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post #1 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:11pm
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Right I've been asked to make a Joy Division mix for a girl at my office after I lent her 24 Hour Party People. I'm a massive Joy Division fan myself and as such I felt this would be a ridiculously easy task. It's actually kind of infuriatingly difficult, I know about seven songs that are locks for the list but trying to piece through everything I have to try and find songs that would appeal on a first listen is really quite insanely hard.

Track List thus far =

Atmosphere
Colony
Atrocity Exhibition
She's Lost Control (can't decide whether to go for the recorded version or a live version)
Isolation
Transmission
New Dawn Fades
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Swans Cover)

Any suggestions, I'm trying to aim for a 50-60 minute mix so I need about 4 or 5 tracks and I honestly can't decide between about a dozen tracks.
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post #2 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Right I've been asked to make a Joy Division mix for a girl at my office after I lent her 24 Hour Party People. I'm a massive Joy Division fan myself and as such I felt this would be a ridiculously easy task. It's actually kind of infuriatingly difficult, I know about seven songs that are locks for the list but trying to piece through everything I have to try and find songs that would appeal on a first listen is really quite insanely hard.

Track List thus far =

Atmosphere
Colony
Atrocity Exhibition
She's Lost Control (can't decide whether to go for the recorded version or a live version)
Isolation
Transmission
New Dawn Fades
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Swans Cover)

Any suggestions, I'm trying to aim for a 50-60 minute mix so I need about 4 or 5 tracks and I honestly can't decide between about a dozen tracks.
I'd add Heart and Soul, Dead Souls, Decades, The Eternal, and Warsaw for sure, maybe No Love Lost and Digital.
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post #3 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:28pm
You can't just give her Unknown Pleasures? (Slang.)

If you really had to fuck with it you could throw on the live BBC versions of 'Transmission' and 'She's Lost Control' and the studio of 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', I guess.

Why the Swans cover? Michael Gira's awesome voice and the backing vocals aside, it's not that much different. Go with Calexico's if you really have to.
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post #4 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:34pm
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I'm going for the Jarobe vocal Swans Cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F062h9ePl4Q

I've already switched out the studio version of Love Will Tear Us Apart for a John Peel session, I'm having She's Lost Control on twice (one produced and one live from the Factory Hulme).

I'm kind of tempted to go with the Moby version of New Dawn Fades, but I think that's fucking around a little too much.

Warsaw is an awesome suggestion, it's been a while since I dug out the ideal for living EP and I was gravitating towards Dead Souls and the Eternal.
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post #5 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:35pm
Or, if you want to mix it up, you can throw on some early New Order to illustrate the evolution.

And, yeah, there are a ton of good versions of "Love Will Tear Us Apart," but they're all going to suffer by comparison to the original. If you have to go with one, go unusual - the Calexico one is great. There's also a nice live one by the Frames with an electric violin handling the lead synth line.
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post #6 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
Or, if you want to mix it up, you can throw on some early New Order to illustrate the evolution.

And, yeah, there are a ton of good versions of "Love Will Tear Us Apart," but they're all going to suffer by comparison to the original. If you have to go with one, go unusual - the Calexico one is great. There's also a nice live one by the Frames with an electric violin handling the lead synth line.
Is Age of Consent and the ilk early New Order? (I'll admit that my knowledge of New Order outside of the singles is brutally lacking)

That Frames cover is fucking immense Dave. I have no idea how I'd find a copy of it though.
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post #7 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I've already switched out the studio version of Love Will Tear Us Apart for a John Peel session
Dude, no. Seriously, unless she already has a copy of the original, you've gotta go with the studio one. Absolutely essential to any collection.
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post #8 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Is Age of Consent and the ilk early New Order? (I'll admit that my knowledge of New Order outside of the singles is brutally lacking)
That's pretty early (second album). If you go earlier to stuff like "Ceremony" and "Temptation," you can really hear the Joy Division connection. "Ceremony" was originally a Joy Division song, in fact.
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post #9 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:41pm
Just give her a copy of Substance and be done with it. Pretty much covers everything.
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post #10 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:42pm
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Yeah, just going through my New Order boxset (I got it at the same time as the Heart and Soul collection) and Ceremony jumped out as a Joy Division track. In actuality when I heard it in Marie Antoinette I remember thinking it was JD track.
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post #11 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:42pm
Shit, who was the croaky-voiced old man who covered "Love Will Tear Us Apart"?

