Least Favorite Democrats

Well, that will likely stir up a hornet's nest, but in the interest of remaining on topic...

Mary Landrieu.

She's ranked as one of the top 20 most corrupt members of Congress (not shocking, really. She's a Louisiana politician and no one in this country does corrupt, dirty politics like we do. It's a cultural tradition!), has earmarked money for companies and programs that supported her campaign, and she broke ranks with her party to help pass the Patriot Act.

Also, one of my cousins was roomates with her at LSU and has not a single good thing to say about her. But that probably doesn't matter.

Lautenberg.

Die already.

Honestly, most members of Congress are crap at the moment - it may be easier to list the good ones. I'd start that list with Barney Frank.

I'd just as soon see Murtha lose this election. Charlie Rangel is another one I'm kind of tired of defending.

Shit, man. Talk about getting ahead of ourselves.

No, it isn't. The bankruptcy bill will only affect you if you declare bankruptcy, the reasons for why you have to declare bankruptcy have nothing to do with Biden. You can blame Bush and his fellow cronies for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pryor

I love this guy's commercials. They basically say Mark Pryor is a Democrat who is "downright conservative" on: the economy, family values, energy, border security, the second amendment, defense, blah, blah blah. Fuck you, just run as a Republican.

Murtha, he openly brags about the wasteful pork he brings in.

I can say that most of the Democrats in control of this State have done absolutely nothing to fix it after the shittiness of the Whitman Administration, and in some cases have made it even worse. It's incredibly frustrating. It doesn't matter what party you're in, if you're Governor of this State, I think it's a requirement that you be a moron.

Corzine, McGreevey, Codey, thanks for nothing.

You've been listening to too many Palin interviews. THE VP JUST BREAKS TIES.

Seriously, Biden?? He's been passionate and entertaining as VP. And even though I dislike his voting for the bankrupcy bill, as a whole he has been a big plus for the ticket. Obama would not be doing as well without him. And his quotables are mostly great.

I'll take a pol who says too much occasionally but answers the question honestly and forcefully, over one who dodges and says nothing or resorts to the same old talking points right away. Those are the kinds of Democrats we could use less of.

Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Ed Rendell, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Robert Wexler, etc. etc. etc.

Pelosi is utterly worthless. And does Joe Lieberman still count?

Pelosi is an unbelievable disappointment. And no, Lieberman doesn't count. He is no longer welcome in our clubhouse.

Biden can be criticized for heavy-handed "War on Drugs" legislation,

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_...record_on_drug_
(ETA: I can't get this html to post right, but just add an underscore at the end and it will)

and his "early version of the Patriot Act" after the OK City bombing, which is discussed here:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

But I think, if Obama is elected, he's already done a lot of good by quelling foreign policy criticism during the campaign.

I think my least favorite Democrat would be them all en masse for not standing up to the Bush Adminstration during his first term for fear of appearing unpatriotic. I know there were those who did, but... as a whole they could have done so much good, and they didn't.

When I left, he was doing wonders for the city's economy and job market, but the double teaming of the gangs threatening him and his family and the cops/legitimate businessmen threatening him and his family was needling away at that dude's resolve on crime.

Newark's still a fucking mess, but bless him, he's undone a lot of damage. A lot of it by virtue of simply not being Sharpe James.

FTFY

Yeah, that was funny for a little bit, but I can't handle his shtick at all. Plus he speaks in outside voice when he's inside.

Cute, Pop Zeus, real cute.

I don't think it's about respect. He just leans more conservative than other members on the boards, but he isn't Snaieke.

Muharulz, We're even for that win your team gave the Giants last week. Thanks for that.

I might be conservative, but I'm intelligent and I'm not a dickhead either.

Yeah, they gave that game away. Good luck against Dallas.

You gotta love the unbiased nature on these CHUD political boards. Fair and Balanced.

I'm not trying to flame him. But there's this rather false and somewhat obnoxious assumption going around that us liberals and Obama supporters are so warped by own bias that we are incapable of thinking clearly. And that somehow moderates or conservatives are free from bias.

You see that in the counter-reaction to ElCap's photos in the election thread. It's just automatically assumed that we're "just pissed off cause it's a Palin rally!" not because of the actual reasons we stated. Personally, I think that says more about the assumer than it does me, but whatever...

