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What the fuck is going on in Mumbai?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751160.stm

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Gunmen have opened fire at a number of sites in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay), killing at least 60 people and injuring about 200 more.

Police said shooting was continuing and that the incidents were co-ordinated terrorist attacks. Gunmen are thought to have taken hostages at two hotels.

At least seven sites have been targeted across India's financial capital.

There has been a wave of bombings in Indian cities in recent months which has left scores of people dead.

Most of the attacks have been blamed on Muslim militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists.

Indiscriminate firing

On Wednesday, gunmen opened fire at sites including a train station, two five-star hotels, a hospital and a restaurant popular with tourists.

At least two blasts, suspected to be grenade attacks, were reported alongside the shootings.

Police said the gunmen had fired indiscriminately.

At least 10 people were killed at the Chhatrapati Shivaji railway station, they said.
A man shows the wounds of another man injured in a gunbattle at Mumbai's Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus
Chhatrapati Shivaji was one of seven sites to be attacked

"The terrorists have used automatic weapons and in some places grenades have been lobbed," said AN Roy, police commissioner of Maharashtra state.

Some gunmen were still holed up in buildings that had been targeted, officials said.

Gunmen were reported to be holding westerners hostage at the Taj Mahal and another nearby hotel, the Trident.

Local TV images showed blood-splattered streets, bodies being taken into ambulances and dramatic shots of what appeared to fresh blasts inside the Taj Mahal hotel.

One eyewitness told the BBC he had seen a gunman opening fire in the lobby of Taj Mahal hotel.

He said he had seen people fall before he fled the lobby.

"All I saw was one man on foot carrying a machine gun type of weapon - which I then saw him firing from and I saw people hitting the floor, people right next to me," he said.

The Oberoi hotel was also targeted.

One witness told local television that the gunmen were looking for people with British or US passports.

"They wanted foreigners," said the man, who said he was in India on business.

A series of attacks in Mumbai in July 2006 killed almost 190 people and injured more than 700.

Bombs were detonated on commuter trains during rush hour.

Police accused Pakistan's intelligence agency of planning the attacks, which they said were carried out by an Islamist militant group, Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Pakistan rejected the allegation, saying there was no evidence that its intelligence staff were involved.

The shootings come at a time when ties between India and Pakistan have improved.

The two countries have a joint anti-terror mechanism whereby they are supposed to share information on terrorist attacks.
Jesus
post #2 of 46
Yeah, I literally just read this right before coming into CHUD. Chilling shit, there.
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This is really bad. I was just talking to some co-workers from Hyderabad this morning before this happened. I've been emailing some of the Mumbai based ones to check on them.

I've stayed in Mumbai more than a couple of times, at least once I had a few drink at the Taj hotel (it's the one by the Gateway of India). This sounds pretty bad.

I hope they withhold blaming Pakistan for it for a bit as this could escalate in a bad way. It could be Al-Qaeda, but who knows.
post #5 of 46
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If this doesn't completely fuck up India and Pakistans fractured relationship I'll be very surprised.
post #6 of 46
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Apparently Terrorists have got some hostages held captive in a hotel that is currently half on fire. This story is getting more insane as it goes on.
post #7 of 46
Taj hotel burning and a bad hostage situation is ongoing.

I think MSNBC mentioned there are over 900 injured! Still no word on what group is really responsible for this.
post #8 of 46
Quite a horrible, an ongoing, story. Right about now the news around here report that some unknown Islamic group called "Deccan Mudschaheddin" declared responsibility for this.

As cynical as it sounds: It was about time.

It was always Al Quaidas goal to destabalize this sub-continent. With the fostering success of the occupying forces in the middle east this area turned into a likely target. What this means for the relationships between Pakistan and India remains to be seen. Lets just hope that these guys remain level headed. Everything else would be playing massively into Al Quaidas Hands.
post #9 of 46
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India and Pakistan don't do level headed.
post #10 of 46
Well, they still exists albeit myriad of crisis and terrorist incidents in the past. And maybe the doomsday clock might pay off here a bit as well.

