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When is the first attempt on Obama's life?

post #1 of 240
10/25/08 at 3:45pm
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Watching this McCain supporters talking about Obama as 'anti-American' and a terrorist it becomes obvious that these people have convinced themselves that Obama isn't just a bad choice for president but a real and serious threat to America. Republicans essentially believe he's a sleeper agent.

So it seems not just likely but totally inevitable that somebody's going to try and kill him. When? In the final days of the campaign? After he wins? After he is sworn in? During his first term?
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post #2 of 240
10/25/08 at 3:51pm
Well, there was already the "plot" to kill him during his nomination speech at the convention. Worst case scenario would be between now and the election, nightmare scenario would be Nov. 4th or 5th (which has an extreme likelyhood of not happening, but still). I think the most realistic scenario if he wins is either before the inauguration or before the end of the first term. The latter is predicated on his policies, though, and if the "case can be made" that his detractors were right, that he's a socialist or a terrorist or Muslim or whatever.

And for all the government employees tuning in: "Why don't you read the main page?"
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post #3 of 240
10/25/08 at 3:54pm
I absolutely do NOT want anything to happen, but I have the undeniable feeling that some random trailer-park nutjob is going to have delusions of race-savior grandeur and take a shot at him eventually.

I'm torn between "after he wins" and "during his first term", sadly. There are some real fucking hateful psychos out there, and combining that with the militant white supremacist movement only makes the equation that much more dangerous for Obama. For anyone to deny that would be less than stupid - it would be subhuman.
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post #4 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:17pm
If he survives the first year, then we'll be ok. The nutjobs will realize he's not a terrorist and stop trying. I hope.
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post #5 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:18pm
Nice FBI baiting thread.
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post #6 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:22pm
While an attempt on Obama's life is obviously not unlikely, I have a feeling that they'll be more on the level of the crazy crackers who were arrested in Colorado--they'll be stopped on their way to the airport or whatever. Most of the people who would take a shot at Obama are too stupid to be effective.
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post #7 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:24pm
Hahaha, I love Snaieke's endless barrage of douchebaggery today. It's like Christmas, but with more swollen, aching, pulsating rectum.

So it's like Christmas at my uncle's trailer.

Off to go have fun and laugh and live and not lose my shit any more. I'm trying to stay as Zen as possible until Nov. 4th, but still not holding out too much hope.
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post #8 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:24pm
I posted about this in the election megathread earlier today. It's going to be a stressful 4 years, to be sure.

I get really nervous every time he has a rally. It's always in the back of my mind when I'm watching one live on TV. It's awful that we seriously have to worry about this in the twenty first century.
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post #9 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
While an attempt on Obama's life is obviously not unlikely, I have a feeling that they'll be more on the level of the crazy crackers who were arrested in Colorado--they'll be stopped on their way to the airport or whatever. Most of the people who would take a shot at Obama are too stupid to be effective.
But most assassination attempts aren't carried out by professional hitmen carrying sniper rifles, are they?

