While I don't care much for Kevin Smith as a director, I've always felt he knows how to write a compelling superhero comic. Now he's shifted his focus to Batman, and it's darker than I expected, but I'm not sure if it comes off that well. It comes out today (I think) so, if you see it at your shop you should pick it up just to see what it's all about.
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11/13/08 at 12:55am
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Finally got to read it. It's nice to see Smith using the Rogues Gallery so well. Hell, I think this is the best that Maxie Zeus has been written in years.
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Is this the first time Joker has been so bisexualesque?
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A Serious House on a Serious Earth brought up some questions of his sexuality and whether or not it was him "joking" or a part of his psychosis in which he subconsciously reinvents himself every day. But this definitely took that notion and ran with it.
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11/13/08 at 10:24pm
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I always thought the Joker took it up the ass. So many times in Blackgate and Arkham, eventually Killer Croc sticks you.
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11/14/08 at 4:22am
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Not a big fan of Smith's comic work but this issue was ok and ive never seen Flanagans work before but i liked it.
I'm not an avid Batman reader so i didn't know this Mr. Zsasz character but Smith just seemed to be paying homage to Michael Mann's Manhunter with similarities to Francis Dollarhyde and then made him quote Tom Wilkinson's character inMichael Clayton with his "I am Shiva, The God of Death" spiel?
I'm not an avid Batman reader so i didn't know this Mr. Zsasz character but Smith just seemed to be paying homage to Michael Mann's Manhunter with similarities to Francis Dollarhyde and then made him quote Tom Wilkinson's character inMichael Clayton with his "I am Shiva, The God of Death" spiel?
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Just finished a review for CHUD. Should be up in a day or two.
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11/14/08 at 7:43pm
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Nice. I hadn't heard about this. This coming from a guy who owns Smith's Green Aarow run.
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It was alright. Flanagan's art was much more impressive than I expected.
The writing was solid, loved his take on Deadshot.
Now let's just see if Smith actually puts it out on time. That'd be a first.
The writing was solid, loved his take on Deadshot.
Now let's just see if Smith actually puts it out on time. That'd be a first.
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11/15/08 at 12:20am
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Haven't read it, but I must quote Chris Sims' review. Because it is awesome. (Spoilers?)
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| This is not the worst comic book I have ever read. It’s not the worst Batman comic by far, and it’s actually not the worst Kevin Smith comic book either, as that title is still held by Spider-Man/Black Cat, and the less said about that one, the better. So no, not the worst by a long shot. That said, it is still pretty Goddamn terrible. Seriously, I don’t even know where to begin with this thing, but I guess I’ll start by saying that for the first three pages, where Smith sets things up with the story of a laid-off Arkham guard selling secrets to the underworld, it’s actually pretty good. It’s a nice setup, and it works well in the context of a world that can’t seem to keep its most dangerous criminals locked up for more than a couple of story arcs. But then you hit page four, and once the Joker starts talking about his pubic hair, everything goes straight to hell. Batman: Cacophony is what you’d get if you asked a twelve year old to write his idea of an “adult” comic: Everyone wears trenchcoats so that you know they’re super-badass, and there’s a string of sex jokes–continuing through the almost obligatory anal sex joke right on through Mr. Zsasz talking about cutting his penis because that’s the only spot he has left–that’s just embarrassing for everyone concerned. Not because they’re sex jokes, but–again–because they’re the sex jokes a kid trying to sound edgy and grown up writes in his fan-fiction. Which is pretty much what this is, but without the level of quality control you get from the online community that actually wants to read about the Mad Hatter trying to fuck the Joker. And the rest of it’s just as awful. I actually did enjoy Batman’s appearance in Smith’s run on Green Arrow, but the more I look at this thing, the more I realize that was because Batman kept his mouth shut for most of that one. I mean, dialogue’s supposed to be Smith’s forte, but