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Originally Posted by NabsterView Post

 

Even though hard sci fi doesn't have a single definition, you obviously don't understand what it is.  Written sci fi is not automatically or overwhelmingly hard sci-fi, whatever gave you this retarded notion?  And sci fi that is speculative or concerned with how technology might affect humans is also not at all automatically hard sci fi.  Hard sci-fi deals with the subset of sci-fi that emphasizes scientific detail and or scientific accuracy, or where the science and technology is the main focus, but once again, there are many definitions of it.


Go back and read my post. I acknowledge there are different subsets or subgenres of SF, some hard, some soft. I never use the terms automatically or overwhelmingly, nor do I imply them. Also: you're reacting really defensively and obnoxiously to a pretty innocuous post. I was going by what you wrote, and I didn't call you names or denigrate your thinking (i.e., call it retarded). So maybe dial back the bitter a bit?

 

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On the topic of the screen, the best sci-fi is RARELY hard sci-fi.  And on the topic of written works, I hadn't thought about it, but I would say the best sci-fi works(what I would consider to be the best) tend to not be hard(although, they can still be about science to an extent).  So, my original statement wasn't completely accurate in the realm of books.  Yes, a lot of great sci fi novels are about the science to an extent, but I don't think this is usually what makes the these works good.   And Clarke and Asimov( I've read both, so please stop with the silly assumptions) were good for their time, but how relevant are they compared to their contemporary Philip K. Dick?  Sci fi fare from Philip K. Dick has endured MUCH better, and it is MUCH better.  On the topic of Asimov, he did write hard sci fi, but he also wrote about positronic robot brains, and the spirituality of AI.  He never allowed science to stop him from doing whatever he wanted to do.

 

First, I agree with you about film; I don't think hard SF - even if we include your definition and mine - generally makes for good film. As for the rest of your post, it seems like you're conflating opinion with fact. You're certainly welcome to the opinion that the "best" (and we'd need to define what you mean by that) written SF isn't hard SF, but there are plenty of folks out there who'd disagree. Comes down to a YMMV, I would think. (Though it seems that I could be mistaken, I guess I'd consider Dick [and Gibson, for that matter] to be "hard" SF, since technology plays a central role rather than being set dressing.)


 

 

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I've had a rooting interest for Jorah if only because Iain Glen is one of my favorite That Guy, English Edition actors. His Hamlet in Rosencranz and Guildenstern Are Dead is for me among the best screen Hamlets (whether despite or because of the limited version of the role in RaGAD I care not). He's also great in the Vietnam mini-series Frankie's House from the early 90s. At the time I figured he'd go big, but it was a character actor's career for him. I was gratified to see him pop up in GoT; I'm hoping Martin lets him keep kicking ass for a good long while.

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Jorah is great.

 

Plus, you know that if Drogo bites it he's going to be all up in Dany's business.

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Jorah is great.

 

Plus, you know that if Drogo bites it he's going to be all up in Dany's business.



It's going to be a bit anti-climactic if he bites it now.  I think it would be a very interesting turn for the character if he pulled through but lost a few steps such that he could no longer keep the tribe in line through ass kickin' and throat rippin'.  Drogo and Dany trying to move the tribe toward a system of rule not based on physical might (or at least, one that manifests in ways more complicated than single combat) is rife with potential.

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I somehow infered that with Dany going into labor it's going to come between either Drogo or the baby and Dany living. The witch will either have to finish her spell or help Dany. I could be wrong, though.

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I somehow infered that with Dany going into labor it's going to come between either Drogo or the baby and Dany living. The witch will either have to finish her spell or help Dany. I could be wrong, though.



No, that seems like the most obvious route.  But I've been so wrong about where the show has been going (or at least, the speed at which it was moving there) at every point, I'm hesitant to make any kind of predictions.

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I somehow infered that with Dany going into labor it's going to come between either Drogo or the baby and Dany living. The witch will either have to finish her spell or help Dany. I could be wrong, though.


This may be a little too '24' for my liking.  

 

post #1608 of 2289

Eh, I could be wrong. But it seems pretty telegraphed to me. The witch having to be alone with Drogo to work her spell while being the only one who can help Dany? I don't see how they wouldn't go there. Maybe Jorah walking in breaks the spell. Maybe he pulls his sword on her "Fuck him, help her."