Look at Reagan, Pope John Paul II, 2 x Gandhi, Robert Kennedy, Benazir Butto ... Crazies or organisations striking in a huge crowd seems to be a fairly effective way of doing it. And sadly, often very difficult to stop.
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post #10 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:36pm
don't forget, they've all been liberals
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post #11 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:38pm
There was a chance of it happening in Dallas when Secret Service stopped scanning people on the way in for guns. I kid you not. Dallas. I have a feeling Obama's Secret Service detail is crazy in its size and complexity so I think he's going to be fine. Still, I get a little nervous when he speaks in front of large crowds. Every. Fucking. Time.
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post #12 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:39pm
I know that when I think liberal, I think Reagan and George Wallace.
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post #13 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:39pm
Democrats just make movies about assassinating a President, crazy nut job Republicans might actually do it.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been any real attempt yet. If it happens, someone will have to kill GWB for good measure.
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post #14 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
I know that when I think liberal, I think Reagan and George Wallace.
I think he's saying it's liberals that do the assassinating.
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post #15 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:50pm
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Yeah, John Wilkes Booth was a real liberal. Snaieke, you're a retard.
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post #16 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:52pm
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And I bet Snaieke has pictures of James Earl Ray hanging in his living room. Seriously, why does this guy bother?
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post #17 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Stupid.
Which is to say dumb.
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post #18 of 240
10/25/08 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Yeah, John Wilkes Booth was a real liberal. Snaieke, you're a retard.
He's not a retard, he's an equivocator. He's worse.
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post #19 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:14pm
Snaieke's an interesting guy. Wife left his ass, he's worried about rape laws in Maryland affecting him (here's a hint, Snaieke, if you're in Maryland fucking someone, it's either rape or there's money on the counter), and he's been proven wrong consistently over and over. He rarely discusses films (to be fair, in the past couple of months I haven't done it as much as I'd like but after 11/4 I'm coming back in a big way) and he's basically here to stir up shit. Any attacks on his credibility, his personal life, and his politics are blessed by God (if there was one).

As far as Obama goes, I'm actually optimistic that nothing will happen. I think if he wins it's going to be a good time for America and no one will want to fuck that up. That's just me.
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post #20 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:14pm
I say one half-assed attempt before inauguration if he wins, one serious attempt after inauguration. I'd lay money on the odds that he's at least winged during his first term, but I'd say the odds are 3:1 for him surviving his first term (and if there's no significant improvement in the nation in 4 years, his only term).
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post #21 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:15pm
Not to hijack the thread from Devin's question (for the record, if he makes it to his first State Of The Union address, I'll loosen my sphincter about anything happening. Not a minute before.), but I'm equally worried about what kind of country we're looking at should someone succeed at the unthinkable.
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post #22 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:19pm
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Not to hijack the thread from Devin's question (for the record, if he makes it to his first State Of The Union address, I'll loosen my sphincter about anything happening. Not a minute before.), but I'm equally worried about what kind of country we're looking at should someone succeed at the unthinkable.
I don't think Biden would make a terrible President, honestly. It's certainly not the spectre that McCain getting elected and dying is.
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[Snaieke's] not a retard, he's an equivocator. He's worse.
He can be both. In fact, he's quite effective at it.
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post #23 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:20pm
I honestly don't think an attempt will be made on Obama's life while he's in office.

But if the Pittsburgh Penguins make it to the Stanley Cup Finals and Pennsylvania-born Joe Biden decides to attend Game 7 I believe he is in grave danger.
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post #24 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:23pm
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but I'm equally worried about what kind of country we're looking at should someone succeed at the unthinkable.
Would it be so much different from the aftermath of the JFK assassination? He was both hated and loved by many, and the Country continued on despite it all (Biden will make a fine 4-year President). In a way, though, I can see how it will be different because people are more divisive (at least in public or on the internet), and this may be the straw that breaks the camels back in a Country that's literally split down the middle in how it's people think the Government should be run, and also in various lifestyle choices. I hate to say it would be interesting, because that's definitely the wrong word to use, but you gotta wonder what would happen in that situation.
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post #25 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:23pm
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I don't think Biden would make a terrible President, honestly. It's certainly not the spectre that McCain getting elected and dying is.
I think he was talking more about social unrest (possibly violence), tons of finger pointing, and everything generally going to shit if it happened.
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post #26 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:24pm
I also think we need to define "attempt". Are we talking about someone actually getting a shot off? Actually hitting him? I think there will almost certainly be incidents of people getting caught with guns at Obama's public appearances, and quickly whisked away, hopefully never to be seen by human eyes again. If the intent was there, it's an attempt.
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post #27 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:28pm
If it does occur there's a very good chance the moment will be seen by millions in super-crisp high definition.
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post #28 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:30pm
I think the general consensus is attempt involves taking a shot, whether it hits him or not.