Put Malcom McLaren's "Love Will Keep Us Together/Tear Us Apart" on there.

I'd put "Interzone" and "Disorder" on there - both fairly accessible for a new listener.
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post #12 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:44pm
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Just give her a copy of Substance and be done with it. Pretty much covers everything.
I was thinking of doing her a copy of Substance, but the lack of Isolation and the inclusion of some really poor masters of Digital and Leaders of Men put me off. Rather put a little thought into it, even if that is now thought by proxy.
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post #13 of 44
11/6/08 at 6:44pm
I just realized that the only Joy Division that's made it to my iPod so far is a pair of tracks from the No Thanks punk box set thing. Ah, the slow road to satisfying iPodization.
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post #14 of 44
11/6/08 at 7:04pm
Spike, stop trying so hard. You're obviously a fan, she's obviously not. Forget trying to impress. Dispense with the esoteric shit. Just throw a bunch of good songs together.

Substance minus some of the earliest tracks is going to do just fine.
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post #15 of 44
11/6/08 at 7:16pm
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Tracklisting

Atmosphere
Atrocity Exhibition
She's Lost Control
Colony
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Transmission
Twenty Four Hours
Isolation
New Dawn Fades
Dead Souls
Warsaw
Digital
Passover
Love Will Tear Us Apart (John Peel Session)
Heart and Soul
She's Lost Control (Live@The Factory Hulme)
Ceremony - New Order
New Dawn Fades - Moby
Love Will Tear Us Apart-The Swans

Thanks for the help guys. And before you bitch at me putting the same song on the album three times I think they're each different enough to justify it. Plus she appears to be pretty OCD about listening to stuff (I did her a copy of the Into the Wild OST after she loved the film and pretty much listens to Long Nights continually on her MP3).
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post #16 of 44
11/6/08 at 8:02pm
You could always kill yourself while listening to The Idiot.

Best way to cut out the middle man.
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post #17 of 44
11/6/08 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
That's pretty early (second album). If you go earlier to stuff like "Ceremony" and "Temptation," you can really hear the Joy Division connection. "Ceremony" was originally a Joy Division song, in fact.
Good call on those. Of the two, Temptation really bridges the Joy Division era and what was to come with New Order.
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post #18 of 44
11/6/08 at 10:43pm
You should make a bonus CD full of bad "Love Will Tear Us Apart" covers.
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post #19 of 44
11/7/08 at 3:39am
What a loser Spike. Seriously. Giving a girl a Joy Division CD? Totally lame. What's next? A MIX CD?
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post #20 of 44
11/7/08 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by Russ Fischer View Post
Spike, stop trying so hard. You're obviously a fan, she's obviously not. Forget trying to impress. Dispense with the esoteric shit. Just throw a bunch of good songs together.

Substance minus some of the earliest tracks is going to do just fine.
totally agree, if she hasn`t found JD herself maybe shes not worth it ? Ian & Co are precious and rare gem - not everyone to love. admint when control came out was a bit afraid that they become flaivor of the week. they deserve better.
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post #21 of 44
11/7/08 at 3:51am
I always throw on Atrocity Exhibition when I feel like killing myself. Otherwise, I prefer New Order.
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post #22 of 44
11/8/08 at 9:52pm
Interesting how we talk about listening to music like it's vinyl because clicking and dragging isn't very...well, it isn't very anything.
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post #23 of 44
11/8/08 at 10:11pm
I'd have to include "Disorder." In my opinion it's the most accessible song of JD after "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and "Atmosphere."
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post #24 of 44
11/9/08 at 12:06pm
Spike, let us know how it goes...
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post #25 of 44
11/9/08 at 1:43pm
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Spike, let us know how it goes...
Might have to move this thread to another forum for that.

Needless to say that she loved it and that she was over last night watching that new documentary 'Joy Division' and listening to the John Peel sessions.
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post #26 of 44
11/9/08 at 1:49pm
Wow, I guess all music gets people in the mood, even fucking Joy Division. "Don't walk away...in siiiiiilence...."
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post #27 of 44
11/9/08 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
I'd add Heart and Soul, Dead Souls, Decades, The Eternal, and Warsaw for sure, maybe No Love Lost and Digital.