The question remains if this can, or will, be linked to Pakistan in the first place. Because I am sure that this is what the terrorists ultimately aimed at.
post #11 of 46
Oh, look, it's Joe Biden's imaginary crisis come true.
post #12 of 46
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Worse case scenario seems to be that this is linked to Pakistan and the conflict escalates to Nuclear sabre rattling. I would say both nations are smart enough to avoid mutually assured destruction, but they've both tried to ethnically cleanse each other at least once in the last sixty years.
post #13 of 46
Seems like the the brunt of the casualties/injuries are from the train station, which kind of makes sense, since they're so overcrowded people hang from the train doors at "rush hour".

The Taj is also a pretty old hotel, but it seems they weren't so much after historical monuments but just getting a shot at "foreigners". If not, they would have gone after the Gateway which is right in front of it. BTW, last time I was there I was amazed at the tranquility (specially in a busy city like that) and general happiness of the people hanging out on the weekends around the Gateway. Quite a contrast from the horrific images of the night. What a mess ...
post #14 of 46
Dammit I wish we didn't have to hear from Bush about this...

"The White House Condemns the Terrorist Attacks and Loss of Human Life," though (according to CNN). Thanks for stating the obvious.
post #15 of 46
Obama's statement on the attack;

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"President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks."
post #16 of 46
I'm sure if you looked closely enough at Obama's "condemnation" you'll see hidden codes for activating more of his sleeper cells.
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I'm sure if you looked closely enough at Obama's "condemnation" you'll see hidden codes for activating more of his sleeper cells.
Them crazy mooslims.
post #18 of 46
...Jesus and I always assumed China would be the burgeoning superpower to worry about.

This is insane - not a surprise unfortunately but still.

Jesus wept.
post #19 of 46
Fucking religion.
post #20 of 46
Well, we don't know anything about the demands. Remember that the Pakistan/Indian conflict goes well beyond religion. The thing that makes this different is the asking for British/American citizens, almost seems to indicate this goes beyond the past terrorist attacks in India.
post #21 of 46
There's any number of reasons they could be asking for Brits or Americans - it certainly increases their media visibility if they grab Western hostages.

This whole thing is bizarre, and as far as I know, unprecedented. As I understand it, right now, it could be anyone from Pakistan to al Qaeda to Maoists.
post #22 of 46
There was a Brit who was let out because he said he was Italian. One little thing like that as the difference between life and death. And at least 82 have been killed, and it looked like there was still shooting going on in the morning.

My fiancee has pictures of herself in the Taj Hotel. She's a little shaken by all this.
post #23 of 46
I took this pic of the Taj on my first visit to Mumbai;



Unlike many of the hotels we stay at, this one doesn't have a "buffer" between the street and the hotel so it is very easy for a group like this to storm it. Not only from the front door, but from all sides.

Then again, the areas that do have buffer zones would not withstand a heavily armed attack, nor do most targets in India.

Reports are that there is continued firing at the Trident hotel, looks like about 11 simultaneous terrorist attacks all at once.
post #24 of 46
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Well, we don't know anything about the demands. Remember that the Pakistan/Indian conflict goes well beyond religion. The thing that makes this different is the asking for British/American citizens, almost seems to indicate this goes beyond the past terrorist attacks in India.
You could be right. And yes, it goes deeper than religion. But there is also the interpretation of white westerners as being christians. christians against muslims. And I'm sure muslims who made these attacks realize western countries are known for atheism. Regardless, religion would be a factor. We'll see how it plays out...
post #25 of 46
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You could be right. And yes, it goes deeper than religion. But there is also the interpretation of white westerners as being christians. christians against muslims. And I'm sure muslims who made these attacks realize western countries are known for atheism. Regardless, religion would be a factor. We'll see how it plays out...

Sorry but...