I honestly don't know what would happen to the country if he was assassinated, except that there would definitely be riots on a nationwide scale. I'd be a lot more comfortable with Biden as President than Palin, obviously. I think the biggest repercussion from an Obama assassination is that America's reputation on the global scale would pretty much be done.
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post #29 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by Eyeball Kid View Post
I get really nervous every time he has a rally. It's always in the back of my mind when I'm watching one live on TV. It's awful that we seriously have to worry about this in the twenty first century.
Same here. I'd say sometime during his first term. If I were him I'd be on edge all the time.
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post #30 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:36pm
Sidebar: If a serious attempt is made before Nov. 4, how will it affect voting? Will people be afraid to vote for Obama because they see him as a marked man and don't want to deal with the national trauma if another attempt succeeds? Or will it generate solidarity on all sides and unify even more voters behind him, Ozymandias-style? Both? Neither? What say you?
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post #31 of 240
10/25/08 at 5:37pm
I think Obama always knows that it's a possibility -- that anyone who makes up their mind to kill a president or candidate can -- but he doesn't have the fatalism and darkness of the Kennedy brothers or Martin Luther King when it comes to the subject.
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post #32 of 240
10/25/08 at 7:26pm
I don't know if the mentalities of racists and presidential assassins have a whole lot in common with each other. Certainly there are a lot of people who hate Obama because he's black, but the willingness to do the unthinkable is just an entirely separate psychosis. So I don't think Obama is that much more likely to experience a serious attempt on his life than any other president. Which is still pretty likely, unfortunately. If anything, I think his hypothetical popularity would put him in more danger than his race. And if someone does make an attempt on his life, they're at least as likely to have done it for Jodie Foster than for white power.
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post #33 of 240
10/25/08 at 8:45pm
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I don't know if the mentalities of racists and presidential assassins have a whole lot in common with each other. Certainly there are a lot of people who hate Obama because he's black, but the willingness to do the unthinkable is just an entirely separate psychosis. So I don't think Obama is that much more likely to experience a serious attempt on his life than any other president. Which is still pretty likely, unfortunately. If anything, I think his hypothetical popularity would put him in more danger than his race. And if someone does make an attempt on his life, they're at least as likely to have done it for Jodie Foster than for white power.
It isn't just the fact that he's black, it's the fact that a huge number of people out there belive he's a black socialist muslim that may or may not be the Anti-Christ. You're trying to seperate it into racists and crazies when the reality is that you're dealing with crazy racists.

If someone does it, it won't be because he's black. It'll be because they believe he's an agent of Satan, he wants America to be a communist country, and he secretly works for Al-Qaeda. And, as we've seen, there are no shortage of these people.
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post #34 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:21pm
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If someone does it, it won't be because he's black. It'll be because they believe he's an agent of Satan, he wants America to be a communist country, and he secretly works for Al-Qaeda. And, as we've seen, there are no shortage of these people.
With the exception of the socialism angle, which is something almost every liberal politician hears from conservatives, all the other fears are based on his racial background. I do think being a liberal is an important part of this crazy conspiracy cocktail, though. If there was a black Republican candidate, I don't think he'd be in nearly the same amount of danger.
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post #35 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:27pm
If McCain loses, he has one chance to heal the wounds his campaign has created and that's to give a concession speech that tries to calm the beast. To not just say "Oh, he ran a great campaign," but that Obama is a good man, will be a good President, and that it's time for the emotions of a heated campaign season to fade and give way to real unity.
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post #36 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:29pm
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I think the biggest repercussion from an Obama assassination is that America's reputation on the global scale would pretty much be done.
I would also add that it would absolutely destroy American morale. So many Obama supporters aren't simply Anti-McCain or even Anti-Bush. They really like Obama and they've worked hard to try and get him elected. That all their hopes and dreams for a president can simply be destroyed by a sniper's bullet makes you wonder, "Why bother?"
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post #37 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:30pm
But, as has been mentioned, this anti-Obama sentiment isn't coming from a particularly strong desire to elect McCain. It's coming from a place of ignorance and fear. I don't think they'll give a damn what McCain says.
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post #38 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:32pm
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With the exception of the socialism angle, which is something almost every liberal politician hears from conservatives, all the other fears are based on his racial background. I do think being a liberal is an important part of this crazy conspiracy cocktail, though. If there was a black Republican candidate, I don't think he'd be in nearly the same amount of danger.
My broader point was that, on top of being a black President, he would have to deal with all those other things as well. And it's a combination that brings out the crazies.