As if needs to be repeated, this whole premise is mostly bullshit, and I'm just trying to point that out to Muharulz, who has accused me of judgment-clouding bias several times while proclaiming himself above bias. Not only have I never said I'm above bias or partisanship but anyone who starts off a post saying they're unbiased probably deserves the heightened scrutiny.

The added snark is strictly for my own entertainment purposes. If that comes off as flaming, it isn't the case. I would like to keep things pleasant.

I don't remember anybody here saying that Republicans aren't biased. Are you seriously quoting Snaeike on that one?

I don't think people who are indep. or moderates are morally superior, but it surely feels toxic to not declare yourself a partisan here.

Did you read my post? I'm talking about Muha.

WTF?

ElCap clearly showed his hat with that post. Has he finished saying he was "undecided" yet?

I've never said I was undecided.

Bullshit.

I've never said I wasn't biased. In fact, I'll be the first to admit that I'm biased in regards to several politicians. I only said that I have no real bias to either McCain or Obama. I don't support either candidate because they don't really speak to my core values or issues that I want addressed. I left the Republican Party because they lost me at their ideology-based politics.

Believe me, if there was a political party that believed in what I believed in, I would be a staunch supporter of it. However, a bias in something does not mean that an individual can't think clearly. I know plenty of intelligent people that support Obama and McCain who have the ability to think in complex ways. They can question their candidate and they can have doubts about that candidate. In this forum, I have seen little to no questioning about the Obama campaign since his FISA bill decision. I have also seen comments, toward me, Snaeike, and Cap, that suggest that we are sub-human. I mean... seriously... the generalization of conservatives needs to fuckin' stop.

Certainly one could interpret some things you've said to mean that you were.

I said in Feb that it would be an easy choice for me between Clinton/McCain, but hard between Obama/McCain. But I didn't say I was undecided, I've been constantly saying I'm leaning towards one candidate. And leaning it is going in the polling booth, since I still like both.

She's had the Speakership for two years and under Bush. What the hell do you expect exactly?

Rendell? Really?

Read Phil's post. Just because I didn't quote you directly doesn't mean you didn't say it.

And it kind of sounds like you're still saying it.

I have no personal stake here in who you vote for and don't care if you post photos of Palin's shoes and teeth or some side boob or whatever. But this playing coy, "could be swayed", "like both candidates but leaning" stuff all reads as "undecided". I think that's what "undecided" means.

He tried to make Interstate 80 in Pennsylvania a toll road, which would have spelled disaster to many of the trucking and steel companies that are in my area. It also would have caused them to find other, more expensive means to get around the state, which would have led to more traffic on our already shitty ass roads that PennDOT can't fix. The extra money wouldn't have even benefited us, but it would have benefited that mass transit systems for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

This is the kind of regressive tax policy that gets enacted by state governments when you don't support a progressive income tax policy. As a pundit, Ed Rendell is great.

I thought undecided means you don't know who you are voting for.

Which is odd because they share the same positions. And Clinton's experience was overstated as she really didn't have much more than Obama.

And on topic-While not a Congressman, Gov. Rod Blagojevich is horrible. If the Republicans rans someone against him that had a pulse and wasn't a Bob Dole type candidate(her turn) he would have been out last election. He's headed for jail after this election as Rezko is talking. Bring on Gov. Daley.

So you've narrowed it down to two, then?

Honest, I have no idea what sort of semantics black hole we're headed into here. "Could be swayed" "Leaning"? You are either doing those things, or you've decided. If you haven't decided (and if we take those statements at face value, you haven't), you're undecided.

I hear that Dayley will not leave his position as Chicago mayor. And as of next year he will have been in that job for 20 years.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

How about taking money out of defense spending instead?

As far as I'm concerned, it's not as much about how much we are taxing rich people rather than how we are using/misusing taxpayer dollars. That much I think we agree upon.

I'm talking about his brother Bill.

Umm, did I miss a Constitutional Convention this summer or what?

And you, apparently, don't. Which means you're still saying you're undecided, even though you're clearly a Republican and voting for McCain.

Which was my entire point to begin with.