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post #1 of 69
11/13/08 at 11:40pm
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90% of Bob Seger's music centers around his memories of drinking and fucking.
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post #2 of 69
11/13/08 at 11:56pm
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90% of music centers around memories of drinking and fucking.
fixed.
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post #3 of 69
11/14/08 at 12:07am
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Bob Segerfuck

fixed.
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post #4 of 69
11/14/08 at 3:09am
Silver Bullet. By the Briefs.

when i think of you you know i think of rotten fruit
the world would be a better place if you were born a mute
that old time rock n roll is something we could do without
Kill Bob Seger right now, Kill Bob Seger right now

I like to take your records and i throw them in the trash
i wanna cut your brakes and make your tour bus crash
you think you're like a rocker i dont get you any how
Kill Bob Seger right now, Kill Bob Seger right now

when i think of you you know i think of rotten fruit, KILL
the world would be a better place if you were born a mute
that old time rock n roll song is something we could do without
Kill Bob Seger right now, Kill Bob Seger right now, Kill Bob Seger Right Now. OOOHHHH
kill die, kill die, kill die, kill bob die.
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post #5 of 69
11/16/08 at 4:00am
For someone with the most annoying fans in popular music, Ani DiFranco is actually not terrible.
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post #6 of 69
11/16/08 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
For someone with the most annoying fans in popular music, Ani DiFranco is actually not terrible.
It's a horrible thing to have annoying fans (ala The Grateful Dead) yet actually still produce good music.

Despite a real distaste for his solo stuff the music that Aaron Neville produces with his brothers is really, really good.
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post #7 of 69
11/16/08 at 1:06pm
Despite a real distaste for his acoustic frat boy songs, John Mayer can rip a stratocaster the fuck up.
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post #8 of 69
11/16/08 at 1:15pm
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Despite a real distaste for his acoustic frat boy songs, John Mayer can rip a stratocaster the fuck up.
Very true. I'd like to think that he has a killer blues album lurking inside of him somewhere.
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post #9 of 69
11/16/08 at 2:34pm
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For someone with the most annoying fans in popular music, Ani DiFranco is actually not terrible.
Her old stuff, at least. MissZooey can probably do a more detailed explanation about the decline of Ms. DiFranco, but her recent stuff is largely un-good. Living in Clip is a pretty terrific live album. It's surprisingly potent and funky rock from an acoustic guitar/bass/drums trio.
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post #10 of 69
11/16/08 at 2:42pm
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Despite a real distaste for his acoustic frat boy songs, John Mayer can rip a stratocaster the fuck up.
I didn't just realize this, but after hating on Peter Frampton for, oh, most of my life, I stumbled across "Do You Feel Like We Do" right at the part where he quits fucking around with the voicebox and tears off a rippin' solo.

The man has chops, which many people have forgotten due to hearing "Baby I Love Your Way" ad nauseum.
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post #11 of 69
11/16/08 at 3:00pm
Gangsta rap is immune to parody, because it's already so fucking ridiculous.
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post #12 of 69
11/16/08 at 3:18pm
I have an exception to that. Weird Al's White and Nerdy.
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post #13 of 69
11/16/08 at 3:35pm
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Gangsta rap is immune to parody
Still fun to parody.

Still still fun to parody.
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post #14 of 69
11/16/08 at 4:17pm
Gangsta rap isn't that ridiculous, when you take into account all the crazy shit that happens in reality.
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post #15 of 69
11/16/08 at 4:32pm
Tangential, I can't believe that we don't have a chewer named Stabmaster Arson. It baffles and disappoints me.
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post #16 of 69
11/16/08 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
For someone with the most annoying fans in popular music, Ani DiFranco is actually not terrible.
See also: Belle and Sebastian.
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post #17 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:17pm
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If by "still" you mean 15 years ago.
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post #18 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:20pm
Still fun to watch parodies of.
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post #19 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:36pm
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Still fun to watch parodies of.
See, my point is that watching/listening to gangsta rap is like "whoa, look at that, get outta here! Listen to his barely-English lyrics! Huh? What? Noooo! These dudes are SERIOUS!?!?! Get the fuck out!"
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post #20 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:38pm
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See, my point is that watching/listening to gangsta rap is like "whoa, look at that, get outta here! Listen to his barely-English lyrics! Huh? What? Noooo! These dudes are SERIOUS!?!?! Get the fuck out!"
You haven't visited the ghetto recently, have you? The people who live in it aren't widely known for their proper English.