Actually, if anything, more than being black I firmly believe it's the "He's a muslim!" camp that's the most likely to produce someone that would do this, with the "He's the anti-christ" camp being a close second.

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If McCain loses, he has one chance to heal the wounds his campaign has created and that's to give a concession speech that tries to calm the beast. To not just say "Oh, he ran a great campaign," but that Obama is a good man, will be a good President, and that it's time for the emotions of a heated campaign season to fade and give way to real unity.
McCain has already demonstrated a total inability to control the monster he unleashed. He's irrelevant. But beyond even that, this isn't really about politics. The things people hate Obama for aren't policy issues, they're far more insane than that.
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post #39 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:39pm
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Actually, if anything, more than being black I firmly believe it's the "He's a muslim!" camp that's the most likely to produce someone that would do this, with the "He's the anti-christ" camp being a close second.
They think those things because he's black.
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post #40 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:42pm
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They think those things because he's black.
They think those things because his name is Barack Hussein Obama. If he was a black guy named Joe Smith who had a father from Gary, Indiana, there wouldn't be nearly the fucking lunacy.
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post #41 of 240
10/25/08 at 9:51pm
If he had a different background, but was still a black liberal, they'd be coming up with different conspiracy theories. Joe Smith's dad's brother-in-law's best friend was friends with a member of the Black Panthers, and one time in college he said he wanted to be the next Stokely Carmichael, so obviously he hates America. Or something like that. They're using what they've got.
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post #42 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:01pm
The crazy Muslim/socialist/"he-he's an Arab" shit is all to rationalize hating the black guy.

Hey, why weren't they afraid of this insidious Muslimness when he was in the US sentate?
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post #43 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:14pm
The straight answer to Devin's question is: I'm sure there have already been multiple attempts that have failed or been stopped by the Secret Service FBi etc.

My smartass answer is that the Secret Service only need focus on McCain rallys to stop potential assassins

If the worst happened and Obama were murdered, I think the US would be done. Not being melodramatic. With the economic crisis, potenital for world crises of the economic and political variety, without a strong leader (which Obama is) we are just done.

And if it happened prior to Nov 4, I think the attention would go to Sarah Palin's incendiary comments and she would be hounded out of the country.
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post #44 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:31pm
If Obama wins and gets killed I'll probably leave this likely-to-be-fucked country.
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post #45 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:40pm
This is pretty much what prevented Colin Powell from running in '96.
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post #46 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:53pm
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This is pretty much what prevented Colin Powell from running in '96.
What? Link, please!
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post #47 of 240
10/25/08 at 10:57pm
It's been stated many times that Powell's wife was in fear of him getting killed while campaigning. She also did not want to put the family through the media wringer.

It's even mentioned in this NY Times piece.
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post #48 of 240
10/25/08 at 11:42pm
I hate that this fucking thread even exists.

What more can I add, other than it will be the 800 lb. gorilla in the room for the next 4 to 8 years. I will never feel comfortable watching his speeches.

Agree with some of the others that keeping our passports updated may be a good idea. I hear Belgium is nice.
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post #49 of 240
10/25/08 at 11:58pm
No one will kill Obama. Even the most insane people in this country are apathetic. The vast majority of the people who are mouthing off against Obama won't even show up to vote....just like most of the people who call themselves Obama supporters.

Additionally - Moltisanti...that RULED.
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post #50 of 240
10/26/08 at 12:30am
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Agree with some of the others that keeping our passports updated may be a good idea. I hear Belgium is nice.
Sydney for me, my friend.
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