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Or maybe the witch isn't actually healing Drogo, is working for her own ends.

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Quite possible. She has to know though. If Drogo goes Dany goes. If Dany goes she goes. It could be some suicide scheme to kill the Khal, of course, but it seems kind of contrived.

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The whole witch thing is littered with heavy telegraphing. I don't know exactly what's going to happen in that tent, but this woman is surrounded by the people that just raped and slaughtered dozens upon dozens of people in her village, people that she knew, and probably immediate family on top of that. Whatever she's cooking up, it's likely to be pretty foul.

 

Oh, and that Tony Stark thing is so lame.

 

 

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Oh, I would buy that series of comics in the form of a trade paperback.  If we continue that bit of universe melding, who would everyone else be?

 

Robert=Ben Grimm

Cersei=Sue Storm

Jamie=Johnny Storm

Cat Stark=Gwen Stacy

Littlefinger=Peter Parker

 

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I somehow infered that with Dany going into labor it's going to come between either Drogo or the baby and Dany living. The witch will either have to finish her spell or help Dany. I could be wrong, though.


From the episode:

 

Mirri Maz Duur:  Only death can pay for life, Khaleesi.

 

Danny:  My Death?

 

Mirri Maz Duur:  No.

 

And then the horse is sacrificed, Drogo's bloodrider is killed by Jeorah, and Danny goes into a difficult and unexpected labor.

 

The question you have to ask yourself is:  How much death does it take to pay for a life?

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/06/as-game-of-thrones-nears-its-finale-showrunners-david-benioff-and-dan-weiss-talk-about-season-two.html

 

I think they were careful to not spoil any major things, but you should still read this cautiously if you haven't read the books.

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Go back and read my post. I acknowledge there are different subsets or subgenres of SF, some hard, some soft. I never use the terms automatically or overwhelmingly, nor do I imply them. Also: you're reacting really defensively and obnoxiously to a pretty innocuous post. I was going by what you wrote, and I didn't call you names or denigrate your thinking (i.e., call it retarded). So maybe dial back the bitter a bit?

 

 

First, I agree with you about film; I don't think hard SF - even if we include your definition and mine - generally makes for good film. As for the rest of your post, it seems like you're conflating opinion with fact. You're certainly welcome to the opinion that the "best" (and we'd need to define what you mean by that) written SF isn't hard SF, but there are plenty of folks out there who'd disagree. Comes down to a YMMV, I would think. (Though it seems that I could be mistaken, I guess I'd consider Dick [and Gibson, for that matter] to be "hard" SF, since technology plays a central role rather than being set dressing.)


 

 


Sorry for being a dick, but it annoys me when someone tells me I haven't read or seen a genre.  I mean, this is CHUD;  I'd be shocked to find anyone who hasn't read some sci fi. 


There is no doubt there is more science in written works.  But, just because most written sci fi tends to have far more science than it's screen counterparts, doesn't mean it's considered hard sci fi.

 

Dick, is definitely not hard sci fi.  His stories didn't focus on or care about the science at all, certainly almost never any real science, and when it did it was mainly to add detail and build the universe.  Completely unscientific, impossible and unexplained things happened in Philip K. Dick books all the time.  Some of his books like Cosmic Puppets would easily qualify as fantasy science fiction.   

 

Asimov and Clarke did focus a lot more on the science, but their works haven't endured in the way Dick's has, and I don't think this is a coincidence at all.  I've only read one book by Gibson, Virtual Light.  I'm not sure if Gibson would be considered hard sci-fi, it's probably debatable.  It's like I said before, there is no single definition of hard sci fi, or even regular sci fi.  But I consider writers like Stephen Baxter, Greg Egan, and Greg Bear to be true hard sci fi writers.  I love the science in sci-fi, but only if it's a backdrop to the story, if it serves the story or themes, or if it's interesting and relevant like the tech in Corey Doctrow's books, although his stories take place in near futures where the tech is based off what we have now. 

 

Ultimately, a lot of this is highly debatable.  But, even in the scope of all the different definitions of hard sci fi, there is none that is broad enough to say most written sci-fi is hard.  And sorry for the derail, hopefully this wasn't too annoying.

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/06/as-game-of-thrones-nears-its-finale-showrunners-david-benioff-and-dan-weiss-talk-about-season-two.html

 

I think they were careful to not spoil any major things, but you should still read this cautiously if you haven't read the books.


