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post #1 of 31
11/8/08 at 9:05pm
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I tried looking for a thread, but couldn't find one so.

So this halloween, we saw both versions. For me to brag about Carpenter's film, would be as common as saying "lol" on the internet.

So basically Rob Zombie raped my childhood, and I think he enjoyed it. The film seems to basically do everything the opposite of what made the Carpenter film great.

Here we have a Michael who is fully exposed in terms of backstory. I understand that Zombie is trying to put his own spin on things, but the whole white trash background, abusive parents takes away from the mystery that was Michael Myers. He loses some of the scariness, and Zombie seems on replacing it with harsh white trash reality and gore. Just wish he could of been a little more subtle with the camera.
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post #2 of 31
11/8/08 at 9:09pm
Yeah, Zombie took a pretty big step with The Devil's Rejects, and with Halloween he's right back to where he was with House of 1000 Corpses, minus the MTV style editing.
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post #3 of 31
11/8/08 at 9:52pm
Nick and Devin's reviews of this movie are probably the funniest things I've ever read on this site. They almost made the existence of this movie worth it.

That being said, I sat through this shitshow once. It's amazing how little this film accomplishes. I'll give Zombie credit for trying to differentiate his movie from Carpenter's, but my God, this movie fails in every way. Terrible writing, terrible direction, and unbelievably terrible performances. I'm still shocked at how lost an actor as seasoned as Malcolm McDowell looks in this. This is the polar opposite of Carpenter's film.

Has anyone seen the new SE of this that just came out? I'm debating renting it for the 3-4 hour doc on it.
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post #4 of 31
11/8/08 at 9:57pm
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Has anyone seen the new SE of this that just came out? I'm debating renting it for the 3-4 hour doc on it.
Michael Lives really is worth the 20 bucks alone.

The film is shit and many more people have said it better than I ever could but I will say this: the Black Christmas remake is far worse.
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post #5 of 31
11/8/08 at 10:01pm
I thought that McDowell's outtakes were pretty damn funny, that's about it in regards to him.

This is a film that got a Fuck You out of 10, and I think it's the only that Devin has given the rating to.
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post #6 of 31
11/8/08 at 10:14pm
I picked up a blu-ray copy of the new special edition with the documentary a few weeks ago for free (I traded in some old stuff and I had some store credit left over after I got everything else I wanted). The movie pretty much sucks, but I'm interested in seeing the documentary. Still, the disc hasn't left the container since I got it.
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post #7 of 31
11/8/08 at 11:12pm
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Michael Lives really is worth the 20 bucks alone.

The film is shit and many more people have said it better than I ever could but I will say this: the Black Christmas remake is far worse.
Black Christmas at least had Mary Elizabeth Winstead in it.

Very slight advantage = shitty Black Christmas remake.
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post #8 of 31
11/8/08 at 11:17pm
I'll take the Black Christmas remake over this shit stew. Seriously, the Halloween remake is crap on every level. I sat through this twice. The second time was only to hear the commentary and hear what Zombie had to say for himself.
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post #9 of 31
11/8/08 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
The second time was only to hear the commentary and hear what Zombie had to say for himself.
That commentary is illuminating because it shows just how little Zombie actually knows about what he's doing. I'm paraphrasing here but it's like --

"Yeah, so we showed up on set that day, and like, Sid Haig was there and I was like, 'Hey Sid, are you in this scene?' and he was like, 'Huh? Oh yeah, I think so.' So we shot the scene. Then later on I realized it was supposed to be a night time scene and we had shot it during the day. So we had to shoot it again later."

WHAT THE FUCK!?
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post #10 of 31
11/9/08 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
That commentary is illuminating because it shows just how little Zombie actually knows about what he's doing. I'm paraphrasing here but it's like --

"Yeah, so we showed up on set that day, and like, Sid Haig was there and I was like, 'Hey Sid, are you in this scene?' and he was like, 'Huh? Oh yeah, I think so.' So we shot the scene. Then later on I realized it was supposed to be a night time scene and we had shot it during the day. So we had to shoot it again later."

WHAT THE FUCK!?

