says at face value and never question a single thing he says.
post #38 of 368
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Because if you work for the city, they require you to have a license. He didn't. Lied about having one and now that the truth is out he is going to lose his job? Shame.
Yeah, the media is to blame. They should have let this unlicensed plumber still work. They are to blame for him being potentially being fired, not the fact that HE DIDN'T GET A PLUMBING LICENSE LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
post #39 of 368
Yeah... not so much there guys. Nice work though, you've created a martyr and anyone who was sympathetic to Joe Dirt will probably become decidedly McCain. The looney left got away with it with Palin <barely> because it turned out she was inept and running as a heart beat away from the Presidency. This guy was simply asking a candidate a question the same as anyone at a tawnhall or forum.... huge backlash.

How about those Ohio focus group people on CNN, they getting the same treatment? or the countless other people that the media kept checking in on during this long election?

Now I kind of buy into the conspiracy...
post #40 of 368
Joe The Plumber. The world's first human talking point.
post #41 of 368
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Yeah, the media is to blame. They should have let this unlicensed plumber still work. They are to blame for him being potentially being fired, not the fact that HE DIDN'T GET A PLUMBING LICENSE LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
Of course it is reasonable to dig everything about his life, publish taxes he owes (which officials said he probably didn't know about), dig through his divorce papers, mock him on national TV and call him a racist (just happened on Larry King).

That's just great and very reasonable, for a guy who basically asked a question ... whoever confused he is or wrong about the issues ... to a candidate.
post #42 of 368
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Of course it is reasonable to dig everything about his life, publish taxes he owes (which officials said he probably didn't know about), dig through his divorce papers, mock him on national TV and call him a racist (just happened on Larry King).

That's just great and very reasonable, for a guy who basically asked a question ... whoever confused he is or wrong about the issues ... to a candidate.
The reason he would lose his job is because HE DOESN'T HAVE A PLUMBING LICENSE LIKE HE IS REQUIRED FOR HIS JOB.

How. The Fuck. Is that the fault of the media?
post #43 of 368
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Of course it is reasonable to dig everything about his life, publish taxes he owes (which officials said he probably didn't know about), dig through his divorce papers, mock him on national TV and call him a racist (just happened on Larry King).

That's just great and very reasonable, for a guy who basically asked a question ... whoever confused he is or wrong about the issues ... to a candidate.
Well, yes. But we now know that he was full of shit about A) buying the company, B) how much the company was actually worth, and C) actually being a licensed plumber.

So....if he would've told the truth and had his shit together, there would be no story.
post #44 of 368
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Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
Well, yes. But we now know that he was full of shit about A) buying the company, B) how much the company was actually worth, and C) actually being a licensed plumber.

So....if he would've told the truth and had his shit together, there would be no story.
But no no no, in ElCapitan's world, this guy is a poor pitiful victim.
post #45 of 368
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Yeah... not so much there guys. Nice work though, you've created a martyr and anyone who was sympathetic to Joe Dirt will probably become decidedly McCain.
Fuck you make my head hurt sometimes - not necassarily a rip by the way.

But really, anyone who was sympathetic to him to begin with will ALREADY be 'decidedly McCain'
post #46 of 368
How about if you don't want your skeletons tap-dancing their way out of your closet into the spotlight, you just don't put yourself in a position that will open the closet to begin with?

And if there's anyone to blame here, it'd not the guy that asked the question or the big bad media that would've done exactly the same for anyone else, but candidate that happened to use the confused voter as his own Operation Human Shield.

Still though, I'm rather unsure Joe the Plumber didn't sign off to anything.
post #47 of 368
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But no no no, in ElCapitan's world, this guy is a poor pitiful victim.
He asked a question that should be used to illustrate how this "small business" thing McCain says doesn't really apply to Obama's plan. I don't see any reason to initiate a witch hunt and dig into his personal life to destroy the guy.

Heck, 1 minute after the debate politico.com was saying he wasn't registered to vote (false) and today people were saying he was related to Charles Keating (false too now). Some of these things posted by actual journalists, this is really incredible.
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Fuck you make my head hurt sometimes - not necassarily a rip by the way.

But really, anyone who was sympathetic to him to begin with will ALREADY be 'decidedly McCain'
I'm sympathetic to the guy, not on the issue he raised because he's actually wrong, but on the whole witch hunt aspect of going after people who ask questions of candidates.
post #49 of 368
But really, with the way both campaigns have been run so far, and we're coming into the heated 3rd act now, is Joe really so dumb to not have seen this coming?
post #50 of 368
It's not a "witch hunt against those that ask questions". It's a witch hunt against that one guy that asked that question that was co-opted by the other candidate and transformed into a major point in the debate and campaign. It's entirely fair game.

I doubt Joe didn't sign off for that and if he didn't, and this screws him over, then perhaps he should look into legal alternatives, if any.

Though even if we assume he is 100% innocent "oh my god what are they doing to him", it still doesn't change the fact that he pretty much lied when asking stuff to Obama and was the equivalent of a real life troll. Do you really think he is buying anything?
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