It also depends on which Gangsta Rappers you're talking about. Some of those guys are borderline geniuses when it comes to rhyming and their use of words (Ghostface, Biggie, etc.). But I really wouldn't expect anyone over the age of 30 to understand it, anyway. But to classify all gangsta rap that way is ignorant.
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post #21 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:43pm
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You haven't visited the ghetto recently, have you? The people who live in it aren't widely known for their proper English.
Oh, only about 3 times a week. I go there in the day, though, so the crackheads tend to be asleep.
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post #22 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:45pm
I don't like 80's music because all the bands have horrible hair and wear bright, cheesy colors. And their lyrics aren't very inspiring, and all they know how to play is power chords.

See what I'm doing?
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post #23 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:49pm
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I don't like 80's music because all the bands have horrible hair and wear bright, cheesy colors. And their lyrics aren't very inspiring, and all they know how to play is power chords.
I hate Bauhaus too.
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post #24 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:53pm
We all agree Seger sucks now. Like A Rock is unforgivable. But in his defense, in his early days he was almost proto-punk. His early records have been out of print for so long, only rock n' roll diehards have heard 'em. A mixture of Motown, the Stooges, and Van Morrison.

I knew this lady who was a "band-aid" in her high school days to the groups coming up at the time in Detroit. She had a lot of fascinating tales to tell. I was more interested in Iggy but the way she told it Seger was a god. He could really move the crowd, with a gift for crunchy blue-eyed soul covers of James Brown and Little Richard.
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post #25 of 69
11/16/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
It also depends on which Gangsta Rappers you're talking about. Some of those guys are borderline geniuses when it comes to rhyming and their use of words (Ghostface, Biggie, etc.). But I really wouldn't expect anyone over the age of 30 to understand it, anyway. But to classify all gangsta rap that way is ignorant.
Bah, you act is if NWA (whose impact is undeniable, "artistry" is pretty arguable - for them as a group) and Ice-T weren't around back in the early 90s.

But just like any movement, the genius (or at least timeliness) of the innovators has been played out. Tupac and Biggie have been dead for more than 10 years, Wu-Tang has been off the radar for quite some time....I don't see the people raising the form up out there.

It doesn't help that rap music eats its own; the second a rap act is successful the clock is ticking.
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post #26 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
Bah, you act is if NWA (whose impact is undeniable, "artistry" is pretty arguable - for them as a group) and Ice-T weren't around back in the early 90s.

But just like any movement, the genius (or at least timeliness) of the innovators has been played out. Tupac and Biggie have been dead for more than 10 years, Wu-Tang has been off the radar for quite some time....I don't see the people raising the form up out there.
Are we talking just in the 2000's, or the past 2 years or so? Because there has been a TON of great "Gangsta Rap" released this decade. I would even argue that it's topped Rock music this decade overall (which has been kind of stale and boring), outside of a few bands.

There's still a lot of great artists/rappers out there doing great work:

Ghostface Killah tops the list this decade.
Wu Tang released a pretty good album just last year.
The Roots last two albums fall under Gangsta Rap, and they've been great.
NAS "Untitled," while not as good as Illmatic, I'd put it as his second best.
Snoop Dogg is still going strong.
Rick Ross
Kanye
Andre 3000

And I don't like Lil' Wayne.


And there's tons of others. I'm going off the top of my head. I don't hang in the Ghetto, but I recognize when music isn't made for me. Dismissing a genre for it's "Use of barely English lyrics," which is wrong anyway, when you probably haven't even heard that much of it, seems rather....odd.
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post #27 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:06pm
Unless Chavez is hanging out in the ghetto like InTheShadows, he better shut up!!! You're over 30, bitch! Recognize.

*As I type this I'm listening to Schooly D. Oh, how Gangsta!
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post #28 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:07pm
If 50 Cent were to record an entire album using only bluegrass and country/western samples, it might be the best/worst thing ever.
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post #29 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
Unless Chavez is hanging out in the ghetto like InTheShadows, he better shut up!!! You're over 30, bitch! Recognize.

*As I type this I'm listening to Schooly D. Oh, how Gangsta!
You dawgs be hard ko.
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post #30 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
The Roots last two albums fall under Gangsta Rap, and they've been great.
The Roots qualify as "gangsta"? News to me.

Hey, I'm a pussy; first off, while I respect more than a few rappers, I realize it ain't my bag.

And I DO like Atmosphere, but only cuz they white.
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post #31 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
You dawgs be hard ko.
Put a mutha fuckin' semi to your Neck and take a shit on your chest, mother fucker.

