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Mean Streets

post #1 of 16
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Is this the forgotten Scorsese? Gritty. Raw. Personal. It's still my favorite from the master. (Almost anti-Coppola) The use of Rock n' Roll music as a storytelling tool, now a trademark, makes the film feel alive. "Jumping Jack Flash" may be the musical cue of his career.

The characters of Johnny Boy and Charlie are grounded in flaws that we can all identify with. There are six degrees of separation from these characters' relationships and problems that people even not from an urban environment or NYC can understand. (Love that moment where Charlie mumbles aloud his usually internal monologue to God, cracking his friends up. /paraphrasing 'I'm trying, Lord. I'm trying'/ There's something moving in his sincerity; his genuine concern for his troubled friend and resulting conflict with family duty and neighborhood reputation/respectibility)

Talk about great performances-star-making if you will. Both Harvey Keitel and (especially) Robert DeNiro become generational icons through this movie. There was a desperate Method reality, a sense of danger, to DeNiro that's fascinating to behold. Not since Brando had an Actor been so revolutionary.

The phrase "No Future" was bantered about by the Punk movement by decade's end. That's perhaps the best way to describe the jarring and abrupt final moments of the film. Wow. Hits hard. Devastating.

So, anyone else love this film? When compared to the rest of Scorsese's crime dramas, is it fair to say it holds its own?
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
Is this the forgotten Scorsese?
Not by anyone in my world. Do the kids today not eat up Mean Streets? "You can't call me a mook. What's a mook?"

Netflix Who's That Knocking At My Door for a larval version of similar territory.
post #3 of 16
I don't think any of my friends have seen Mean Streets or even heard of it. I'm not particularly sure if that speaks to the company I keep or younger people in general. That being said I think Mean Streets belongs in the conversation of his "best films" along with Goodfellas, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver.
post #4 of 16
Absolutely. It might not speak to a certain class of people, but there can't possibly be a fan of film to whom it doesn't appeal.
post #5 of 16
Certainly there can't be a fan of Scorsese to whom it doesn't appeal. Not even Last Temptation is this personal.

It is the anti-Godfather, but I don't think there's any intention there (not that that's what you were implying). It's just his environment and issues totally unfiltered. I do remember reading that a lot of wiseguys said they much preferred this film to The Godfather, though.
post #6 of 16
It may be my favorite Scorsese just because of how gritty and funny and spontaneous it is. And DeNiro in this and King of Comedy is a revelation to anyone who just knows him as the quiet tough guy kind of roles he's been taking the past decade or so.

This movie is also an obvious influence on the work of Tarantino. The low-ranking gangsters, the focus on character above plot, the pop music soundtrack, all huge influences.
post #7 of 16
For some reason, I've never gotten around to seeing this film. Thank you for the reminder on it...I will remedy that error asap.
post #8 of 16
Also - Damone's older brother. And Philbin from Phantom of the Paradise.
post #9 of 16
I think there are other Scorseses which are more ignored by the masses (Age of Innocence, cough), but it's definitely the least known of his gangster/machismo pictures. Scorsese is probably my favorite living filmmaker, so it's hard for me to rank his movies, but I'd put this in the top five, and it's definitely one I watch whenever I need some inspiration about my own "career." There's a young man's energy to it that is infectious, and I have to agree, the music cues in this are just tops.

I would have sworn I started a thread on this a while back that had some more articulate thoughts, and I know Patrick's also written in depth on it.
post #10 of 16
One of my favorite film. I was flipping through the channels on TV when I came across the scene where Keitel is drunk and the camera is just following him stumble around until he lies down, all while "Rubber Biscuit" plays. This was when I was beginning to see film as something other than just something to pass the time and it just really made a huge impact on me.
Also, it has one of the best opening credits ever.
I'm guessing none of my friends have even heard of this movie. I'll have to start talking this movie up.
post #11 of 16
"Be My Baby" is one of the best use of music for a main credits sequence ever.

I rented this about 4 years ago, since I had heard it was Scorsese's first gangster flick. It's a great flick, and I own the deluxe dvd of it.

Major highlight: Robert Carradine shooting his brother David Carradine a bunch of times, all the while David Carradine is drunk out of his skull, and still has enough fight left in him to attack Robert.
post #12 of 16
Great movie. I don't think it ranks up there with Raging Bull or Taxi Driver as one of Marty's best, but I have a strong love for Mean Streets.

The soundtrack is completely awesome.
post #13 of 16
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Agree with Patrick, the movie really is quite hilarious.

If friends and I are ever arguing about money or the check, to defuse the situation someone will start riffing on that classic Charlie/ Johnny Boy exchange:
/paraphrasing/ "What's this?" "Wha..?" "This." "Wha..?" "What is this?" "Wha.?" "Where did you get this?" "Heeey. You're makin' me look bad here."
Strikes everybody funny every time. So many lines have become part of the personal lexicon, "Have a seven and seven. It's good for both of youse." "I'm gonna paaaaay him!!!" "Twenty dollars? Let's go to the movies!"

DeNiro is just amazing. Love how as the movie goes along, he becomes more and more high strung. Until, at last, he completely unravels; blowing up, sealing his (and Charlie's) doom.

As Eko mentioned, drunken David Carradine is one of the most unusual cameos ever. Think he just stumbles, slurs, and gets shot.

Also love the way Scorsese shot the pool room brawl. Chaotic. Sloppy. And awkward. So real.
post #14 of 16
"You know what? I fuck you right where you breathe. Cos I don't give two shits about you or nobody else."

MEAN STREETS is the shit.
post #15 of 16
I had the chance to watch this in a crowded theatre and the experience was fantastic, the crowd laughed through most of the film, as Ripoll mentioned, it really is quite funny, the exchanges between Charlie and his friends are great. Johnny Boy's antics got a big laugh from the audience.

It's amazing to see how different this film is from all Scorsese's other films, the handheld shots, the gritty locations, it has a punk-rock energy that's really quite invigorating.
post #16 of 16

According to the awesome search function we're running with these days there are three threads for Mean Streets in this section of the forum, I guess as a result of the shithouse old search function. The older one is just a bunch of crap about Rounders and Joel Schumacher, but there's also a decent one started by Rath.

 

http://www.chud.com/community/forum/thread/103285/mean-streets-1973

 

I just chose this one because it's the most populated.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post

Also love the way Scorsese shot the pool room brawl. Chaotic. Sloppy. And awkward. So real.

 

I agree with everything in your post except this last bit Elvis. The fight scenes all through it feel less like fights and more like improvised dance to me, especially the pool room brawl where the camera follows three guys as they stumble around the walls. There is an awkwardness, but to me it feels like it comes from actors acting awkward and not the way a real fight gets awkward, so the sloppiness feels feigned.

 

But I'm totally with you that it's real funny and so much of the dialogue is gold in the mouths of these guys and gals.

 

"Hey, sorry lady! I'm sorry! I hate that lady with a passion ... with a vengeance."

 

 

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