Fuck you. Don't make me rent this.
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post #11 of 31
11/9/08 at 12:14am
I haven't seen it, but if that's a good example of the commentary I might have to rent it. And I was wondering, before this was released did anyone think it would be good? I don't get the love for Zombie's first two films, I thought they were extremely boring. But then again I've spent the better part of today defending Armageddon and Rocky IV, so who am I to judge?
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post #12 of 31
11/9/08 at 12:33am
Despite not liking Zombie's first two films, I had some twisted hope this might be good. However, after rewatching it last weekend, it still deserves Devin's Fuck You out of 10.

Now I have a weird hope that the Zombie-free Halloween 2 could be good. It certainly has to be better than this movie.
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post #13 of 31
11/9/08 at 12:34am
I just didn't think remaking Michael Myers was necessary. And I say that as I stare at my Friday the 13th remake teaser poster above my television.
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post #14 of 31
11/9/08 at 12:54am
The boy from Spy Kids says "If I gave her a quarter, do you think she would suck my dick and let me suck her tits?" It's the absolute worst writing ever.

I'm going to re-rent the Black Christmas remake though, because I really did love it the first time I saw it.
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post #15 of 31
11/9/08 at 1:14am
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Maybe the only thing I'll give it, is that Tyler Mane as Myers was pretty decent. That said, anyone that tall in the mask could work. Still if I had to tear down some walls when remodeling a house, I'd hire him. He seemed to do that a lot.

I was actually appalled at how shitty and trashy ALL the characters were to some extent. I mean I understand we should hate a few characters, but don't make them all have the white trash trait. I guess I was really pissed that Laurie was a slut in the making.

Back in the day, I would of recommended M Night Shymalan to do this movie. Maybe I still might.
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post #16 of 31
11/9/08 at 1:51am
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I'm going to re-rent the Black Christmas remake though, because I really did love it the first time I saw it.
It's funny you say that, because when I watched it with my girlfriend I kind of dug it too. Honestly, I think it's because it had so many hot chicks.
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post #17 of 31
11/9/08 at 3:55pm
This movie was such a waste. There are worse remakes out there, but this annoys me over the others in the recent trend of remaking anything deemed scary. For all of Rob Zombie's talk of "getting" what made Michael Myers scary, he definitely dropped the ball here.

I guess I had some hope that RZ would make a decent movie, but I was very wrong on this. The only films in the franchise that are slightly worse are Curse and Resurrection. Those films are harmless, though. Zombie's movie is supposed to be a remake of one of the finest horror films ever made. Now, I have to hear my brother's friends spout off that the original "is old and boring." Ugh.

At least, The Devil's Rejects is soild.
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post #18 of 31
11/9/08 at 4:03pm
Let's not even pretend like the Black Christmas remake is anything other than a steaming pile of shit with a jagged candy cane stuffed in the middle.
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post #19 of 31
11/9/08 at 9:41pm
I was an early supporter of the remake, because though House of 1000 Corpses is complete and utter piss, a total non-movie, The Devil's Rejects suggested that Zombie had learned a bit from his mistakes, and of course, there was the horror aficionado kinship going on. I thought (hoped) he might respect the original material and still manage to do something different and interesting.
As casting news rolled in, loaded with actors culled from every horror convention you've ever been to, I started to figure out that Zombie wasn't interested in growing, but only rolling in the same shit that killed H1KC and often hamstrung The Devil's Rejects. Apparently this is very much the case, or so I've read from trusted critics (the aforementioned CHUD reviews) and heard from trusted friends. I still haven't seen it, I probably will someday, but it'll be out of happenstance rather than immediate curiosity. Same goes for the Black Christmas remake, something I barely even thought about when it was announced and somehow thought even less about when it was released.
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post #20 of 31
11/9/08 at 10:30pm
This is pretty much the best scene in House of 1000 Corpses. Zombie has shown promise, he really needs to get out of the whole hicksploitation corner he's put himself in and I have a feeling he's becoming the Kevin Smith of horror.
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post #21 of 31
11/9/08 at 11:40pm
2 words can sum up this movie.Eye Rape
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post #22 of 31
11/10/08 at 1:19pm
The only thing that really lingers about Zombie's take, is that nothing lingered. I watched it, enjoyed it for what it was, but that's it. No scenes or kills stuck with me, whereas the original I can talk about how great Jamie Lee Curtis was in one scene, or how nasty a kill Michael commited in another, and how Carpenter's direction would make a scene more dynamic, etc. Zombie's was just... there.

