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Shelley's Frankenstein VS Lovecraft's Herbert West: Re-Animator

post #1 of 24
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Revisited these 2 texts recently (Halloween mood setters) and thought I'd start up a discussion. Supposedly Lovecraft hated his story and it was meant to be a parody of Shelley's work (it sure is "inspired by" at least). There's some major premise and thematic similarities, but both artists approach the subject of "bringing back the dead" from different angles. Besides the differences in time period/locale, and the varying percentages of scifi and horror in each (and the methods used to bring about the experiments), there are a few other distinct differences:
  • Shelley's story often references the blasphemy of the experiments, comparisons to Adam, the mistake of playing God. Lovecraft's stance is fairly clinical and atheistic, despite having a clear right and wrong message (beyond the obvious murder that takes place). Or does it?
  • Frankenstein and West are both obsessed with their work, but seemingly, only Frankenstein feels remorse for his actions and learns a lesson. West jumps the fence and spirals into Mad Doctor mode as the story continues.
  • Both authors use the method of a narrator's accounts to tell the story, but Lovecraft utilizes West's colleague (reliable?) to inform the reader of what happens. He's the audience surrogate and moral compass as West goes off the deep end. I found the descriptions of West's experiments much more horrifying as the gruesome details were editorialized for me.
  • The creations themselves conjur up different feelings. The monstrous "victims" in the 2 tales are driven by revenge, but the gollum in Frankenstein is more human, more sympathetic, and also motivated by his loneliness. This is expressed mostly due to ability to communicate and the sheer amount of interactions between the characters. Lovecraft's monsters are hungrier, more animalistic, more zombie-ish, more... failed.
  • The ending in Re-Animator plays more of a "just desserts" Tales From The Crypt finale instead of the operatic tragedy of Frankenstein's fate.



An aside: FRANKENHOOKER (as an adaptation) almost comes off as a comedic bridge between the 2 extremes and mostly leans into the horror realm that Re-Animator dwells in. It's certainly more splatstick like Gordon's adaptation, playing up the gore and creative body horror.

EDIT: Incidentally, Jeffrey Combs Reads H. P. Lovecraft's Herbert West - Re-Animator is a good listen.
post #2 of 24
I have the hardcover that picture was taken from, and it's actually pretty good.

I always felt that Re-Animator was more of a straight forward horror story while Frankenstein leans towards being a morality tale. Personally, I'd take Frankenstein hands down if I had to choose one.
post #3 of 24
Been years since I've read either, so I can't comment intelligently on the differences and similarities on a subtle level. But I agree w/ Eric that Frankenstein wins as the better tale. And I'm a huge HPL fan saying that. But Re-Animator was far from my favorite HPL story. Frankenstein just had such a grandness of scale - particularly w/ respect to the morality questions - that it outguns Re-Animator as a more memorable tale. It's also moving, with the monster's plight being explored, and Re-Animator really isn't.
post #4 of 24
Re-Animator was only written because Lovecraft needed money.
post #5 of 24
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Maybe "VS" was a bad choice of words in the title of the thread. It was mainly a starting point for discussion, not so much a contest. Lovecraft's is clearly more perverse/horrific/macabre (and I'm fairly certain, shorter). The themes explored by both are pretty resilient however, especially today in the age of genetics (and our eternal quest for conquering mortality). Playing God in stories like FLATLINERS and JURASSIC PARK almost always ends up biting those who tamper on the ass. It's one of those things (regardless of motivation) that never works out. Scientific curiosity/obsession/hubris (in regards to creation and resurrection, not necessarily in exploration) ends badly in scifi and horror.
post #6 of 24
I've never read the actual texts (something I now feel is necessary), but I heard a radio drama of Frankenstein on for Halloween. I was totally blown away by the story. Having only been familiar with Karloffs version of the monster, I was surprised how different it was from Shelleys incarnation. Is the version Del Toro is wanting to do based more closely to the source material, or is it going to be a it's own thing. How is it no one has done a big budget version of the original Frankenstein story?
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by seacup_79 View Post
I've never read the actual texts (something I now feel is necessary), but I heard a radio drama of Frankenstein on for Halloween. I was totally blown away by the story. Having only been familiar with Karloffs version of the monster, I was surprised how different it was from Shelleys incarnation. Is the version Del Toro is wanting to do based more closely to the source material, or is it going to be a it's own thing. How is it no one has done a big budget version of the original Frankenstein story?
The monster is much more expressive verbally. Some of the exchanges almost come across as therapy (or confessionals) for both the monster and creator, don't they? But some of the points are hammered a tad (especially in the radio play version when you get mostly dialog): "If you do not create a companion for me to love, I will kill everyone you love. You didn't create a companion for me to love, therefore I now must kill everyone you love!"... (paraphrase, of course).

I'm not sure what GDT's plans are (besides being more adventure-ish), but some have mentioned wanting to see him adapt "Black as the Pit, from Pole to Pole". Sounds like HPL meets Verne. Branagh's breakneck version (a bigger budget version, on the heels of Coppolla's DRACULA) was closer in some ways to the book and yet didn't hit the target in others.

