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post #51 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Do you know how many CHUD stalkers you're going to net by being so effin' upbeat?
Not nearly as many as if I posted some really nasty, racist stuff to get people angry. Or pictures of my boobies.

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Yeah, "colored" is ignorant and inappropriate, but it's not really hateful or even malicious.
Oh, it certainly can be hateful and malicious, as in my example. But people can also slip up. This is one word that while it is indeed offensive, the context of its usage and the intent behind it need to be taken into consideration. Hell, I think my grandmother still thinks it is the PC term to use. I can see how some people, particularly those who are basically surrounded by white people and might know of that "one nice enough black family down the street" might not realize how offensive it is. People absolutely should be corrected when they make the mistake, but please don't label them racist straight away. Unless, of course, they're obviously being racist.

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But when someone calls Mrs. O a "negress", look out.
A what? Is that even a word? Anyway, when people are really being hateful I find ignoring them is more effective than responding.
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post #52 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Yeah but they're all from Africa in the first place. There were no blacks in the Caribbean 500 years ago.
Well conceptually that refers to their ethnicity. In how people are racialized, particularly in the US, black is a more encompassing term than African-American.
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post #53 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Not saying it isn't true, but that's debatable.
Absolutely. And I wasn´t entirely serious about it. But I think sensitivities regarding this issue are way different in the states compared to Europe since we don´t share the same history regarding blacks and the proportion of our societies regarding blacks is significant lesser. We tend to have our own racial semantic problems in regard to other ethnicities.
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post #54 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
A what? Is that even a word?
Enjoy. You'll laugh for the full 67 seconds.
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post #55 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Aside from the appropriateness of the term, I just find it funny that Lindsay is talking like an eighty-year old southerner. The term is quite outdated.
That's what it is. This is the short version of part of what I'm trying to say. It's outdated more than out and out racist. People like my nearly 80 year old grandmother grew up using the term because it was more PC than, well, other words. Who knows what words we commonly use today will be un-PC in 50+ years?
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post #56 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Enjoy. You'll laugh for the full 67 seconds.
Um. wow.
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post #57 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Enjoy. You'll laugh for the full 67 seconds.
C' mon, cut ole' Abe a break. It was a PC term back in his day!
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post #58 of 123
11/11/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
Um. wow.
Here's the rest.
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post #59 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Enjoy. You'll laugh for the full 67 seconds.
That surely is weird if not offensive today. But wasn´t Enterprise the first series featuring a kiss between a white and a black person, namely Kirk and Uhura as well?

Times are a-changing I guess.
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post #60 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:01pm
Preferred term: moolie.
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post #61 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Preferred term: moolie.
I love this definition on Urban Dictionary

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A derivative of the Italian word "melanzana" which means "eggplant". Moolie was used by Italian immigrants to describes blacks, since blacks tend to have elongated heads and dark skin, sort of resembling eggplants.
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post #62 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Okay, now I'm laughing. And forwarding that to someone I know who must have missed those episodes when they were first on...
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post #63 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:07pm
In certain parts of Philly, a racist will be telling a story, and instead of saying, "and in comes this black guy...", they'll say "and in comes..."(waves hand down across own face). It's fucking weird.
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post #64 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:19pm
Dude. Phil. I'm not wearing my glasses and I so totally misread your custom title.

Oh, and that is weird. Is it supposed to be like putting on black-face makeup or something?
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post #65 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:22pm
It's just a brief, wordless gesture - open palm, sweeping down over the face. I have no idea why it exists.

What did you misread it as? My mind is reeling with the possibilities.
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post #66 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:33pm
Probably "Learned to love the rape." And really, who doesn't?
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post #67 of 123
11/11/08 at 6:48pm
Maybe in 2012 we'll get our first queer president.
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post #68 of 123
11/11/08 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Dear National Association for the Advancement of Colored People,

Sorry I said colored.

Lindsay
I was wondering if anyone was picking up on that. I went back and forth on whether to spell it out myself. Now I just need a celebrity to call black people "Negroes" so I can make a too-subtle reference to the UNCF.
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post #69 of 123
11/11/08 at 8:52pm
If you're not actually an African immigrant, "black" is just fine.

