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post #51 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by flyarz View Post
This whole "it makes us talk about movies!" argument would be much stronger if a video game and supergroup draft weren't the next two proposed drafts. Just sayin'.
Yeah, but you were the first guy to complain about how the drafts were better in "the old days". I did and do dismiss it as grouchy cronyism. No personal offense, Philadelphia brother. You're in a swing state, you've got bigger battles today. Go vote Obama.
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post #52 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by flyarz View Post
This whole "it makes us talk about movies!" argument would be much stronger if a video game and supergroup draft weren't the next two proposed drafts. Just sayin'.
Your opinion would actually matter if you actually posted, instead of popping there and there for no reason. You pretty much just bitch and whine.

The so-called moratorium affect ALL drafts, and like Phil said, you whined about it with a useless thread.
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post #53 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:39pm
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
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post #54 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
I don't disagree with you on this, Patrick. However, it seems that many of these focused film discussion threads have been started by people who have discovered a film via a draft.
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post #55 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:41pm
I think it offended people less when it wasn't posted on the main page every time someone made a post on a specific thread.
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post #56 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
Fair enough, but dozens of people were exposed to dozens of films in the two drafts I took part in. Why would anyone bother with an in-depth thread for a film they haven't seen? Especially spoiler-phobes like myself? I think quite a few threads turned up as a RESULT of the horror draft.
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post #57 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:42pm
Thank you, Professor Ripoll.
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post #58 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
Nick doesn't want an official draft until next year, fine, but 12 -15 people on the boards having a focused discussion...
This is my point. The last few drafts involved a small group of people. Spacing them out more would allow other people to join in. I don't care if they are Chewer run or staff run, but the fact that so many are occurring back to back means the odds that I can participate gets smaller as the options for themes dwindles (at least the themes that i would have any knowledge about).
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post #59 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
But that happens all the time. I've never done a draft, and probably never will. But people seem to really love them. What's the point of the ban?
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post #60 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:45pm
Sorry, Diva. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.
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post #61 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
This is my point. The last few drafts involved a small group of people.
34 people in the horror draft (33 if you disallow Kabong), and Keith was getting shit for letting too many in.
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post #62 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
This is my point. The last few drafts involved a small group of people.
The Action Draft, Fail Draft, and Horror Draft all had at least 26 people participate in them. Additional participation was generated by non-drafters in the discussion threads. I'm sorry, but I don't see that as a small group of people.

ETA: Phil and I keep repeating each other in this thread...we must be old.
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post #63 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:50pm
Horror draft was excellent. I enjoyed reading it. Fail and Action, not so much.

But my point is, its the same people doing them over and over. Diversity is the spice of life. Giving people a lot of lead time and the possibility to clear their schedule and more people could join in. A week between drafts doesn't cut it.
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post #64 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Fair enough, but dozens of people were exposed to dozens of films in the two drafts I took part in. Why would anyone bother with an in-depth thread for a film they haven't seen? Especially spoiler-phobes like myself? I think quite a few threads turned up as a RESULT of the horror draft.

I totally agree with this.
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post #65 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:50pm
Anuthu stupid Chud decision!
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post #66 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
This is my point. The last few drafts involved a small group of people.
Horror Draft: 35 participants

Fail Draft: 26 participants

Action Draft: 30 participants

Kirby's 80s Draft: 37 participants

Rep Company Draft: 25 participants (set at that by Nick though)

2006 Babe Draft: 28 participants

The numbers simply don't back you up, Diva.
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post #67 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Horror Draft: 35 participants

Fail Draft: 26 participants

Action Draft: 30 participants

Kirby's 80s Draft: 37 participants

Rep Company Draft: 25 participants (set at that by Nick though)

2006 Babe Draft: 28 participants

The numbers simply don't back you up, Diva.
Diva

Wrong on numbers. Wrong on the Draft.

Wrong...for America.
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post #68 of 236
11/4/08 at 12:59pm
"Small group of people" = "not the ones calling to stop doing drafts"

I would guess Nick's wanting to put a hold on them has to either do with user drafts stepping on the site's toes (Nick wanted to do a CHUD-approved horror draft, maybe), or he just hates the use of "Fail" THAT much. (As do I.)

No idea why other board users would give a shit. I never understood trying to police threads that you can just ignore.
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post #69 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Giving people a lot of lead time and the possibility to clear their schedule and more people could join in. A week between drafts doesn't cut it.
I don't think that's true at all. But even if it were, it's a moot point because we can't rely on Nick to organize drafts. We all know he has ADD when it comes to projects. Assuming he actually starts one, he probably won't see it through to completion (see- Rep Draft).
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post #70 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:06pm
I don't want to do another draft right now, or likely before next year, simply because they take more time than I have anymore. But I certainly wouldn't be bothered by other people doing it. I'm not really sure how you could be, unless you decided you wanted to take it personally.