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The Roots qualify as "gangsta"? News to me.
Their last two albums have been pretty Gangsta, and I'm sure they've alienated some fans because of it. Granted, they've been chastising the Gangsta Rap lifestyle more than promoting it in those albums.

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And I DO like Atmosphere, but only cuz they white.
Atmosphere is pretty good, but their whiteness prevents them from being great. Saw them at Bonnaroo a few years back.
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post #32 of 69
11/16/08 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by InTheShadows View Post
Their last two albums have been pretty Gangsta, and I'm sure they've alienated some fans because of it. Granted, they've been chastising the Gangsta Rap lifestyle more than promoting it in those albums.
See, now you're just exposing my ignorance. I thought any group that is critical of the "gangsta" lifestyle was NOT gangsta. That'd be more like "hata rap" wouldn't it?
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post #33 of 69
11/16/08 at 7:05pm
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See, now you're just exposing my ignorance. I thought any group that is critical of the "gangsta" lifestyle was NOT gangsta. That'd be more like "hata rap" wouldn't it?
What's Tupac then?

Rappers tend to be both critical of while promoting the lifestyle at the same time. Unfortunately, inner-city youth tend to miss the first part. Unless you think "Living in a crack spot" is something you want to aspire to do.
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post #34 of 69
11/16/08 at 7:25pm
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Unfortunately, inner-city youth tend to miss the first part. Unless you think "Living in a crack spot" is something you want to aspire to do.
I'd say the bolded part is something that g-rappas (cuz I'm hip) need to address. If you aren't glorifying, make it explicit.

The inner city isn't the 'burbs where rich kids can embrace that shit without irony or repercussion (not counting pops cuffin'em upside the head); inner city kids don't have those positive role models; their positive role models are athletes, rappers, and drug dealers. And two of those 3 career paths aren't easily attainable.

I'm rambling here, but basically in my mind it comes down to the fact those rappers who got out owe something to their community. And most of them fail. Tupac may have criticized the life, but he died in the way the life glorifies - he's a Jesus figure in that his death overshadows what he preached while he was alive.

Best part of Obama's election is that young black kids can look and realize that it ain't "I can be Jordan/Tupac" and it's more "I can be PRESIDENT."

Thinking of it right now, do you think Obama's election completely shifts the playing field for gangsta rap?
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post #35 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
We all agree Seger sucks now. Like A Rock is unforgivable. But in his defense, in his early days he was almost proto-punk. His early records have been out of print for so long, only rock n' roll diehards have heard 'em. A mixture of Motown, the Stooges, and Van Morrison.

I knew this lady who was a "band-aid" in her high school days to the groups coming up at the time in Detroit. She had a lot of fascinating tales to tell. I was more interested in Iggy but the way she told it Seger was a god. He could really move the crowd, with a gift for crunchy blue-eyed soul covers of James Brown and Little Richard.
This is true. I have Mongrel on vinyl and it smokes. Seger's stuff from 71 to 75 is pretty great. I grew up listening to Bob Seger, my dad was a big fan. I still think Beautiful Loser, Stranger In Town and Night Moves are incredible albums.

For some obscure and pretty fierce rock music check out Detroit's Hideout records scene from about 64 to 67. Standouts include Seger playing in bands The Town Cryers and The Last Heard, Glenn Frey's psychedelic garage outfit the Mushrooms and Suzi Quatro and her sisters in their all-female band The Pleasure Seekers.
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post #36 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt View Post
T Glenn Frey's psychedelic garage outfit the Mushrooms
Frey is from Motown? Huh.

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Suzi Quatro and her sisters in their all-female band The Pleasure Seekers.
I thought Leather Tuscadero was from Milwaukee*


* - Happy Days joke, I'm so ashamed
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post #37 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:31pm
Yup. Norton records actually has a pretty decent compilation of some of those bands.

http://www.amazon.com/Friday-Hideout...6877660&sr=8-1
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post #38 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt View Post
Yup. Norton records actually has a pretty decent compilation of some of those bands.

http://www.amazon.com/Friday-Hideout...6877660&sr=8-1
I'm not sure if Mundt is a god or the devil in the flesh.