As for the Lohan.....whatever. The term colored's really dumb, especially because it's mostly very stupid pink people who use it, but hateful, in this context, it ain't.
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post #70 of 123
11/11/08 at 8:55pm
Jesus English is supposedly my first language and I had very little idea about the yank cultural sensitivity to the term 'coloured' - Craig certainly wouldn't have.

This is just another seppo cultural thing the rest of the world just shakes its head at.

...and Lohan looks like she's getting ready to go on the Trashbag Tour of The World with Amy Whinehouse for chrissake
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post #71 of 123
11/11/08 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
As for the Lohan.....whatever. The term colored's really dumb, especially because it's mostly very stupid pink people who use it, but hateful, in this context, it ain't.
Nailed it.
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post #72 of 123
11/12/08 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
If you're not actually an African immigrant, "black" is just fine.

As for the Lohan.....whatever. The term colored's really dumb, especially because it's mostly very stupid pink people who use it, but hateful, in this context, it ain't.
Right here.

But in order to prove how sorry she is, she'll need to have a meeting with Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton and have a real discussion about the word, it's history, and what she's learned from all of this.

And then off to rehab she goes.
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post #73 of 123
11/12/08 at 2:42am
You've got to be kidding me. I'm sure Lohan has had to identify someone black in her life, and you mean to tell me she's been saying "that colored guy". Sorry, but no one with half a brain who's watched a little network TV and seen a few modern films has that term sitting on the edge of their tongue. This is really bizarre.
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post #74 of 123
11/12/08 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
and you mean to tell me she's been saying "that colored guy".
Ummm....that's not really what she said. She said "He's our first colored President." Not, "hey, look at that colored guy who's President." There's some context here that needs to be taken into account.
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post #75 of 123
11/12/08 at 11:49am
Can't the term "person of colour" be used to refer to all people with pigmented skin? I remember on CNN recently a Hispanic commentator saying to a black commentator "as a fellow person of colour...". I recognize that the term "coloured people" is different and has usually been a reference to black people, but I can see how someone might reasonably interchange them without being fully aware of the implications.

Maybe Lohan was making the point that Obama is America's first non-white President, not just its first black President.
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post #76 of 123
11/12/08 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Graynadian View Post
Maybe Lohan was making the point that Obama is America's first non-white President, not just its first black President.
You seem to give a lot of credence to a person that is barely capable of forming a sentence without some stimulating substances to enhance her performance.
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post #77 of 123
11/12/08 at 11:58am
Let me know when someone (preferably over the age of 60) uses the term "mulatto" to describe Obama.
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post #78 of 123
11/12/08 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg View Post
Let me know when someone (preferably over the age of 60) uses the term "mulatto" to describe Obama.
I want to hear hi-yella.
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post #79 of 123
11/12/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker
But in order to prove how sorry she is, she'll need to have a meeting with Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton and have a real discussion about the word, it's history, and what she's learned from all of this.
Arnie should meet with Jesse Jackson to apologise for his surname.
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post #80 of 123
11/12/08 at 1:17pm
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1477/satur...rd-association
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post #81 of 123
11/12/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
I want to hear hi-yella.
Too late, my 84 year-old great-aunt already used this when she was endlessly berating me for voting for 'the socialist'. Oddly enough, her 79 year-old brother is the same guy who called me after the Obama DNC speech to gush over him and speculate that 'I don't know how anyone could vote against this guy.'

The times, they are a-changin'. Diapers.
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post #82 of 123
11/12/08 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
It's not the years, Cap. It's the mileage.
Like clockwork.
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post #83 of 123
11/12/08 at 1:48pm
Watching that video a few times last night, I think she's just mumbled the word "good" but who knows?