Why not have a moratorium on discussing the box office? That annoys some people. Or we could just agree to a moratorium on the phrase "straw man". Or we could put a moratorium on hypocritical assaults on fanboys.
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post #71 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
I got a notepad out & made me a great list of horror movies I hadn't watched/heard of/need to revisit from the last draft discussion thread. And I wasn't in the draft (just signed up for the first time EVER, now this.. sigh mutter misfortune-prone mutter).
I honestly do not see the problem.
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post #72 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:09pm
And people not participating in a draft are still welcome to observer and discuss, so it's not a "drafters only" club.
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post #73 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:12pm
If it wasn't for the Drafts, I wouldn't have been able to learn that Fat Elvis is an idiot.
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post #74 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:14pm
So a mass majority of people in this thread are against the moratorium, but the questions remain: what is the benefit of a moratorium and is Eileen going to lock draft threads?
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post #75 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:14pm
I've enjoyed the drafts run by Kirby. So it's not all about "they were better in the old days!" In fact, the movie drafts recently have been much better than the days of old, as I remember when we used to just do babe drafts. I think.

But now, there are too many drafts. Kirby's are cool because he attracts some people I like reading, and there's usually some thought put behind the parameters.

But regardless of who's running them and what I prefer, it's stupid to argue that drafts should be done because people want them. Yes, you'll always find participants, and yes, you're not harming the board. But if there wasn't a moratorium on drafts, I could be a total dick and start a horror draft next week and get at least 20 participants. I could probably pull this off every 2 months, if not every month.

So the point I'm trying to make is: just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. If anyone can run a draft at any time on any topic, you'll do fine now but will run them into the ground soon enough. I think it makes sense to go through Nick & Eileen, if only to keep things interesting and "official."
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post #76 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:15pm
Thread Starter 
Glad the rep system is gone or I would have been in the red.

I love drafts and participate in as many as possible but this decision is based on the fact we were having too many close together.

Oh and BobClark, I'm actually a Federalist Marxist
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post #77 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
If it wasn't for the Drafts, I wouldn't have been able to learn that Fat Elvis is an idiot.

But The Incredibles is a movie that fails on EVERY LEVEL! Now you know!
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post #78 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:16pm
If you can get 20 people to do a horror draft every month, why not? It breeds discussion and if it has the long term effect of limiting drafts through a natural burnout, then its win-win.
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post #79 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by flyarz View Post
I've enjoyed the drafts run by Kirby. So it's not all about "they were better in the old days!" In fact, the movie drafts recently have been much better than the days of old, as I remember when we used to just do babe drafts. I think.

But now, there are too many drafts. Kirby's are cool because he attracts some people I like reading, and there's usually some thought put behind the parameters.

But regardless of who's running them and what I prefer, it's stupid to argue that drafts should be done because people want them. Yes, you'll always find participants, and yes, you're not harming the board. But if there wasn't a moratorium on drafts, I could be a total dick and start a horror draft next week and get at least 20 participants. I could probably pull this off every 2 months, if not every month.

So the point I'm trying to make is: just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. If anyone can run a draft at any time on any topic, you'll do fine now but will run them into the ground soon enough. I think it makes sense to go through Nick & Eileen, if only to keep things interesting and "official."
Who are you again?
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post #80 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen View Post

I love drafts and participate in as many as possible but this decision is based on the fact we were having too many close together.
Where is the harm?
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post #81 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
I love drafts and participate in as many as possible but this decision is based on the fact we were having too many close together.

Oh and BobClark, I'm actually a Federalist Marxist
I knew it!!!

Seems kind of silly to think there's "too much" film discussion going on here.
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post #82 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I prefer discussing movies by having someone watch a movie and start a thread about it. That way, anyone who has seen the movie can discuss it, not just people participating in the draft. I think that is the optimal focused movie discussion technique.
Then in 2 years, you can resurrect the thread and bash the creator. People love that shit.
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post #83 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
Glad the rep system is gone or I would have been in the red.

I love drafts and participate in as many as possible but this decision is based on the fact we were having too many close together.
I wouldn't slam you with red rep. I get the point, and it's a valid one. One a week was way too much, I agree, but I wouldn't wait for an official CHUD draft either, it's way too long.
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post #84 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
Then in 2 years, you can resurrect the thread and bash the creator. People love that shit.
*high five*
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post #85 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:21pm
I can understand limiting movie drafts to prevent saturation and overexposure. A draft a week makes drafts a little more commonplace and less special. It's the draft law of marginal utility.