seriously, the easiest way to improve this thing would be to just take out Smith’s ham-fisted narration, where Batman grunts his way through the laughably maudlin (”Don’t worry, kids… the monster can’t hurt you anymore” and “Two people who somehow found each other in an otherwise horrible world. Like my PARENTS”) or the downright stupid (”I crash Zsasz’s unholy briss,” in which “bris” is misspelled, and “Baruch haba, SCUMBAG,” which I think speaks for itself). Cut those out, and the fight with Zsasz at least gets readable, but then you’ve got to deal with… well, with the rest of it. Which of course brings us to Onomatopoeia. Now, I’ve mentioned before that I actually like Onomatopoeia as a villain, but probably not for the reason I’m supposed to. To me, he just seems like one of those goofy Silver Age villains that got a dark and gritty revamp in the ’90s, only there was never any Silver Age Onomatopoeia running around robbing the Radio Museum or whatever, which somehow makes him even funnier. But he’s not exactly the sort of character that I can buy as presenting a legitimate threat to Batman, and Smith knows that, so he goes to one of the oldest, laziest, and worst tricks in the comics writer’s handbook, and has him saunter into the story and take out someone who does: in this case, Deadshot. It’s a cheap trick that panders to the same crowd that wanders around talking about how Gambit could totally kill the Silver Surfer by charging up his board, spouting trivia without learning that there’s a greater narrative structure at work. He is essentially telling us that Onomatopoeia is as powerful as ten Gokus. As for the art, well… Look. I’m not trying to rag on Walt Flanagan here, because let’s be honest: If I was an artist and my friend was writing a Batman story and he wanted me to draw it, I’d totally do it. And if Smith wanted Flanagan for the job, there’s no reason for DC to say no, because, c’mon, it’s not like any Kevin Smith fans are going to be upset that Steve-Dave’s sidekick from Mallrats is drawing Batman, and to be honest, he actually does a heck of a lot better than I expected. It’s a fantastic opportunity for him and I’ve got nothing but love for a guy who’s chasing the dream, but none of that changes the fact that there are a lot of sections where the art is amateurish. Nothing glaring, but there are rookie mistakes like the panel where Onomatopoeia’s holding two water pistols in his tiny hands at the end of a pair of very out of proportion arms, and in a book with a company’s flagship character, that stuff sticks out. So for those of you who didn’t have the patience to get through seven paragraphs about this thing, here’s the short version: It is rough, but since it’s Kevin Smith writing Batman, I’m pretty sure that most of you guys are going to pick it up anyway, because, hell: I did, and I knew better going into it. Fortunately, my curiosity’s been taken care of, and when the next two issues roll out sometime in 2011, I can be sure to avoid those. |
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He and I had the same opinion on the art, but I gave the writing a more positive review.
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A co-worker let me barrow this on break. I did not like how Zsasz was drawn. It was the bald head that got to me and the fact he looked like a burn victim. As far as story goes. Loved it. The joker was dead on
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Eh, Zsasz's redesign didn't bug me, since the character has gone from serial killer to merc and back to serial killer.
Joker's hypersexuality was a little off-putting (since he's never acted that way before, especially considering Bats) so I'd say it was flawed there.
As for the story....ok, random guy who talks in SFX breaks out the Joker, and Maxie Zeus gets pissy.
nothing special.
Joker's hypersexuality was a little off-putting (since he's never acted that way before, especially considering Bats) so I'd say it was flawed there.
As for the story....ok, random guy who talks in SFX breaks out the Joker, and Maxie Zeus gets pissy.
nothing special.
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It was definitely better than 'nothing special', but it still needs to pick up its game in the next issue of it's going to work.
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Compared to the last few years of Batman comics I've read, it does feel like nothing special if I disregard the "celeb" creative team.
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For some reason I can see the Joker being into some violent sex acts. Shocker,being one and the other is Pie in the eye. Where he jacks off in his hand and then smashing it into someones face.
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If someone had handed me that book and I didn't know it was Kevin Smith, I still would have said the story has potential and the art is kind of iffy.
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