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post #1 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:27am
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Seriously, fuck that guy.
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post #2 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:29am
Between Reid basically saying Lieberman'd be stripped of his seat if he didn't step down and the rumor that Kristol's Times contract might not renewed, today was a very bad day for those of us trying not to gloat/feeling vindictive.
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post #3 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:31am
Been saying that since his crusade against violence in videogames, and he's only gotten worse since then. Glad people are finally coming around on the fact he's a douchebag.
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post #4 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:41am
Agreed. Fuck him. I still know Jewish Democrats who defend him because "he'd stand up for Israel in a heartbeat".

Of course he would.
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post #5 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Agreed. Fuck him. I still know Jewish Democrats who defend him because "he'd stand up for Israel in a heartbeat".

Of course he would.
Fine. He can stand up for Israel from the Republican caucus just as well as he can from the Democratic caucus.

I see no reason to keep him in the caucus just to reach the arbitrary 60 seats. He will vote to circumvent filibusters base on his beliefs regardless which party he caucuses with. Strip him of his chairmanships and let him decide where his loyalties lie.
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post #6 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:45am
And of course Sean Hannity is already accusing the Obama administration of "turning on one of their own."
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post #7 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Agreed. Fuck him. I still know Jewish Democrats who defend him because "he'd stand up for Israel in a heartbeat".

Of course he would.
I don't give a shit about Israel frankly. The Jewish-Americans should be concerned with what the Orthodoxy is doing in Israel with it's new zeal on deciding who, in fact, is actually a Jew.


Lieberman's "Hey guys...I was just joshing ya'! Yay Democrats!" is hilarious in the wake of the Democrats victory.
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post #8 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
Lieberman's "Hey guys...I was just joshing ya'! Yay Democrats!" is hilarious in the wake of the Democrats victory.
He love you Democrats. Really!
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post #9 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:49am
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Obama campaigned for the dude, and he still went with McCain. I mean his asstasticness was apparent a long time ago, and especially when he lost the Democratic nomination and still ran in '06, but even though he could likely be beaten into shape, fuck that guy.
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post #10 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
Obama campaigned for the dude, and he still went with McCain. I mean his asstasticness was apparent a long time ago, and especially when he lost the Democratic nomination and still ran in '06, but even though he could likely be beaten into shape, fuck that guy.
Hahaha I didn't know Obama campaigned for him. I hope he gets run out of town on a rail!
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post #11 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:54am
Lieberman, Tipper and Al can all go form their own party.

The one that no one listens to.
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post #12 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:55am
I ain't mad at him!
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post #13 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:56am
I didn't know the Obama campaigning thing either. I would love to be a fly on the wall for the first meeting they have now that he's President.
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post #14 of 105
11/7/08 at 12:58am
A fucking wall zipper? What a perv.
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post #15 of 105
11/7/08 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Lieberman, Tipper and Al can all go form their own party.

The one that no one listens to.
We're keeping Al.
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post #16 of 105
11/7/08 at 1:22am
We all believe Lieberman to be wrong. That goes without saying. However, isn't there something a little bit commendable in being a politician marching to the beat of his own drum?
If a Republican had done the same things wouldn't we be calling him/her a hero?
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post #17 of 105
11/7/08 at 1:24am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
We all believe Lieberman to be wrong. That goes without saying. However, isn't there something a little bit commendable in being a politician marching to the beat of his own drum?
If a Republican had done the same things wouldn't we be calling him/her a hero?
Commendable? Nah.

It was ballsy, sure. But it was also really fucking dumb.
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post #18 of 105
11/7/08 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
We all believe Lieberman to be wrong. That goes without saying. However, isn't there something a little bit commendable in being a politician marching to the beat of his own drum?
If a Republican had done the same things wouldn't we be calling him/her a hero?
Totally commendable. And if a Republican did the same thing I would definitely laud them. And I would totally expect the Republican party to punish him if he trashed their nominee and campaigned for downticket Dems.