I liked House of 1,000 Corpses, I liked Devil's Rejects, I even liked his trailer in Grindhouse. Zombie's best doing his own stuff, not someone elses.
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post #23 of 31
11/10/08 at 1:46pm
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I was actually appalled at how shitty and trashy ALL the characters were to some extent. I mean I understand we should hate a few characters, but don't make them all have the white trash trait.
I guess the old maxim, "Write what you know", stuck with RZ pretty firmly. I haven't seen this yet, and I'm of 2 minds about it. The original is one of my favorite films of all time, so I don't want to see it get pissed on by what is to all accounts an inferior remake. But at the same time, I am curious what he did with the origin, and sometimes it's funny to see how bad something truly crappy really is. But I have the sneaking suspicion neither of the reasons militating in favor of seeing it will be satisfactorily fulfilled on an actual viewing. Maybe if it's ever on Cable. . .
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post #24 of 31
11/13/08 at 9:31am
The making of doc is ten times better than the film itself. It's worth a watch for the deleted stuff with Malcolm McDowell and Udo Kier alone.
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post #25 of 31
11/13/08 at 3:15pm
I was very wary about this movie being remade. It sounded like a bad idea. I thought I would be surprised if it was received well. Now that it's been out there for a while I clearly see I was right on the money. I don't get the "it was OK vibe", there is real hate for this flick. I don't think I'll ever bring myself to see this flick based on these comments. Thanks everyone for keeping me on the right track and avoiding this film. I wish I could find a video clip. It was released on the MTV site and it was an interview with Zombie and he was actually giving reason the first film had some problems that he hoped to remedy. That was the first sign of trouble.
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post #26 of 31
11/13/08 at 5:09pm
Iggy, this will tell you everything you need to know about Zombie's Halloween. In fact, the only thing terrifying about the movie is how many supposed horror fans I've spoken to think this is a great movie "'cuz it totally gets you in Mikey's head and makes you understand what makes him tick!!!"
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post #27 of 31
11/13/08 at 5:48pm
These are the same people who were so psyched to see "Tommy Hewitt"'s backstory. Horror fans are the worst part of horror.
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post #28 of 31
11/13/08 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
Iggy, this will tell you everything you need to know about Zombie's Halloween. In fact, the only thing terrifying about the movie is how many supposed horror fans I've spoken to think this is a great movie "'cuz it totally gets you in Mikey's head and makes you understand what makes him tick!!!"
Y'know, I haven't seen any Halloween flicks beyond III, and that wasn't MM related. So I know nothing of the mythology beyond them finding the word "Samhain" scrawled on the wall of the school. I am curious to see how they played this out, but having tried to sit thru a screening of IV and been utterly unable to do so, the thought of sitting thru - how many more are there? IV, V & H2O? - is so unpalatable its beaten my curiosity, and I'll probably never see any of the others and learn the whole story (pre RZ, of course). And that may be for the best. The air of mystery, the unexplained reasons for Michael's rampage, single minded obsession, and apparently supernatural abilities, kind of make it scarier. Getting inside his head might actually detract from the place I'm at now with the Michael Myers mythology.
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post #29 of 31
11/13/08 at 6:50pm
H20 ignored 4-6 and should get a little credit for going back to basics. That 4-6 cult nonsense is best forgotten. But every last one - 2, 4, 8, RZ - just detracts from the simple power of the original.
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post #30 of 31
11/14/08 at 12:59pm
To some extent you're right, obviously. But the geek in me can't help but think the whole Celtic myth thing they hint at in 2 is just so fucking cool. PArticularly so if, like me, you haven't watched any more of them & that mystery remains just that: an unsolved mystery. Finding out Michael was beaten by a drunken white trash dad adds nothing whatsoever to the mystique.
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post #31 of 31
11/14/08 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
Iggy, this will tell you everything you need to know about Zombie's Halloween. In fact, the only thing terrifying about the movie is how many supposed horror fans I've spoken to think this is a great movie "'cuz it totally gets you in Mikey's head and makes you understand what makes him tick!!!"
Thanks for that clip. That confirmed this movie looks horrible, what the hell is that. There is nothing at all about this strange story line in the original, which in my opinion made the original scary. When Michael's parents come home and find him with the knife and clown suit that is scary... but this white trash angle adds nothing but make the Michael Myers back story blah and un-imaginative.
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