Definitely Digital.
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post #28 of 44
11/11/08 at 1:15pm
I was listening to a live performance of Trent Reznor and Peter Murphy covering some JD songs this morning. Their versions of Dead Souls, Warsaw and Atmosphere are pretty good, with Warsaw standing out. But it may just be the combination of the three components that makes it more interesting than good though.

BTW, they weren't play live this morning, it's a recording of a live radio performance.
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post #29 of 44
11/11/08 at 1:25pm
Those were probably from the summer '06 tour where Nine Inch Nails, Bauhaus and TV on the Radio did some radio spots. Most of the radio performances were Reznor and Murphy, but TVotR joined for some, too. I've got three of them, none of which have the Joy Division covers.
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post #30 of 44
11/11/08 at 1:34pm
I think you're right, Russ.
The tracks I have are:
Dreams
Head Like a Hole
Reptile
Final Solution
Sanity Assassin
Warm Leatherette
Bela Lugosi's Dead
Hurt
Strange Kind Of Love
Niteclubbing
Dead Souls
Twenty-Four Hours
Warsaw
Atmosphere
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post #31 of 44
11/11/08 at 1:38pm
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Warm Leatherette
What a weird song to cover. Who sings that one?
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post #32 of 44
11/11/08 at 1:41pm
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What a weird song to cover. Who sings that one?
Peter Murphy.

I guess there were four performances -- I have the DC, Boston and Atlanta ones. The JD covers all must be from whatever the fourth was. I'm sure I can find them if I look hard enough.

EDIT: Chicago is where the JD stuff came from.

EDIT 2: And Peter Murphy sings most of the tracks.
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post #33 of 44
11/11/08 at 2:01pm
Most of the Peter Murphy selections appear to be personal favorites instead of Hits, except for Bela, which you'd think that he'd be tired of singing at this point.
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post #34 of 44
12/14/08 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Shit, who was the croaky-voiced old man who covered "Love Will Tear Us Apart"?
Found it! Albert Kuvezin & Yat Kha. It sounds like a Muppet is singing it.
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post #35 of 44
1/4/09 at 7:15pm
YouTube keeps recommending me Hitler videos for watching Joy Division performances...the band must have the worst fans possible...surely this is evidence that others can try to ruin somebody's music for yourself.
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post #36 of 44
1/4/09 at 7:23pm
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or if you really don't know where the band took it's name from...
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post #37 of 44
1/4/09 at 7:56pm
I know where they took their name from, I just mean that Joy Division aren't white supremacists. Ian Curtis was merely fascinated with this shite. And so killed himself.
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post #38 of 44
1/4/09 at 8:22pm
I know Joy Division weren't white supremacists, but if there was a brit-pop band called Swastika, you'd probably have the same Youtube results.
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post #39 of 44
1/4/09 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by dreary louse View Post
Ian Curtis was merely fascinated with this shite. And so killed himself.
One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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post #40 of 44
1/4/09 at 8:40pm
No no Russ, it's because he was interested in what happened in the Holocaust, not because his health was failing as a result of his epilepsy and a hectic touring schedule, and his marriage was falling apart.
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post #41 of 44
1/4/09 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Shit, who was the croaky-voiced old man who covered "Love Will Tear Us Apart"?
I have a CD where a Tuvan throat-singer covers it.*


* - this is not a joke
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post #42 of 44
1/5/09 at 9:32pm
In any case, his music would have been less interesting if he just focused on the Beatles (nothing wrong the Beatles, mind you) and lighter matters. I should have specified in that comment above, but as his widow notes in Touching From a Distance, he was occupying his time with meditations on death, influencing his end. That's all I meant.

EDIT: After writing that, I am a little concerned how little 'mystery' there (supposedly) is to this man we never met - I certainly liked 24 Hour Party People's interpretation better than Control's, as it was more vague instead of leading one to a check list of misery ending in that noose...like a fictional character to be found in something by Camus or Sarte.
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post #43 of 44
1/5/09 at 10:15pm
All of my favorite Joy Division songs were written by She Wants Revenge.
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post #44 of 44
1/6/09 at 12:22am
Much is wrong with that sentence.
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