Still, niche drafts like the game draft (which I still think would be kinda fun) wouldn't factor into this as much, since the topic doesn't overlap with the movie drafts, and the game threads are almost a separate community unto themselves. At worst, it saturates the draft pool, but not in a way that's very meaningful.
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post #86 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:21pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
Where is the harm?
The problem was not having issue with film discussion but having too many drafts close together.
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post #87 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:21pm
I have my OCD compulsions to make lists just as much as the next guy, but I feel I can make it to January without succumbing to long fits of the shakes. That said, this thread should have been closed post-Moltisanti comment.
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post #88 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:22pm
By the way, as much as I like Kirby's drafts, I was kinda weirded out to learn that he methodically chose the draft order. No random at all.
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post #89 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:23pm
We had the Rep Company draft in June. Kirby's 80s Draft was in the middle of August. The Action Draft ended and the Fail Draft started a week apart in September, and the Horror Draft was the first week of October. Tati's Video Game draft would have probably been in the middle of November.

So what essentially amounts to one draft a month is "too many close together"?
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post #90 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
The problem was not having issue with film discussion but having too many drafts close together.
I still don't understand how this is a problem. Especially in light of all the comments in this thread- people talking about how the recent flood of drafts have turned them on to different films.
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post #91 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
The problem was not having issue with film discussion but having too many drafts close together.
That's the alleged problem, I don't see what the resulting harm will be. If people burnout on drafts then they will become sparse, which is what you want in the first place. I know on a day like this it's an odd argument, but let the Chewer marketplace decide the pace of drafts.
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post #92 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:26pm
This whole "draft every week" notion is simply not true.
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post #93 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:27pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
Especially in light of all the comments in this thread- people talking about how the recent flood of drafts have turned them on to different films.
I noticed that also and was actually surprised to read that even though they do not participate they still keep tabs on who is choosing what.
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post #94 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
I still don't understand how this is a problem.
We might catch that too-many-drafts virus going around.
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post #95 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:30pm
That's part of the beauty. Every draft probably has a list of observers twice as big as participants. It's a win win situation. If the interest is not there, the drafts won't happen.
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post #96 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:31pm
It was every other week!

And thank God for this thread. It's nice to find someplace today where we can talk about something that's truly important.
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post #97 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Flyarz
Long, thought out post
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Who are you again?
Hah! You got Pwnd!
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post #98 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Horror Draft: 35 participants

Fail Draft: 26 participants

Action Draft: 30 participants

Kirby's 80s Draft: 37 participants

Rep Company Draft: 25 participants (set at that by Nick though)

2006 Babe Draft: 28 participants

The numbers simply don't back you up, Diva.
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton View Post
Diva

Wrong on numbers. Wrong on the Draft.

Wrong...for America.
I assume you all posted this before reading my last post, but "small group of people" refers to the lack of diversity rather than a quota. It's the same people doing the drafts over and over.


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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
I don't think that's true at all. But even if it were, it's a moot point because we can't rely on Nick to organize drafts. We all know he has ADD when it comes to projects. Assuming he actually starts one, he probably won't see it through to completion (see- Rep Draft).
Again, I don't care who runs the drafts just as long as there's enough time to let people become aware that they are happening, sign up, and prepare their lists. A week doesn't cut it.
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post #99 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
I assume you all posted this before reading my last post, but "small group of people" refers to the lack of diversity rather than a quota. It's the same people doing the drafts over and over.
Fair enough. But I doubt the diversity of the previous groups. Kirby's draft had pretty much the same gang as these drafts, + old posters that never post on the boards except for these. And Dellamorte and Matchstick. That's pretty much it.
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post #100 of 236
11/4/08 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Again, I don't care who runs the drafts just as long as there's enough time to let people become aware that they are happening, sign up, and prepare their lists. A week doesn't cut it.
Here's almost 2 months lead time for my Rock Band draft, then. I PM'd this to both Nick and Eileen last week. With the recent releases of RB2 and GH:WT, as well as the releases of several high profile rock albums, I thought that this could be a fun draft. Eileen replied saying that she liked the idea but wanted me to hold off until January.

Draft: Rock Band Draft

Monday: Pick a singer
Tuesday: Pick a guitarist
Wednesday: Pick a bassist
Thursday: Pick a drummer
Friday: Free for all, pick a 5th musician of your choice (second singer, second guitarist, keyboardist, tuba player, whatever) and name your band.

Multi-instrumentalists can be drafted multiple times: Someone can draft Eric Clapton as a guitarist. Someone else (or the same drafter) can also draft Eric Clapton as a singer.
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