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post #151 of 2289
7/25/09 at 3:22pm
Well, it's a much better name, and more accurate.
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post #152 of 2289
7/25/09 at 4:12pm
Now, if Martin's pace continues at such a rate that HBO demands he speed it up, I'll definitely quit the series.
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post #153 of 2289
7/25/09 at 4:30pm
I just checked Martin's blog, and while it sounds like he has a habit of instilling false hope, he's just recently announced that he's gotten some momentum going--maybe the mere fact that they're adapting the series has gotten him fired up again? Plus, you've got to figure that the publisher would love to have a new book out in time for the TV show.

I don't know, like I say, I'm still in the first flush of enthusiasm for this series, so maybe that's what's making me cut him some slack, but it kinda sounds like Martin is dealing with the trickiest part of his narrative so far--that he has this time-jump to negotiate around. It's possible that once he gets past this the words will flow more easily.

That said, outside pressure forcing an author to "rush" a book is neither rare nor necessarily a bad thing. It's authors who have no pressure whatsoever that get lazy and self-indulgent.
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post #154 of 2289
7/25/09 at 6:31pm
I like the Song title better than Thrones. It's more... poetic. Fuck it. I do agree that the series may end up surpassing the books.
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post #155 of 2289
7/25/09 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
What? Is it:
Warning, major spoiler/speculation. Seriously, you might not want to know.

No, It's that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar and Ned's sister.

I never thought of it, but when someone brought it up to me, it seems quite obvious.
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post #156 of 2289
7/26/09 at 12:25am
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Warning, major spoiler/speculation. Seriously, you might not want to know.

No, It's that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar and Ned's sister.

I never thought of it, but when someone brought it up to me, it seems quite obvious.
Woah! Never heard that theory before!

EDIT: Sorry, that was kind of jackassy.
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post #157 of 2289
7/26/09 at 8:23am
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I'm crying because you're actually waiting for a Melody Rawn book.
Well I started reading her many, many years ago (prob late junior high/early high school like Overlord) and I'm not actively waiting on the book. Just a completionist. I hate unfinished stories (which is why I'll finish WOT whenever they come out, even though that series jumped the shark long ago).
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post #158 of 2289
7/26/09 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton View Post
Warning, major spoiler/speculation. Seriously, you might not want to know.

No, It's that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar and Ned's sister.

I never thought of it, but when someone brought it up to me, it seems quite obvious.
Now that you mention it, it does. Add that detail to what I wrote and the picture is much more complete...

I really hope the series indeed pull a Dexter and goes it's own way.
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post #159 of 2289
7/26/09 at 1:55pm
Honestly, I'm kind of dubious this show would get to a fifth season anyway. Rome got two, Deadwood got three, and Carnivale got two. This would presumably be a similar series, logistically--I would sort of hope they could find a way to save money, but if Deadwood broke the bank I don't see why this wouldn't. And as a few people have pointed out, the cost would probably increase every season. So unless it's a substantial hit, it may remain just as unfinished as the book series, sadly.
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post #160 of 2289
7/26/09 at 2:26pm
I have a hard time seeing this series getting to 5 seasons. I hope that HBO has learned some clever cost-cutting tricks, but it seems they'll either have to break the bank by season 3 or deviate greatly from the scale of book 3. However, Battlestar Galactica was costly and yet critical praise persuaded the producers not to skimp on the budget. HBO is not likely to draw similar numbers for a pay network fantasy series though, so I hope they plan ahead in the event the show is successful.
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post #161 of 2289
7/26/09 at 3:01pm
Thing is, there isn't an awful lot of fantasy in these books. No flashy magic, no monsters. You've got some epic battles, but for the most part, it's countrysides and castles.
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post #162 of 2289
7/26/09 at 3:10pm
You're right. I can see something akin to the Tudors. But will the few fantasy elements actually BE the draw for those not familiar with the series? Plus, I'm wondering if the producers feel the need to make the Others a more persistent presence, rather than having them disappear for long stretches as in the books.
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post #163 of 2289
7/26/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Thing is, there isn't an awful lot of fantasy in these books. No flashy magic, no monsters. You've got some epic battles, but for the most part, it's countrysides and castles.
Particularly the first few books, in which this is most definitely a world that has lost its magic/mojo.
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post #164 of 2289
7/26/09 at 3:49pm
The baby dragons only show up for a few seconds at the end of season one. The one time we actually meet a child of the forest it's pretty subtle and it can pretty much be done with prosthetics. The Others have only been in a few scenes in the entire series of books, have they? And most of those can be shot in the style of Predator/Friday the 13th with them just being "things in the bushes".
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post #165 of 2289
7/26/09 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Thing is, there isn't an awful lot of fantasy in these books. No flashy magic, no monsters. You've got some epic battles, but for the most part, it's countrysides and castles.
But there is plenty of intrigue and soap opera-ish elements. IF they do it right then there is no reason why it couldn't go for 5 seasons.
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post #166 of 2289
7/26/09 at 4:10pm
I was speaking more to cost. This isn't LOTR or Harry Potter, with elves and fairies and spells floating around. I imagine the costumes will be the most expensive part of the show.
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post #167 of 2289
7/26/09 at 4:18pm
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I was speaking more to cost. This isn't LOTR or Harry Potter, with elves and fairies and spells floating around. I imagine the costumes will be the most expensive part of the show.
I think the actors would be more expensive than the costumes.
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post #168 of 2289
7/26/09 at 4:32pm
I meant from a design and FX standpoint.
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post #169 of 2289
7/26/09 at 4:42pm
Clarified that enough now Richard?
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post #170 of 2289
7/26/09 at 6:22pm
I meant on Tuesdays.
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post #171 of 2289
7/26/09 at 8:35pm
Well, there wasn't any fantastical stuff on Rome or Deadwood either, and those two series were apparently ungodly expensive. Carnivale was technically fantasy, but of the subtle variety, and again, huge price tag.

