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post #1 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:46am
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Bear found dumped at WCU with Obama signs

CULLOWHEE – A dead bear was found dumped this morning on the Western Carolina University campus, draped with a pair of Obama campaign signs, university police said.

Maintenance workers reported about 7:45 a.m. finding a 75-pound bear cub dumped at the roundabout near the Catamount statute at the entrance to campus, said Tom Johnson, chief of university police.

“It looked like it had been shot in the head as best we can tell. A couple of Obama campaign signs had been stapled together and stuck over its head,” Johnson said.
From the Asheville Citizen Times

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Caledonia man says he regrets his actions with Obama canvasser
By Pete Wicklund
Journal Times
Monday, October 20, 2008 9:37 PM CDT


CORRECTION: In the story below, The Journal Times incorrectly stated the time that the canvasser arrived at the man's home. The correct time is 1:30 p.m. The error has been corrected below.

CALEDONIA — A husband and wife are dealing with emotions of regret and embarrassment, after the husband pulled the hair of an Obama campaign worker during an altercation outside their house Saturday afternoon.

Ronald Goetsch, 71, confirmed on Sunday afternoon that he was the man who pulled the hair of canvasser Nancy Takehara, 58, of Chicago, when the two had a heated verbal exchange on Saturday. The exchange was over alleged voter improprieties in other states and the role of voter registration groups in those situations, Goetsch said.

On Saturday night in a telephone interview with WISN television, Takehara said “he (Goetsch) grabbed me by the back of the neck. I thought he was going to rip my hair out of my head. He was pounding on my head and screaming.”

Goetsch said he did pull the woman’s hair, but denies hitting or slapping her. Takehara did not seek medical attention at the scene of the incident, Caledonia police said in a Saturday press release.

Police said the incident remains under investigation and a report, upon completion, will be forwarded to the Racine County District Attorney’s office for consideration of possible charges. Goetsch had not been arrested as of Sunday.

The police report on the case was not available Sunday afternoon.
From the Journal Times, Racine, WI.
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post #2 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Sarah's been busy!
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post #3 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:00am
There's a lot of disturbing behavior by both sides. Top that off with the report that some people have been sending white powdered letters to chase banks and it equals our ADD populace might be heading for an epic darwin award.
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post #4 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:07am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
There's a lot of disturbing behavior by both sides.
Like...?
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post #5 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:17am
A McCain canvasser in Manhattan was roughed up. Don't ask me what a McCain canvasser was doing in Manhattan. There are crazies on both sides... but only one side goads them on.
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post #6 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
There's a lot of disturbing behavior by both sides.
Oh, Snaieke.




Would you at least concede that Republicans are offering far more examples of why extra-terrestrial cultures are leaving us alone here in this galactic backwater?
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post #7 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
There's a lot of disturbing behavior by both sides. Top that off with the report that some people have been sending white powdered letters to chase banks and it equals our ADD populace might be heading for an epic darwin award.
Maybe so, but how does white powdered letters going to chase banks denote "both sides"? Those could be from anyone. The could even be false flag attacks to garner sympathy (not saying they are, just that it's an unknown - and by the way, how's that FBI investigation into the actual Anthrax attacks going?)

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Originally Posted by myk View Post
A McCain canvasser in Manhattan was roughed up. Don't ask me what a McCain canvasser was doing in Manhattan. There are crazies on both sides... but only one side goads them on.
Myk, do you have a link? I checked google news and got nil. thx.

Also, if we're drawing comparables for "both sides," here are a few more:

Obama hung in effigy in Ohio

"N" word, swastikas spray-painted on Willcox restaurant: "No n----r for president" was spray-painted on this wall.

Early voters heckled by McCain supporters

Tires slashed on 30 vehicles during Obama rally
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post #8 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Oh, Snaieke.