If she did say colored, it's funny coming from someone who's from LONG ISLAND.
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post #84 of 123
11/12/08 at 2:51pm
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post #85 of 123
11/12/08 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Ummm....that's not really what she said. She said "He's our first colored President." Not, "hey, look at that colored guy who's President." There's some context here that needs to be taken into account.
Way to take what I said literally. I know that's not what she said. I'm referring to the world "colored", whatever context it's used in, and who in their right mind living in 2008 would use the term in any sentence referring to a black person. She wasn't even alive pre-1980.
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post #86 of 123
11/13/08 at 3:02am
We could do like Avery Brooks, and say he's "brown".

But then, well, we'd all feel really silly.
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post #87 of 123
11/13/08 at 10:29am
Fun fact: newspapers in the Philippines covered the election using the terms, "the white candidate" and "the black candidate."
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post #88 of 123
11/13/08 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Dax View Post
We could do like Avery Brooks, and say he's "brown".

But then, well, we'd all feel really silly.
Or "suntanned".
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post #89 of 123
11/13/08 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
I'm referring to the world "colored", whatever context it's used in, and who in their right mind living in 2008 would use the term in any sentence referring to a black person.
Aside from the Daniel Craig quote, I remember a Howard Stern broadcast from not that long ago where they gave stuttering John a bunch of shit for calling someone a "colored guy".
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post #90 of 123
11/13/08 at 6:30pm
If she said our first "good" President, that makes he even more of an idiot.
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post #91 of 123
11/14/08 at 3:47pm
This seems to be an ignorance thing and CLEARLY not an Imus or Michael Richards thing. But Devin's post did remind me of an old post of mine from another (NAACP to hold funeral for 'N' word) thread:

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
NAACP, how long before a mock funeral for the antiquated term "Colored People"?
Why hasn't the NAACP (of all things) changed their acronym if it's so offensive? You'd think they'd set the standard for what is acceptable.
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post #92 of 123
11/14/08 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Jesus English is supposedly my first language and I had very little idea about the yank cultural sensitivity to the term 'coloured' - Craig certainly wouldn't have.

This is just another seppo cultural thing the rest of the world just shakes its head at.

...and Lohan looks like she's getting ready to go on the Trashbag Tour of The World with Amy Whinehouse for chrissake
Ha, I thought I was alone in finding this whole apparent controversy a bit bewildering. Personally I think life's too short to get upset about a word being used in an obviously non-derogatory context. Uhura was on to something in that Star Trek clip with that bit about not fearing words.

But yeah, Lohan's lifestyle does appear to be catching up with her at an alarming rate.
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post #93 of 123
11/14/08 at 9:06pm
So a black person here is called an African-American, but a black person in Britain is called....

What?
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post #94 of 123
11/14/08 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
So a black person here is called an African-American, but a black person in Britain is called....

What?
A black man/woman.

Or, if you prefer, "That Black English guy."
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post #95 of 123
11/14/08 at 9:43pm
"Stringer Bell" usually works for me.
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post #96 of 123
11/14/08 at 11:51pm
That's some interview. I'm surprised no one on this thread has analyzed her in depth discussion of leggings, focusing instead on the use of one outdated slang term.

Man, that Lindsey: The mind of a 13 year old in the body of a 50 year old. The perfect...wait a minute...
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post #97 of 123
11/15/08 at 12:00am
Oh Lindsay, what crazy hijinks will you get into next.
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post #98 of 123
11/15/08 at 4:43pm
See, the purveyors of proper english call black people black. I don't see why we have to use African-American. It should be shortened to American. I suppose it's just something from the past that stuck on though.

Colored isn't acceptable though. It's about as acceptable as red skins in relation to Native Americans.
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post #99 of 123
11/15/08 at 5:43pm
This is random, but I have a friend who is in a band called Honest Engines. One day we're sitting around with a bunch of people and someone starts saying that its offensive as a play on honest injun. The upshot was that I had no idea "injun" was considered a slur. I thought it was just bad pronunciation. To my fellow clueless white people, is this common knowledge?
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post #100 of 123
11/15/08 at 5:52pm
Injun' being offensive is common knowledge. I think using any variation of Indian, instead of Native American, is pretty much outdated at this point. Kind of like the band name, though.
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