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I have the hardcover that picture was taken from, and it's actually pretty good.
Bernie Wrightson is one of my art heroes. NERD ALERT! I own some of the original Swamp Thing comics he drew (including #1).

EDIT: Has anyone seen the ITV (UK) adaptation? I'm curious, based on this image alone:



EDIT 2: If you register, you can download an ok (low sample rate) audio book version of Frankenstein here.
post #8 of 24
Edit: Nevermind.
post #9 of 24
In my recent search for Halloween-appropriate audio materials I came across a reading of Herbert West: Reanimator performed by none other than Jeffrey Combs. Needless to say, it is wonderful.
post #10 of 24
What I've always found interesting about Mary Shelly and "Frankenstein" is, as mentioned above, how much of a morality play the work is. Mary's husband, the poet Shelly, was a rather ardent atheist (as ardent as one could be in a time when the Inquisition was still somewhat of a force to be reckoned with) yet his wife, daughter of an arch proto feminist and the culmination of quite an intellectual family, wrote a piece of fiction that damned man for trying to play God. After reading The Invisibles, I sometimes wonder if that work could be a subtle jab at her husband.

Lovecraft, also an ardent atheist, tackles the same subject and makes a forgettable work that is only remembered because of his other, better stories.
post #11 of 24
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Lovecraft, also an ardent atheist, tackles the same subject and makes a forgettable work that is only remembered because of his other, better stories.
Well, and for Jeffrey Combs and Stuart Gordon's contribution.
post #12 of 24
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Well, and for Jeffrey Combs and Stuart Gordon's contribution.

I'm actually being literal. It was first published in the early years of Lovecraft's career in a friend's amateur press. It's hokey and poorly written. Had Lovecraft not gone on to do bigger and better things, no one would know or care enough about the work to make a movie adaption sixty years later.
post #13 of 24
Not that I want to dogpile, here, but i figure one of the reasons Reanimator got adapted was because it's one of the easiest Lovecraft tales to film. No cosmic gods or flying fungi, or unidentifiable colours out of space. Just one headless corpse. Unfortunately, that's also the thing that keeps it from ranking among his best works. But consider: are we being too hard on HPL & Reanimator? Do we think of this as a "forgettable" tale because so much of what he did was so different, and so hugely influential? Are we hard on this story in particular because it's more of a "mainstream" horror story and isn't "Lovecraftian" enough? Had Reanimator been written by anyone else, would we like it more as an amusing little tale? Does it pale to forgatability only because it's so overshadowed by HPL's other literary achievements?

Edited to add: I'm going to have to dig Reanimator out and reread it and answer my own question.
post #14 of 24
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Personally, I found it very unsettling. But listening to Combs read it definitely added to the manic grotesquery.

I think it stands fine on its on, especially since it doesn't rely on the mythos of unseen indescribable cyclopean eldritch horrors. I admit, there may be a bit of geek-blinders when revisiting it though, as I just really dig HPL's work overall. I'm biased.
post #15 of 24
I'd say the chief interest of re-Animator is that it's the only time that Lovecraft even attempted to do humour in his stories. It's kind of forgettable otherwise.
post #16 of 24
Humor? I don't recall humor in the written story. Wow, I really gotta re-read this.
post #17 of 24
Maybe I mis-read, but that's always how it seemed to me.
post #18 of 24
Nah, you probably read it right. It was probably I who misread it. I read that story at a time when I was just discovering HPL, & greedily devouring any & all of his works I could get my hands on, as quickly as I could. A lot of stuff ran together & got forgotten in that mad rush.
post #19 of 24
I am surprised at the shit talking on Lovecraft. His Re-Animator stories are some of his best stuff IMO, certainly beats the hell out of his fantasy stuff
post #20 of 24
I don't think anyone's shit talking HPL (I know I certainly am not), but this particular story pales in comparison to much of his other, more well known (before the film) and influential, "signature" works.
post #21 of 24
IMO, Herbert West is without a doubt one of his signature stories (series of stories), up there with Rats in the Walls, The Strange High House in the Mist, Dexter Ward, Mountains of Madness...
post #22 of 24
supposedly, a Herbert West TV show is in the works:

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/14360
post #23 of 24
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IMO, Herbert West is without a doubt one of his signature stories (series of stories), up there with Rats in the Walls, The Strange High House in the Mist, Dexter Ward, Mountains of Madness...
I find your story selections as the ebst examplars of HPL's work curious, in their order was well as what wasn't included. Not that any of those stories is bad, mind you. But Not including "Call of Cthulhu" and listing "At the Mountains of Madness" last is unusual. As for the West TV series, all due respect to campy fun of the film, but I have for this the same comment I had when I saw the trailer for "Jason X" at the showing of anotehr film:

"They. . . they didn't HAVE to make that. . . "

BUt when I finally saw "Jason X", I was pleasantly surprised by how much I was able to enjoy it for what it was. Maybe HW:R the TV Series will do the same.
post #24 of 24
Jump, Ronald, for God's sake, jump!

Love that Combs narrated version, his voice is perfect.
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