Lieberman is an Independent. In exchange for caucusing with the Democrats (giving them the majority from 03-04) he was given a commitee chairmanship as well as the chair of two subcommitees. Well, we don't need him to have a majority now. So bye bye chairmanships.
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post #19 of 105
11/7/08 at 1:40am
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Obama campaigned for Lieberman when he was against Ned Lamont in the Dem primaries in 06. It would be commendable if he wasn't worried about being stripped of powers. He went against his party when it was good for him, now he's making kissy faces and saying "baby, I didn't mean it." You don't take that back. And the fact that he ran in 06 without a party means that the dude just wants power and control. Fuck him.
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post #20 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:03am
I don't have much sympathy for the guy. He's an opportunist and was one of my least favorite Democrats back when that was still something of a new concept to me. And his speech at the RNC was the last straw. There's bipartisanship, and then there's whatever that was. Also, I couldn't disagree with him more on some issues, like Iraq.
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post #21 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
We all believe Lieberman to be wrong. That goes without saying. However, isn't there something a little bit commendable in being a politician marching to the beat of his own drum?
If a Republican had done the same things wouldn't we be calling him/her a hero?
That's the problem with this thread. Your loyalty is not to your party, but it's to your country. I don't see anyone here bitching about the Republicans who jumped ship for Obama (Powell) or any of the Republican pols who remained quiet from endorsing either candidate when we all knew who they wanted to win (Hagel).

I don't agree with Lieberman on a lot of issues, but he has every right to support whomever he wishes. I can certainly commend him for making that decision.

The problem with two party rule is that one party always claims the other is better and instead of working together, it just divides them.

You can be totally angry for Lieberman's decision not to back your candidate of choice, but it is kinda hypocritical to cheer for Reps backing Obama and not for Dems backing McCain.

As for Lieberman's run as an independent... he had every right to do so. He was still really popular with the constituency of Connecticut. If you think that you can benefit the country, it shouldn't matter what party you run under.
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post #22 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:08am
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That's the problem with this thread. Your loyalty is not to your party, but it's to your country. I don't see anyone here bitching about the Republicans who jumped ship for Obama (Powell) or any of the Republican pols who remained quiet from endorsing either candidate when we all knew who they wanted to win (Hagel).

I don't agree with Lieberman on a lot of issues, but he has every right to support whomever he wishes. I can certainly commend him for making that decision.

The problem with two party rule is that one party always claims the other is better and instead of working together, it just divides them.

You can be totally angry for Lieberman's decision not to back your candidate of choice, but it is kinda hypocritical to cheer for Reps backing Obama and not for Dems backing McCain.

As for Lieberman's run as an independent... he had every right to do so. He was still really popular with the constituency of Connecticut. If you think that you can benefit the country, it shouldn't matter what party you run under.
Muharulz, campaigning for John McCain was not the issue. It was the negative campaigning against Barack Obama and the campaigning for the other Republicans lower down on tickets. That's not the same thing at all.
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post #23 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by Muharulz View Post
If you think that you can benefit the country, it shouldn't matter what party you run under.
But what has he done to benefit the country, exactly? I hated the guy before he went independent.
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post #24 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:16am
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But what has he done to benefit the country, exactly? I hated the guy before he went independent.
It's not a matter of what he has done for the country, but what he believes he can do for the country.

If I had little support left in my party because they didn't like my beliefs on one issue, but the constituent supporters of another party liked me too... I would certainly run as an independent.

And yeah, Lieberman did negatively campaign against Obama. Sure, I'll give you that. Should he lose his chairmanship? Yeah, I'd say so.

That being said, I think Lieberman took a commendable risk for his actions.

This government needs more people who think for themselves and not play the usual partisan politics of D and R.
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post #25 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:23am
When it comes election time, those Ds and Rs become much more important. The thing that pissed me off most was when he started his speech at the GOP convention: "What's a Democrat like me doing in a place like this?"
  • He was not a Democrat at the time
  • He was leveraging his (incorrect) party status to benefit a member of the opposition

By the way, my feelings for Lieberman PALE in comparison to my feelings for Zell Miller. But, at least Zell had the sense to retire.
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post #26 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:55am
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Muharulz, campaigning for John McCain was not the issue. It was the negative campaigning against Barack Obama and the campaigning for the other Republicans lower down on tickets. That's not the same thing at all.
And his unwavering support for Sarah Palin, who is secretly brain damaged and barely functioning. Tutoring her on foreign policy and standing behind her at rallies like a proud, anxious father.