Would you at least concede that Republicans are offering far more examples of why extra-terrestrial cultures are leaving us alone here in this galactic backwater?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZkg-snbFE (only for the audio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4
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post #9 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Maybe so, but how does white powdered letters going to chase banks denote "both sides"? Those could be from anyone. The could even be false flag attacks to garner sympathy (not saying they are, just that it's an unknown - and by the way, how's that FBI investigation into the actual Anthrax attacks going?)
It's not refering blue or red. It's about the level of hate in this country. It's sad.

You got McCain supports calling people "arabs", Muslims and terrorists and you got Obama supporters calling everyone racist and what not. It's not good.

You take the hate and the bad economic times and you got an inferno. A guy up in CT just recently threatened to do some bad stuff to a bank and got arrested.
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post #10 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
You got McCain supports calling people "arabs", Muslims and terrorists and you got Obama supporters calling everyone racist and what not. It's not good.
Everyone? No. Just the people who are. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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post #11 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
You got McCain supports calling people "arabs", Muslims and terrorists and you got Obama supporters calling everyone racist and what not. It's not good.
So you have one side being racist and the other side calling them racist, and that somehow evens out? This is to logic what the Hostel franchise is to backpacking.
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post #12 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:48am
Don't forget "and what not". That can sting.
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post #13 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
It's not refering blue or red. It's about the level of hate in this country. It's sad.

You got McCain supports calling people "arabs", Muslims and terrorists and you got Obama supporters calling everyone racist and what not. It's not good.
Hang on... Obama supporters aren't calling everyone racist and whatnot; they're calling the McCain supporters who call Obama "terrorist" and "Arab" and saying things like "kill him" etc racist and dangerously hate-filled. If someone vomits and the person standing next to him says the guy is sick, that's based on observation.

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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
You take the hate and the bad economic times and you got an inferno. A guy up in CT just recently threatened to do some bad stuff to a bank and got arrested.
Agree. That was very like the climate during the rise of Hitler. When people are desperate, hungry and fearful, it's easy for a leader to point the finger at something or someone (muslims, arabs, pallers around with terrorists, people with arab-sounding middle names, "the illegals," etc) as the cause and the angry mob is born.

What I will not accept is that this hate you're talking about is on both sides. McCain and Palin are evidently giving these people permission to voice their most ignorant and dangerous judgments, and society at large (including the left) is recoiling.
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post #14 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Snaieke, I'll see that one and raise you...well, I'm fresh out of coins, so you'll have to take these two slugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHvJRXMKO0&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0qHAsy9vE&
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post #15 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:50am
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myk, do you have a link? I checked google news and got nil. thx.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...lt_on_Lex.html

I should have mentioned that it took place on Lexington. Much easier to google.

Comparing Obama crazies to McCain crazies doesn't work because all of the evidence showing that there are more McCain crazies comes from the liberal media elite. See how nefarious that is.

And, to be fair, crazy Obama effigy guy got the idea from the Obama supporter who put McCain in a KKK outfit and had him chasing Obama with (I think) a knife.
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post #16 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:55am
adding a little fuel to the fire, courtesy of Ted Rall

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post #17 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Snaieke, I'll see that one and raise you...well, I'm fresh out of coins, so you'll have to take these two slugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHvJRXMKO0&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0qHAsy9vE&
That first one would be much mroe effective without the Journey t-shirt.
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post #18 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...lt_on_Lex.html

I should have mentioned that it took place on Lexington. Much easier to google.
Well, obviously that's terrible and wrong.

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Comparing Obama crazies to McCain crazies doesn't work because all of the evidence showing that there are more McCain crazies comes from the liberal media elite. See how nefarious that is.
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not...

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Originally Posted by myk View Post
And, to be fair, crazy Obama effigy guy got the idea from the Obama supporter who put McCain in a KKK outfit and had him chasing Obama with (I think) a knife.
Even if that's true, I'm sure you can see that there's a huge difference in the intent. (Not that I think the KKK thing is cool)
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post #19 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not...

