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post #51 of 63
10/29/08 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Wait....you're serious?

Who the fuck else thinks NCLB did a lot of good for our educational system?
Reread Muharulz's original post. He's knocking down NCLB. Perhaps for different reasons, but the general thrust is that teaching to the test is demoralizing to the pursuit of higher learning.
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post #52 of 63
10/29/08 at 11:13pm
Dammit my bad I thought you quoted Snaieke. I blame beer and the Phillies winning the championship.
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post #53 of 63
10/29/08 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Reread Muharulz's original post. He's knocking down NCLB. Perhaps for different reasons, but the general thrust is that teaching to the test is demoralizing to the pursuit of higher learning.
I'm glad they didn't fully fund NCLB. If they would have a lot more school districts would have had to spend more money to purge themselves of that worthless bill.
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post #54 of 63
10/29/08 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Who the fuck else thinks NCLB did a lot of good for our educational system?
Ignorant people?
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post #55 of 63
10/29/08 at 11:36pm
Nixon also created the EPA, despite what has been done since then too it his heart was good as far as that goes.
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post #56 of 63
10/30/08 at 12:08am
Nixon was a paranoid, tremendously flawed individual whose dangerous lust for power was motivated by at least a sense (misguided as it was and often times evil) of what he thougtht to be the greatest good.

Nixon was an intelligent man of humble origin who scratched and clawed his way in politics to the top only to fall very hard (almost taking the American democracy with him) never understanding why people didn't like him-why he wasn't good enough.

None of this excuses his acts nor absolves him of his crimes but I'd still take him over that frat boy, silver spoon fed dullard Bush.
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post #57 of 63
10/30/08 at 12:09am
Trying to name the worst president is certainly a fun parlor game but ultimately it all is a matter of conjecture. Buchanan, GWB, Pierce, Hoover, Grant, Harding, and Fillmore, each of those names have made the top of the list as "Worst" presidents in American history in pieces and articles i've read over the years.

When former Nixon counsel John Dean was asked about GWB (whom Dean has been very critical of) being the worst pres. he said that how the country is effected over subsequent administrations is how we should determine whether a president was the worst. By that criteria then Buchanan would be the worst as it was under his admin. that the country was plunged into the Civil War and thus 600,000+ Americans dead.
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post #58 of 63
10/30/08 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post

When former Nixon counsel John Dean was asked about GWB (whom Dean has been very critical of) being the worst pres. he said that how the country is effected over subsequent administrations is how we should determine whether a president was the worst. By that criteria then Buchanan would be the worst as it was under his admin. that the country was plunged into the Civil War and thus 600,000+ Americans dead.
It's nice to know that when history is taken into account it always comes down to who killed the most white people first and foremost.
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post #59 of 63
10/30/08 at 12:28am
Easy answer--George W Bush is the worst foreign policy president in U.S. history. And he's certainly no great shakes domestically.

James Buchanan didn't cause the Civil War--he sure as hell didn't do anything to prevent it, but you could say the exact same thing about the previous presidents. Buchanan was the most meaningless president we've ever had (unless you count poor William Harrison, but that would be pretty cruel), but from a global point-of-view, W is clearly the biggest fuck-up.

Andrew Johnson gets lumped into Worst Presidents lists unfairly. He got trashed by Congress for continuing on with the same post-war policies Lincoln was planning before he was killed.
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post #60 of 63
10/30/08 at 12:40am
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It's nice to know that when history is taken into account it always comes down to who killed the most white people first and foremost.
If you mean to say that I was only concerned about how many white men died you're incorrect. I meant Buchanan as the worst president as it pertains to his place in the American presidency. Technical the title of who killed off the most Native Americans well, that would probably go to Spain as they essentially wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas over a span of about 1.5 centuries.
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post #61 of 63
10/30/08 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by NoahtheStud View Post
I just think we should just stick to blaming him for things that we know he is directly responsible for (there is plenty) instead of trying to blame him for things out of his control like a Category 5 Hurricane directly striking a city that is sitting below sea-level.
Given that he ran in 2004 as the guy you want in charge when shit hits the fan, I think it's entirely fair to blame him for not doing better. I also don't have a lot of charity in my heart for people (and this includes LA politicians) who try to tell me that HURRICANE SEASON is something that could not possibly be anticipated.

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Stupid
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
If you mean to say that I was only concerned about how many white men died you're incorrect. I meant Buchanan as the worst president as it pertains to his place in the American presidency. Technical the title of who killed off the most Native Americans well, that would probably go to Spain as they essentially wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas over a span of about 1.5 centuries.
Spain is not, and should never be, in the running for worst president of the United States. Joey Stalin does not excuse Joey Dahmer and Resident Evil: Apocalypse does not excuse Resident Evil: Extinction. We should be worried about how to improve our country first, and how to fix up others later.

But I guess it's a bit late for that viewpoint.
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post #62 of 63
11/1/08 at 2:54pm
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But it was. The anti-slavery framers of the Constitution warned about it almost a hundred years before.
This true the civil war was a long time in coming. There are so many bad presidents.

I would say that at least 50% of all presidents are bad presidents, and at least 40% are do nothing presidents. The list that should count is the good presidents, it a very short list.
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post #63 of 63
11/1/08 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Dax View Post
Easy answer--George W Bush is the worst foreign policy president in U.S. history. And he's certainly no great shakes domestically.

James Buchanan didn't cause the Civil War--he sure as hell didn't do anything to prevent it, but you could say the exact same thing about the previous presidents. Buchanan was the most meaningless president we've ever had (unless you count poor William Harrison, but that would be pretty cruel), but from a global point-of-view, W is clearly the biggest fuck-up.

Andrew Johnson gets lumped into Worst Presidents lists unfairly. He got trashed by Congress for continuing on with the same post-war policies Lincoln was planning before he was killed.
Woodrow Wilson is the president with the worse foreign policy WW1, Versailles Treaty, and league of Nations. His policy help lead the way to WWII. In WWI 116,708 Americans and 416,800 died in WWII. If the US had not entered the war in 1917 WWII would not have happen. If Wilson had not been so hot for his League of nations, the Versailles Treaty would not have been so had on Germany. In oder to make his League happen he let France butcher Germany. In the end the League of nations was the worse boondoggle in US foreign policies ever.
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