Traitor Joe. Israel first. Fuck what America needs.
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post #27 of 105
11/7/08 at 2:57am
Yeah, Lieberman isn't anything like Ron Paul, speaking truth to power, bucking his party because morality demands it. The guy is so clearly self-satisfied every time a political opportunity gives him the sole spotlight. Reid has every right to give Lieberman's chair to someone actually in his own party.
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post #28 of 105
11/7/08 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
Obama campaigned for Lieberman when he was against Ned Lamont in the Dem primaries in 06. It would be commendable if he wasn't worried about being stripped of powers. He went against his party when it was good for him, now he's making kissy faces and saying "baby, I didn't mean it." You don't take that back. And the fact that he ran in 06 without a party means that the dude just wants power and control. Fuck him.
I believe you are mistaken, sir.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/con...with_landrieu/

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HARTFORD, Conn. --Ned Lamont got a boost Thursday from one of the Democratic party's brightest rising stars, Sen. Barack Obama.

The Illinois senator and potential 2008 presidential candidate sent an e-mail message to his Connecticut supporters urging them to rally behind Lamont's challenge to three-term Sen. Joe Lieberman.

"Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grass roots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election," Obama wrote. "Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign."

The Lamont camp said Obama's e-mail went to about 5,000 Connecticut residents.

Lamont aides said they welcomed the support of Obama, who has enjoyed a surge in popularity in recent weeks as speculation about his national ambitions mounts.

"He's a very credible, charismatic and inspiring politician," said senior Lamont adviser Tom D'Amore. "We're thrilled to have his support.

Obama has also given $5,000 to Lamont's campaign through a political committee.

"Ned Lamont and I share a commitment to bringing our troops home safely from Iraq, to achieving energy independence, to helping all our citizens realize the American dream, and to empowering the American people to reclaim their government," Obama wrote.
I live in CT and was here for that election, almost every single Democrat turned on Lieberman and rallied behind Lamont. I listed the whole sorted affair in a previous thread about ol' Joe.
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post #29 of 105
11/7/08 at 3:32am
That was after the primary. Before the primary, Obama campaigned for Lieberman.
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post #30 of 105
11/7/08 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
That was after the primary. Before the primary, Obama campaigned for Lieberman.
AHhh!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/con...ind_lieberman/

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HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.

Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.

Lieberman, Connecticut's junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War. He was key in booking Obama, who routinely receives more than 200 speaking invitations each week.

Some at Thursday's dinner said that while they were pleased with Lieberman's success in bringing Obama to Connecticut, they still consider Lieberman uncomfortably tolerant of the Bush administration.

Obama wasted little time getting to that point, calling it the "elephant in the room" but praising Lieberman's intellect, character and qualifications.

"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.

"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.
Indeed, I stand corrected. Still, going from "He's the guy" to "Fuck him" within 6 months is a bit harsh for someone you consider a mentor.
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post #31 of 105
11/7/08 at 3:49am
Lieberman didn't put country before party, he put career before party. I think it's pretty low of him to run against rather than support the candidate who beat him in his own party's primary mid-campaign. Instead, to keep his job, he went Republican in all but name and joined them in their character assassination brand of politics.

Powell isn't a politician, and his isn't an elected position. His defection, such as it is, shouldn't be viewed the same way as Lieberman's.
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post #32 of 105
11/7/08 at 3:49am
Lieberman knew the stakes when he decided to speak at the RNC and campaign against Obama. He was warned and he knew what the consequences would be. McCain lost and so did Lieberman. No one should feel one iota of pity for him.
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post #33 of 105
11/7/08 at 4:09am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
AHhh!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/con...ind_lieberman/

Indeed, I stand corrected. Still, going from "He's the guy" to "Fuck him" within 6 months is a bit harsh for someone you consider a mentor.
I wouldn't categorize Obama's support of Lamont as "fuck Lieberman." He was supporting the guy who won his party's primary. It's not anywhere near out of bounds.

Dude, don't you live in Connecticut? Why am I schooling you on this stuff?

edit: That was a bit unfair. I was reading DailyKos regualrly at the time, and Ned Lamont was their candidate.
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post #34 of 105
11/7/08 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by Muharulz View Post
This government needs more people who think for themselves and not play the usual partisan politics of D and R.
Why? In any parliamentary democracy, people vote for the party and not the person, and those countries seem to get along just fine.

Then again, parliamentary democracies are structured around the assumption that more than two parties will exist. Wish I could say that about the American system.