 

They got to read the latest book already!

 

Also, have they announced how long the second season will be? I hope they get 13.

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They got to read the latest book already!

 

Also, have they announced how long the second season will be? I hope they get 13.


Season 2 is 10 episodes again.

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They got to read the latest book already!

 

Also, have they announced how long the second season will be? I hope they get 13.



I believe Season 2 has been confirmed at 10 episodes.

 

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My guess is that something REALLY shakes up the status-quo completely with Dany and either forces her back to square-one or has to truly adapt herself.

 

In fact, while I'm not going to say this is the theme of the series, I do feel there's a general notion that the characters who are either capable of adapting on their own, seem to be the ones that survive, while those that don't really seem to get gotten rid of as we go through the series. Ned, Drogo, and Viserys seem too traditional in their characterizations, which is why it looks like they're all dead, and one's on death's door.

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Man, they already took my Ned away.  They take Drogo's fine ass too, and I'm gonna have to be restrained from flinging something through the TV. 

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Originally Posted by Anger Management View Post

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/06/as-game-of-thrones-nears-its-finale-showrunners-david-benioff-and-dan-weiss-talk-about-season-two.html

 

I think they were careful to not spoil any major things, but you should still read this cautiously if you haven't read the books.



I think the very first question counts as a rather big spoiler for newbies.

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I think the very first question counts as a rather big spoiler for newbies.


Danaerys juggling hot dragon eggs wasn't a dead give away?

 

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Sigh.

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I think the very first question counts as a rather big spoiler for newbies.



As a total newcomer to this series and the story, I'm pretty sure I knew that dragons were involved before I watched the show, so I don't think it's really that big of a spoiler. Plus, they've done a good job telegraphing it for the future in the show.

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Seriously please stop with the things you "don't think are spoilers". If it hasn't been shown it IS a spoiler.  I hate that I'm just waiting for them to show up now instead of wondering will they/won't they.

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Seriously please stop with the things you "don't think are spoilers". If it hasn't been shown it IS a spoiler.


Too hard a concept for some folks, apparently.

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That interview makes me nervous for the next season.

 

Seems like theyre struggling with scope.. introducing a bunch of new characters (clearly the show needs more characters!!!..and battles/budget. The things they struggled with this season.

 

 

I didnt know that (the above mentioned spoilers) but don't mind knowing. The only time I hate people bringing up the book is when they use it as a defense (as in, well thats the way the book was). The show writers should improve upon the books not just shoot the books. Afterall, isnt the 1st book largely considered the strongest, and then the series gets worse and worse from there?

 

Please please let the 2nd season be good. *fingers crossed*

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The one thing I'm most interested about in regards to Season 2, is Stannis. I haven't seen him listed in the cast at all, so I'm doubting he'll pop up until then. But from the way Renly, and Cersei act he sounds like the single scariest bastard possible. Something about a guy having pre-fat Robert's combat skills, and a seemingly complete lack of mercy seems interesting. If only because if we've got a combination of white walkers/dothraki wandering about Westeros in season 2? I kind of want somebody who'll just plainly say "fuck you" at least somewhat involved.

 

 

Also more Hound, I like that guy, even if I can't get his role from Hot Fuzz out of my head.

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Afterall, isnt the 1st book largely considered the strongest, and then the series gets worse and worse from there?



No.

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Isn't A Storm of Swords sort of easily considered the best of the books at this point?

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Too hard a concept for some folks, apparently.



I've already had to put a couple people on ignore, but I appreciate you guys who do know what's coming being on the lookout for those of us who would rather not.

 

 

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Isn't A Storm of Swords sort of easily considered the best of the books at this point?

So far it's way ahead of all the others.   If the show makes it to a 3rd season and has a better budget by then, it will be legendary.
 

 

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I know I'm doing my best to not spoil anything at all. I love the read all the reactions to shit I've read a few times, always fun to see what people think about it. I think seasons 2 budget might hamper what the showrunners want to do so we might get a little disappointed in some aspects but once the first season comes out on blu/dvd and sells like gangbusters I  hope they'll up the budget for season 3 onward.