Even if that's true, I'm sure you can see that there's a huge difference in the intent. (Not that I think the KKK thing is cool)
I was indeed being facetious, but that is the conservative trump card. The liberal media is the argument ender.

According to the expanded segment from the local TV station on the effigy thing, the guy did get the idea from the KKK thing. Whoever put up that KKK thing was making Snaieke right. A greater transgression I can not imagine.
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post #20 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Snaieke, I'll see that one and raise you...well, I'm fresh out of coins, so you'll have to take these two slugs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHvJRXMKO0&
This guy grow up watching nothing but Star Trek: TOS?

Freak shoooooow
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post #21 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Even if that's true, I'm sure you can see that there's a huge difference in the intent. (Not that I think the KKK thing is cool)
No, judging from the video dude's obviously a White Supremacist (capitalized for Hitler's pleasure!).

There's a Star of David drawn on top of the "ghost"s head, and the "SS" in "Hussain" are drawn in the style of...well..the SS.
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post #22 of 226
10/21/08 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
There's a lot of disturbing behavior by both sides. Top that off with the report that some people have been sending white powdered letters to chase banks and it equals our ADD populace might be heading for an epic darwin award.
Those WaMu shareholders are taking this hard, apparently.
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post #23 of 226
10/21/08 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by The Closer View Post
Those WaMu shareholders are taking this hard, apparently.
It was probably Citigroup Exec's. They're pissy!
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post #24 of 226
10/21/08 at 11:58am
Just to "even" things out a bit more;

Police Launch Investigation to Catch Palin Protestors
http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31662839.html

(video) http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31431154.html

Really bad security procedures btw.
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post #25 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Just to "even" things out a bit more;

Police Launch Investigation to Catch Palin Protestors
http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31662839.html

(video) http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31431154.html

Really bad security procedures btw.

Sorry but that does not compare. At all!
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post #26 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:11pm
This one is not violent, but pretty shameless;
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10...te-was-stolen/
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post #27 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Just to "even" things out a bit more;

Police Launch Investigation to Catch Palin Protestors
http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31662839.html

(video) http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/31431154.html

Really bad security procedures btw.
I'm sure that unlike any number of people with a clearly declared intention of shooting Barack Obama, these anti-Palin jaywalking people represent a clear and present danger to the well being of our nation and require swift apprehension and punishment to the full extent of the law.

Following the links, the police are asking for people who have video of the incident to send it in. Funny shit coming from the same people eager to snatch and or smash every camera they can when they're the ones caught on tape fucking up. And you want me to help you catch people protesting Palin? Eat a bowl of dick.
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post #28 of 226
10/21/08 at 12:29pm
OoO a dick-off!

Here is the difference, it is fundamental and key:

the McCain campaign is appealing to this sort of hateful behavior in it's rallies and stump speeches. Any time Obama's name comes up, he is a 'socialist' who will 'redistribute the wealth.' The people boo, hiss, and scream. This isn't news; it is plain and apparent. You are an idiot if you think there isn't a connection between the mob mentality being exploited for political opportunity and the way some people are expressing their hatred of Obama and the Democratic party throughout America.

Yes, there is unacceptable behavior on both sides. No, it is not equivocal. McCain's stump speech has time built into his pauses to soak up the anger and vitriol. What is being screamed out at his rallies does not equate to what is being said at Obama's rallies (what: Yes We Can?). I thought relativism had been discredited.
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post #29 of 226
10/21/08 at 1:09pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2kaV1ANrk
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post #30 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:02pm
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Too bad about Family Guy failing at the whole humor thing.
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post #31 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:12pm
The problem is that by Obama being black and all, that racists are going to flock to McCain because they are racists. And there are racists in America. Therefore McCain is supported by racists, inarguably. Just as it is likely that Obama is supported by Muslims. That's just gonna happen. Not that I'm suggesting there's an equality there.