I like to think they could indeed pull off the first season on a reasonable budget, but if simply stocking a recreation of an old west town--Deadwood's only actual setting--cost as much as it apparently did, I shudder to think what the sets and costumes for this could cost. Not to mention the cast (apparently paying the sprawling cast was a factor in the above shows' budgets, too). And that's not factoring in the CGI stuff. And there are some huge crowd scenes, plus the big battle in book 2 (though that takes place in a chaotic, smoky environment, partly on water, and if I recall correctly at night, so they can probably cheat on that one instead of using LOTR-style vast armies.)

Personally, I'd be totally cool with animatronic or stop motion dragons and a matte painting for the Wall, but that doesn't seem to be how HBO rolls. The prestige generated by these series seems to demand hefty budgets and very high production values.
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post #172 of 2289
7/27/09 at 10:32am
Because I have completely missed out on any suggestion whatsoever that Jon Snow may be Rhaegar's son, does anyone want to lay out for me the evidence in support of that theory? Pretty please.
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post #173 of 2289
7/27/09 at 10:34am
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Because I have completely missed out on any suggestion whatsoever that Jon Snow may be Rhaegar's son, does anyone want to lay out for me the evidence in support of that theory? Pretty please.
Look under past events.

http://www.towerofthehand.com/essays...den/index.html
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post #174 of 2289
7/27/09 at 11:11am
Thanks. I fully expect to have my mind blown.
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post #175 of 2289
8/4/09 at 10:12am
Winter Is Coming - Jennifer Ehle cast as Catelyn
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post #176 of 2289
8/4/09 at 10:24am
That link mentions Martin has another big announcement planned for some convention. If it's anything less than "Dragons" is finished, I don't care.

Oh, and thanks for that link the other week. It was really interesting and, to be honest, most of those clues had flown right over my head.
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post #177 of 2289
8/4/09 at 10:41am
Solid casting choice for Catelyn. Got to say, all the casting has been inspired really.
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post #178 of 2289
8/4/09 at 11:09am
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That link mentions Martin has another big announcement planned for some convention.
That "some convention" is the World Science Fiction Convention, aka Worldcon, the sci-fi equivalent of Comic Con. It's where the hand out the Hugo Awards. Been going on since 1939, and what's cool about it is that it's always in a different city -- they basically take an existing convention and designate it as that year's Worldcon. Saw a bit of the one they had here in Orlando back in '92, and while it doesn't draw anywhere near the numbers San Diego does (they've yet to break 10,000 attendees), it's a pretty big deal for authors and their fans.
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post #179 of 2289
8/4/09 at 11:12am
Ah, that's cool. I don't really follow the convention scene except to the extent it's covered on these here boards of ours. Good to know, though.
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post #180 of 2289
8/4/09 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
That "some convention" is the World Science Fiction Convention, aka Worldcon, the sci-fi equivalent of Comic Con. It's where the hand out the Hugo Awards. Been going on since 1939, and what's cool about it is that it's always in a different city -- they basically take an existing convention and designate it as that year's Worldcon. Saw a bit of the one they had here in Orlando back in '92, and while it doesn't draw anywhere near the numbers San Diego does (they've yet to break 10,000 attendees), it's a pretty big deal for authors and their fans.
I might be going. It's in Montreal.
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post #181 of 2289
8/4/09 at 11:42am
Throw Martin some Twinkies and tell him to get to work.
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post #182 of 2289
8/20/09 at 4:59pm
some casting rumors

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister
Alfie Allen as Theon Greyjoy
Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont

I'd prefer Meekus as Jaime
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post #183 of 2289
8/20/09 at 5:48pm
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some casting rumors

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister
Alfie Allen as Theon Greyjoy
Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont