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The problem with two party rule is that one party always claims the other is better and instead of working together, it just divides them.
This happens outside of the two-party system, too. It happens with all governments. And for many important issues, compromise is silly, if not impossible or at least inadvisable.
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post #35 of 105
11/7/08 at 5:22am
I don't dislike Lieberman necessarily for partisan reasons, but rather because he's more hawkish than a large number of Republicans. Also, I personally think he's an ass.
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post #36 of 105
11/7/08 at 4:20pm
He's so principled!

I mean, only someone interested in what's best for America would leverage his caucus status for his chairman spot. Right? Let him caucus for the Republicans and vote against all the things that led him into the Democratic Party in the first place. That's what you call principles.
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post #37 of 105
11/7/08 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
He's so principled!

I mean, only someone interested in what's best for America would leverage his caucus status for his chairman spot. Right? Let him caucus for the Republicans and vote against all the things that led him into the Democratic Party in the first place. That's what you call principles.
Yeah. I don't like Lieberman, but at first thought that what was coming down was a bit of excessive "piling on". But, this just shows that the fuck only cares about his own position and profile.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; the silver lining behind the 2000 loss was not having this douche as a VP. (Oh, and the fact that we now have the best Democrat of our lifetime in office).
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post #38 of 105
11/7/08 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker View Post
And his unwavering support for Sarah Palin, who is secretly brain damaged...

Worst. Kept. Secret. Ever.
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post #39 of 105
11/8/08 at 8:31pm
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/243586.php
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post #40 of 105
11/8/08 at 8:38pm
Indeed. Imagine the last couple of years if that committee was chaired by someone who gave a shit about what was going on in the White House.

I'm all for national unity, but the speed with which guys like Lieberman, Bachmann, Kristol, etc. (and of course Palin) have turned around on Sen. Obama makes me want to say "fuck 'em all." When McCain conceded, I got the impression he was at least trying to be genuine. This is all about preserving rep and senate chairs. They really want to show their support for the new President, motherfucking apologize.
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post #41 of 105
11/10/08 at 5:41pm
This is very disappointing:

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President-elect Barack Obama has informed party officials that he wants Joe Lieberman to continue caucusing with the Democrats in the 111th Congress, Senate aides tell the Huffington Post.

Obama's decision could tie the hands of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has been negotiating to remove Lieberman as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform committee while keeping him within the caucus. Lieberman has insisted that he will split from the Democrats if his homeland security position is stripped.
I was really hoping that Obama would be the one to insist Leiberman be thrown out of the caucus no matter how many seats the Democrats picked up this election.
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post #42 of 105
11/10/08 at 5:44pm
Good for the president elect, this is not the time to settle scores.
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post #43 of 105
11/10/08 at 5:48pm
Of course, the problem is he doesn't do his job very well.
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post #44 of 105
11/10/08 at 5:59pm
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post #45 of 105
11/10/08 at 5:59pm
See, I agree with Obama on this. Lieberman's a prick. But it's important for the nation that we move on. But Obama shouldn't insist on anything. This is Reid's decision and the decision of the Senate.
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post #46 of 105
11/10/08 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Good for the president elect, this is not the time to settle scores.
When exactly would be the time to settle the score with someone, in your party, who campaigned not only against you but other members in your party with the purpose to see your party didn't get a majority?

I'm certainly one for settling the partisan politcs going on but this isn't partisan. This is a member of the Democratic Caucus who went against his own for his own, or possibly another parties, reason. Is this someone who can be expected to side with the Demcrats inthe future? Why take the chance.
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post #47 of 105
11/10/08 at 6:08pm
If he were to do it now it would seem small and petty to the American public. As much as I hate Lieberman, I think Obama and Reid made a good move here.
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post #48 of 105
11/10/08 at 6:12pm
While it was a gracious move on Obama's part, it's not going to be without strings attached. I expect whenever tough legislation comes to the Senate, Obama will remind Lieberman who he owes his continued committee chairmanships to.......
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post #49 of 105
11/10/08 at 6:20pm
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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post #50 of 105
11/10/08 at 6:35pm
I could swear I posted this already in this thread but I can't find it.

Lieberman should be safe because of his seniority. Obama's pulled Biden, is maybe tapping Kerry \ Fiengold \ ?? & ol' Teddy bear has had his last picnic.

The senate sure is looking bare of any seniority and Lieberman is still a necessary evil for the Democrats. If he is stripped, he can always vacate his seat and the Republican Gov. can replace him with a Republican Senator and they don't need that when Dodd's seat will be in question come 2010.
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