The problem is that McCain and Palin are happy to stoke the fires, and they know they are doing this. Earlier today he said he wanted the full story on Ayres and Obama's relationship. Which Obama told him at the debates. He wants a full story that's already been told.
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post #32 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
Earlier today he said he wanted the full story on Ayres and Obama's relationship. Which Obama told him at the debates. He wants a full story that's already been told.

"I'm not gonna stop beating this dead horse until Obama admits he wants to blow up national monuments with his bff Ayers!"
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post #33 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:40pm
Last Saturday when the Palin rap had the line "When I say Obama, you say Ayers!" I was momentarily offended and thought, "Oh great, Jim Downey strikes again," but then I remembered to say "Fuck it, let 'em have it." Every day that McCain-Palin tries to plug the William Ayers line, it gains no traction. It's totally ineffective and may even be backfiring. But with 14 days left, they're still making it the centerpiece in their argument against Obama. And if that's how they want to lose this election, by all means, I'm not going to stop them.
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post #34 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:45pm
Voting shennanigans or just plain stupidity? You decide ...
http://www.taylordailypress.net/arti...ews/news03.txt


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Problems at polls

By Philip Jankowski
Campaigns allege voter misinformation

Early voting began Monday with Democrats crying foul over what some county party officials are calling misinformation on voting procedures.
Officials from the campaigns of two candidates called advice from Williamson County Elections Administrator Rick Barron unsound.

According to party officials, a voter contacted the county Democratic Party after examining information Barron had circulated via e-mail concerning a straight ticket vote.

“A voter can vote straight party and have all of their votes count,” the e-mail states. “They can also vote straight party and then select every Democrat again, if they so chose.”

According to campaign officials, when an east Williamson County voter voted using electronic machines, she selected a straight party ticket, effectively selecting each Democrat on the ballot. She then went back and selected a Democrat’s name again. By doing so, it unchecked that selection, according to a release from one of the campaigns.

Braden T. Frame, campaign manager for county attorney candidate Jaime Lynn, stopped short of calling the mix-up politically motivated.

“I’d like to think that it was just incomplete info,” Frame said. “It directly conflicted what the Texas Democratic Party was sending out.”

The initial concern came over erroneous information some Democrats think was intended to cost presidential candidate Barack Obama votes. Misinformation has been circulated stating that to vote a straight party ticket and have a vote for Obama count, the voter would need to select Obama’s name again. In fact, by doing that the voter would take a vote away from Obama.

Any race left unchecked will prompt a verification screen when using an electronic voting machine, Barron said.

“This has totally gotten out of hand,” Barron said. “The bottom line is, if you want to vote straight Democratic Party, vote straight party. When you get to the review screen, you’re going to see that no selection was made in some cases, and that’s because the Democrats don’t have a candidate in every race.”
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post #35 of 226
10/21/08 at 2:47pm
Cap's like a fucking RSS feed.
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post #36 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:01pm
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ElCap, there's another thread for voting shenanigans because they are cropping up everywhere.

But meanwhile, do not vote "straight party" -- your vote will not be counted.

Also, if you vote on a voting machine and you have to insert multiple slips of paper, make sure you press a button in between each slip. Or your vote will not be counted.

I'm filling out my absentee ballot today. w00t! (if there are any California chewers out there who want to see the recommendations of the lefty newsletter I get and trust, PM me).
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post #37 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Voting shennanigans or just plain stupidity? You decide ...
http://www.taylordailypress.net/arti...ews/news03.txt
Both. it reminds me of Captain Amazing's death in Mystery Men.
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post #38 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:04pm
Obama/Biden campaign sign stolen, replaced with Confederate flag.
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post #39 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:04pm
Noted, I was bundling voter irregularities with this one ... sorry.
I guess some people need a [vote straight] party option too I guess. *sigh*
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post #40 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
But meanwhile, do not vote "straight party" -- your vote will not be counted.
Oh, come on.
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post #41 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:08pm
More sign stealing craziness;
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2...6057254&page=1