I'd prefer Meekus as Jaime
I can't even remember who fucking Jorah Mormont is.
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post #184 of 2289
8/20/09 at 6:00pm
Jorah Mormont is a knight from the North, a bannerman of Ned. He was exiled for some reason years ago and, at the start of the first book/the pilot, kind of acts as a bodyguard/advisor for the Targaryen kids. He develops a crush on Dany throughout the books.
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post #185 of 2289
8/20/09 at 7:49pm
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Jorah Mormont is a knight from the North, a bannerman of Ned. He was exiled for some reason years ago and, at the start of the first book/the pilot, kind of acts as a bodyguard/advisor for the Targaryen kids. He develops a crush on Dany throughout the books.
Ah, yes. Thanks. Been awhile.
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post #186 of 2289
8/20/09 at 8:20pm
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I think he's talking about the idea that Jon Snow is really Ryegar's son, not Ned's, which has been telegraphed from the first book.
Yeah, this is what I was referring to.
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post #187 of 2289
8/20/09 at 8:24pm
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Jorah Mormont is a knight from the North, a bannerman of Ned. He was exiled for some reason years ago and, at the start of the first book/the pilot, kind of acts as a bodyguard/advisor for the Targaryen kids. He develops a crush on Dany throughout the books.
It's been awhile for me as well. I was thinking Mormont was the guy that teaches Arya swordplay in Game of Thrones.
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post #188 of 2289
8/20/09 at 9:30pm
That's Syrio Forel you're thinking of.
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post #189 of 2289
8/21/09 at 3:36am
Hollywood Reporter makes this official and adds some other names.

I dunno, the guy playing Jaime seems a little too rugged. Martin makes a big thing out of how Cersei and Jaime look almost identical except for gender. Not a big deal, I guess, but it ups the squick factor.
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post #190 of 2289
8/21/09 at 3:57am
Wow, they really filled that cast out. Uknowns is probably good, though I was hoping a couple character actors might sneak in there, a la Brad Dourif and Powers Boothe in Deadwood.
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post #191 of 2289
8/21/09 at 10:40am
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Hollywood Reporter makes this official and adds some other names.

I dunno, the guy playing Jaime seems a little too rugged. Martin makes a big thing out of how Cersei and Jaime look almost identical except for gender. Not a big deal, I guess, but it ups the squick factor.
But he a good actor, and let's face it, twins of different gender rarely look so alike btw. Genetics.

Can't wait for this.
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post #192 of 2289
8/21/09 at 10:43am
Not to nit pick and I'll certainly reserve serious judgment until I see her in action, but the girl playing Daeny needs to be way hotter.

Also, beware googling images of the guy cast as Theon as it will pop many NSFW images of him in "Equus".
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post #193 of 2289
8/21/09 at 11:10am
So I guess Cersei and Jon Stark are the last two major roles yet to be cast, right? At least for the first book.
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post #194 of 2289
8/21/09 at 11:16am
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So I guess Cersei and Jon Stark are the last two major roles yet to be cast, right? At least for the first book.
Did Bran get cast yet?
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post #195 of 2289
8/21/09 at 11:25am
Hodor!
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post #196 of 2289
8/21/09 at 1:23pm
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Did Bran get cast yet?
I don't think so, but IMO that's the one Stark sibling they could easily get rid of.
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post #197 of 2289
8/21/09 at 1:24pm
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I don't think so, but IMO that's the one Stark sibling they could easily get rid of.
I'd go with Rickon.
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post #198 of 2289
8/21/09 at 1:26pm
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I don't think so, but IMO that's the one Stark sibling they could easily get rid of.
What do you mean get rid of? For the pilot?

The last scene of the pilot is a pretty major moment that involves Jaime and Bran.

edit: some stuff from GRRM

http://winter-is-coming.blogspot.com...n-to-news.html

"Actually, we've seen a number of actors who would be great as the Hound. Speaking purely for myself, I think the hardest role to fill is Bran.

Hodor is going to be hard as well. We need to find a really big, strong actor who can convey a huge range of reactions and emotions entirely with his face, his eyes, and spoken variations of a single word. Like asking a guitarist to play a tune with only one string."
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post #199 of 2289
8/21/09 at 1:29pm
I haven't read the script of the pilot, but Bran is a key motivator of the action in the novels. Without Bran, Edd doesn't go south. That said, they could just have him die and get the same result without having to cast a decent actor.
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post #200 of 2289
8/21/09 at 1:37pm
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I haven't read the script of the pilot, but Bran is a key motivator of the action in the novels. Without Bran, Edd doesn't go south. That said, they could just have him die and get the same result without having to cast a decent actor.
I'm not sure if you've read past A Game of Thrones but it seems like GRRM is setting Bran up for something big. I don't know how you can suggest that they just kill him off in the pilot.
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