But either way, I love the guy.
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post #39 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
Gangsta rap is immune to parody, because it's already so fucking ridiculous.
You could never do a parody with lyrics as genuinely hilarious as N.W.A.'s "Gangsta Gangsta", and that was twenty years ago.
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post #40 of 69
11/16/08 at 8:56pm
I'll cop to not having heard much of what might be considered "gangsta rap." While there's sort of a consensus on earlier, central figures like NWA, 2Pac, etc., what exactly defines an artist as such? I've never really thought of Wu-Tang as specifically gangsta rap since their reach seems a little wider (although the label makes a sort of sense to me), and the idea of Andre 3000 and the Roots as gangsta rap strikes me as pretty bizarre (and that's including the recent stuff).

So what qualities are we looking for here, exactly? Is there a musical through-line, or are we just talking about lyrical preoccupations?
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post #41 of 69
11/16/08 at 10:30pm
I've always defined gangsta rap by lyrics and image, pretty much beginning with Ice-T and NWA. To qualify in my book, they have to rap mostly about "life on the streets" and to push an image that says they could go back to the 'hood today and fit right in. Andre 3000 and The Roots do not qualify. Public Enemy does not qualify. The sound, as far as I know, can be either East or West Coast, so no specific musical style applies. But I'd be interested in hearing a more informed opinion...
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post #42 of 69
11/16/08 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
I'd say the bolded part is something that g-rappas (cuz I'm hip) need to address. If you aren't glorifying, make it explicit.

The inner city isn't the 'burbs where rich kids can embrace that shit without irony or repercussion (not counting pops cuffin'em upside the head); inner city kids don't have those positive role models; their positive role models are athletes, rappers, and drug dealers. And two of those 3 career paths aren't easily attainable.

I'm rambling here, but basically in my mind it comes down to the fact those rappers who got out owe something to their community. And most of them fail. Tupac may have criticized the life, but he died in the way the life glorifies - he's a Jesus figure in that his death overshadows what he preached while he was alive.

Best part of Obama's election is that young black kids can look and realize that it ain't "I can be Jordan/Tupac" and it's more "I can be PRESIDENT."

Thinking of it right now, do you think Obama's election completely shifts the playing field for gangsta rap?
Wow, tequila seems like it's your friend, but it really isn't.
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post #43 of 69
11/16/08 at 11:37pm
You're just realizing that now? I knew tequila wasn't my friend the second time I got lost in a trailer park in the ghetto.
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post #44 of 69
11/16/08 at 11:48pm
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You're just realizing that now? I knew tequila wasn't my friend the second time I got lost in a trailer park in the ghetto.
Tequila is like an abusive spouse - you go "hey, after that last time, I'm done widjoo"...then you see the bottle and it looks so lonely and harmless, and it seems to say "hey baby, we had some good times, didn't we?" "...yeah, we did." "It'll be different this time, I swear.." and you believe the tequila, and it's good for a while, but the whole "it'll be different" is just a lie. A LIE!
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post #45 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:14am
Nah, tequila is more like your old college buddy who calls and wants to go out drinking this Friday. You know you'll have an amazing time and end up with some great stories to tell, but you may end up in a Tijuana jail while he drives off a cliff with your semi-naked wife.

ETA: I really love some old Bob Seger - he's like Lynyrd Skynyrd in that his later stuff and his fans end up as huge strikes that are held unfairly against some great American rock-and-roll: "You'll Accomp'ny Me," "Fire Lake," "Betty Lou's Gettin' Out Tonight, "Hollywood Nights, "Feel Like a Number," all fine songs.
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post #46 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:18am
Vodka must be the abusive spouse, then.
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post #47 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:24am

In which I feel like (the poster) Paul McCartney

Brief bits of songs that always crack me up:
*The way Bruce Springsteen says "cryin" in 'Glory Days'.
*When Gene Simmons shouts "What?" in "Rock 'N Roll All Nite". It sounds less like he's trying to rev the crowd up, and more like he's genuinely asking someone to repeat themselves.
*The way David Bowie stretches the word "flower" to three syllables in the first chorus of "Let's Dance". "Flllooow-er-wer!"
*"Long Haired Freaky People" from Five Man Electrical Band's "Signs".
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post #48 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:25am
Vodka USED to be the abusive spouse, but this time she has PROMISED it will be different. She's REALLY sorry, and she loves you SO much, Chavez. C'mon, you owe her a chance to show you how she's changed...
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post #49 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:38am
I don't have an "abusive spouse" thing with drinking. Whiskey is my friend, though that Ezra Brooks can be cocksucker.
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post #50 of 69
11/17/08 at 12:41am
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I don't have an "abusive spouse" thing with drinking. Whiskey is my friend, though that Ezra Brooks can be cocksucker.
A true cock sucker is the best friend one can have. At times.
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