In one instance somebody put a camera and posted the video on YouTube!
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post #42 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:14pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQQaWReMYc

This is the youtube video which is done pretty poorly but the video itself is funny. I like the bra readjustment before the theft.
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post #43 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:17pm
And ended up bolting the signs, lol.
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post #44 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg View Post
Last Saturday when the Palin rap had the line "When I say Obama, you say Ayers!" I was momentarily offended and thought, "Oh great, Jim Downey strikes again," but then I remembered to say "Fuck it, let 'em have it."
Given the nature of the rest of the song, I kind of took that as a knock on the broken record nature of Palin's talking points than an actual comment on the Obama/Ayers relationship.

I mean, it would be different if someone had been shouting that line at a McCain or Palin rally, but I don't think Downey, Poehler, or anyone on SNL were trying to further tie Obama to Ayers.
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post #45 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:23pm
These guys were lucky they didn't end up burning the house;

YouTube: Molotov cocktails vs McCain sign
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post #46 of 226
10/21/08 at 3:32pm
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"This occurs about every four years," said Lucy Caldwell, public information officer for the Fairfax County, Va., police department, who said her department is getting more than 10 reports a day of campaign signs being stolen or defaced.
Funny how that works.
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post #47 of 226
10/22/08 at 1:30am
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Ohio Secretary of State Site Hacked!







(these and more are all from 4chan btw)
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post #48 of 226
10/22/08 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by James Kimbell View Post
Oh, come on.
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THE PROBLEM: “Straight party voting” on voting machines is revealing a bad pattern of miscounting and omitting your vote, especially if you are a Democrat. Most recently (Oct. 2008), a firm called Automated Election Services was found to have mis-coded the system in heavily Democratic Santa Fe County, New Mexico such that straight party voters would not have the presidential vote counted.

STRAIGHT PARTY VOTING is allowed in 15 states. Basically, it means that you can take a shortcut to actually looking at who you are voting for and instead just select a party preference. Then the voting machine makes your candidate choices, supposedly for the party you requested…

HOW TO PROTECT THE COUNT against Straight Party Trap:

1) NEVER CHOOSE THE STRAIGHT PARTY VOTE OPTION, because it alerts the computer as to your party preference and allows software code to trigger whatever function the programmer has designed.
2) SEND THIS INFORMATION OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, blog it, root n’ toot it out there to get the word out.
3) ESPECIALLY GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE IN THE FOLLOWING STATES, which have straight party voting options:
Alabama, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin
4) DEMAND COMPLETE AND CAREFUL TESTING OF THE STRAIGHT PARTY OPTION IN LOGIC AND ACCURACY TESTS.
5) LOOK FOR UNDERVOTES (high profile races with lower-than-average number of votes cast) and flag them, post them, bring them to the attention of others for additional scrutiny.

Details, links to documents, news stories, more specifics here: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/mess...954/78367.html

Voting machine miscounts of straight party votes were proven by California researcher Judy Alter in the 2004 New Mexico presidential election; in Alabama Democrat straight party votes were caught going to a Republican, and Wisconsin a whole slew of straight party votes disappeared altogether. Both DRE and optical scan machines are vulnerable. Private contractors are involved; private firms like LHS Associates, Automated Election Services, Harp Enterprises, Casto & Harris and others will program almost all systems in the USA this November. ES&S scanners were involved in examples cited, but Diebold has also issued a cryptic Product Advisory Notice in 2006 about unexpected results from certain Straight Party option programming practices.
More here
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post #49 of 226
10/22/08 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Ohio Secretary of State Site Hacked!



these and more are all from 4chan btw)
I don't get it, they hacked the site and put these "jokes"?
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post #50 of 226
10/22/08 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I don't get it, they hacked the site and put these "jokes"?
No, the pics have nothing to do with the story, I just posted them because they're funny while the Secretary of State story is ridiculously horrifying.
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