 

Ignoring what I know (via the show) will be in the finale, I hope they show a few things. Maybe introduce someone who will be integral to next season so we might get used to them and talk about what they might do over the break and to also shine a light back on Winterfell. I mean, I know all the main people are gone from it but Bran was a big motivating factor behind the whole season, maybe go back and see how he's getting along as the temporary Lord of Winterfell?

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Also more Hound, I like that guy, even if I can't get his role from Hot Fuzz out of my head.



Me: Puzzled look. Blank stare. Penny drops! Mind blown. Great, now I'm going to be expecting the Hound to answer "Yaarp" to everything.

 

I'll add an even whinier request about spoilers, and I may be alone on this one. Even when something HAS happened on the show, I'm not too keen on learning how it may have gone differently (or better or worse) in the book. Because although I don't plan on reading the books until this HBO run has completed, I wouldn't mind discovering those differences myself someday. So, yeah, now this one's bitching about already-aired book spoilers (no pleasing some newbs). Just saying, "spoiling" isn't necessarily only about plot points. Maybe next season, labeling the newbie thread "The Books Don't Even Exist In Here" or something. Maybe it's just me, if folks think that'd stifle discussion too much.

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That interview makes me nervous for the next season.

 

Seems like theyre struggling with scope.. introducing a bunch of new characters (clearly the show needs more characters!!!..and battles/budget. The things they struggled with this season.

 

 

I didnt know that (the above mentioned spoilers) but don't mind knowing. The only time I hate people bringing up the book is when they use it as a defense (as in, well thats the way the book was). The show writers should improve upon the books not just shoot the books. Afterall, isnt the 1st book largely considered the strongest, and then the series gets worse and worse from there?

 

Please please let the 2nd season be good. *fingers crossed*


Its pretty hard to improve on the books since the books are really f'n good.  Actually, if I had to rate the books in order of awesomeness, it would go Feast for Crows > Game of Thrones > Clash of Kings > Storm of Swords.

 

Season 2 will be better that season 1.  Season 3 will be better than Season 2.  If you thought there were some "OMG HOLY SHIT I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS" moments in this season, just wait.  Just you wait.  Some of the stuff that goes down in coming seasons will make your face melt.

 

And part of what makes each successive book/season awesome will be new characters and bigger battles.  Though, the battles will always take a backseat to the crazy political maneuvering and backstabbing that occurs.
 

 

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Quote:Trav McGee
Me: Puzzled look. Blank stare. Penny drops! Mind blown. Great, now I'm going to be expecting the Hound to answer "Yaarp" to everything.

 

Hhahahah! I know right? My girlfriend was actually the one who spotted that in the second episode, and my mind was BLOWN right then and there.

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Originally Posted by Trav McGee View Post Maybe next season, labeling the newbie thread "The Books Don't Even Exist In Here" or something.

 

All for that.

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All for that.



me too

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So last night I was talking in my sleep and apparently I said, completely out of nowhere, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if the dragon eggs hatch and they just fly over the ocean?!"

 

Now that's an absolutely ridiculous idea, and not a thought I at all remember having consciously, but if I do turn out to be right I'm going to start charging myself out as a psychic.

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me too


People ignored multiple clear posts in the thread, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the title. But sure.

 

 

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People ignored multiple clear posts in the thread, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same with the title. But sure.

 

 


Optimism, my friend, optimism. Maybe they can choose to be less ignorant.  Or, you know, read.  heh  I feel like every time I post with you, I'm playing Pollyanna.

 

post #1644 of 2289

The fake trailer is ridiculous, but has some really hilarious lines.  (I'm surprised Joseph P Brenner hasn't posted the link yet)

 

http://blastr.com/2011/06/what-if-game-of-thrones-w.php

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Maybe the best one since The Shining got turned into a James L. Brooks movie.

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I was kind of meh on it for a bit, but the needle scratch after "It was a woman..." got a full LOL out of me.

post #1647 of 2289

They should have gone all the way and played it as a romance.

post #1648 of 2289

So very psyched for tonight. This series has gotten under my skin like no other.

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Ned head. Awful. Joffrey you asshole. Also, more incest, Cersei? Jesus, honey, mix it up a little at least. And there we go, that grudging respect from Tywin for Tyrion that I suspected. Okay, I think I know what's going to happen. Hope it looks cool...

 

Interesting. Not quite sure how I feel about that.

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There Be Dragons.  Cool ender.

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