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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
The republican's wouldn't take shit from the Maine Girls or Spector back in 2005 if they would threaten to join a Democratic Filibuster. They would have been bounced out of the party immediately.

Spector was astonished at the lack of party discipline when he switched sides last year. He was shocked that none of the party leaders would threaten the chairmanship of any democrat who joined a republican filibuster on Health Care.
They wouldn't take it from them because, outside of those three--and formerly McCain--every elected Republican official and the great majority of the rank-and-file Republicans are like Bobby Jindal in this video.

The Democratic base and caucuses in Congress aren't nearly that monolithic.

Concerning the caucuses, unlike the Republican Party, the number of Democrats who challenge the leadership in the Senate on key issues on a regular basis can't be counted on one hand. The Bayh Caucus and the Blue Dogs have safety in numbers. Should they be tougher with them? Hell yes. However, it's not as easy to crack down on 13 members when you need every single one of them to prevent a filibuster as it is when you just have one person to rein in and her vote is completely expendable.

Concerning the base, again, unlike the GOP, the Democratic Party is actually a big tent. You have every kind of person from actual socialists to people who would have been considered movement conservatives prior to the ascent of Reagan. It's not as easy to demonize an elected official and turn the mobs on them when your base is pluralistic and its members think for themselves.

A lot of people argue that we should be more like the GOP. I think that's bad thinking. We should welcome the broadness of the party and embrace the democratic nature of the Democratic Party. What we should seek to change are campaign finance laws and the inherently dysfunctional nature of the Senate under "dual track" filibustering. You fix those two things, you fix what screws up passing a Democratic agenda 9.9 times out of 10.
post #102 of 105
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
Back to LIEberman, This is Al Gore's fault for thinking that voters and his base gave a shit about whether a politician was "moral enough" after Monica Lewinsky. It showed the democrats were willing to play into the Republicans hands. Plus, no one believed Gore when he deep throated his wife at the Democratic convention.
I was actually just thinking about this the other day. I was still pretty young (14) during the 2000 election and I didn't really follow politics. I'm guessing Gore wanted Lieberman to shore up the Jewish vote, particularly in Florida? If that was the case then why not just choose Russ Feingold and try to appease some of the Nader crowd?
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post #104 of 105
I found Lieberman's successor. He is running in the New York Senate Democratic Primary. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Howard "1 Million a year working for Meryl Lynch" Ford Jr!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgBmQ...layer_embedded
post #105 of 105
This guy is such a motherfucking cocksucker. Can we get fucking rid of him now?
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