What?
post #26 of 46
The singling out of British and US citizens suggest an "Iraq" connection more than a general goal of kidnapping westerners. That aspect of this whole thing is sets this attack appart from others in India, on the surface, it doesn't seem releated to the usual stuff.
post #27 of 46
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Sorry but...
What?
I guess I missed that originally, but I'm not sure what it means. I'm thinking he meant that because there are non-Christians in the western world, he's hoping they'd be spared? Kind of an odd point, made even odder in a very religious country that is not Christian in the first place.
post #28 of 46
Checking BBC live updates, I read this:

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The Indian navy says its forces have boarded a cargo vessel they believe to be linked to the attacks, the Associated Press news agency reports. Navy spokesman Capt Manohar Nambiar says the MV Alpha had recently come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan.
It reminded me of India's involvement in stopping Somali pirates recently. Not saying the pirates have come to land, but I wonder if there's some kind of (tenuous) link involved. Whether religious retaliation or marine tactics lessons or whatever. This is obviously on top of the basic fact that its Pakistan and India we're talking about here.

Not a coherent hypothesis, but during these troubling times (Thailand going crazy lately too) you cant help look for ridiculously convoluted order through the chaos, right?
post #29 of 46
When I was talking to some friends over there this morning, the rumor was that the guys came in speed boats. I guess the speculation was that most of these were the guys at the Taj attack.

That's what some of the media was reporting there, althought it seemed very speculative.
post #30 of 46
Nevermind, I am confused myself...I'll uh, get back to you guys on this...
post #31 of 46
It's a very frightening form of terrorism, let's hope it not evolves into some future trend.

It's effective and it can leave many terrorists alive to give them one more shot at further attacks. 20 terrorist who suddenly goes on a spree killing among thousands of people in some public area, and then throw their guns away and disappear in the panicking crowds when they are out of ammo.

That could also very easily happen in the US with the easy access to firearms.
post #32 of 46
They're really there to rob the hotel safe. All the gunfire and stuff is just a distraction for Agent Johnson and Special Agent Johnson (no relation).
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They're really there to rob the hotel safe. All the gunfire and stuff is just a distraction for Agent Johnson and Special Agent Johnson (no relation).
I was in junior high, dickhead.
post #34 of 46
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We're gonna need some more FBI guys.
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I have to say, I'm surprised at the amount of coverage this is getting on the news stations here in America. Usually, a terror act overseas gets a quick mention and nothing more, but this? All the cable news stations are talking about this and nothing else. It's horrible what is happening, but I am a little surprised that this is getting so much play. Probably the targeting of American citizens is what's got everyone freaked.
post #36 of 46
Also the fact that it was a sustained attack. In most terrorist attacks a few bombs go off and the city is left to clean up the carnage. This went on for hours with hostages, etc.
post #37 of 46
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I have to say, I'm surprised at the amount of coverage this is getting on the news stations here in America. Usually, a terror act overseas gets a quick mention and nothing more, but this? All the cable news stations are talking about this and nothing else. It's horrible what is happening, but I am a little surprised that this is getting so much play. Probably the targeting of American citizens is what's got everyone freaked.
It's only because there was a live feed and they had nothing else to talk about. News networks will cover a boring freeway chase for hours to fill programming.
post #38 of 46
This is still going on. Reports are that there were initially 40 terrorists, half of them were already in Mumbai, the other half came from the sea. More than a terrorist attack, it almost seems like an invasion.
post #39 of 46
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It's a very frightening form of terrorism, let's hope it not evolves into some future trend.
The thing is, it most likely will. Successful terrorist attack usually "inspires" others to try the same, much like the El Al 1968 hijacking, The 9/11 attack are difficult to reproduce due to the restrictive nature of the said weapons, the planes. But in the US, or even in a western country, with access to weapons, yup, I can clearly see more of these, and it's scary as fuck.
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That brightened up my day, thanks.
post #41 of 46
He meant that slap, too. From the shoulder, that one was.
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Am I the only surprised that we have heard virtually nothing from Bush on the matter?

I know that he is a monumental fuck-up and that he has little interest in brown people ('specially them furoners) but I would think that he would at least try to convince the world that he gives a shit.

Maybe he was too busy shopping for a flat screen TV this weekend.
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We're gonna need some more FBI guys.
"Come out to Mumbai, we'll have a few laughs."
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Am I the only surprised that we have heard virtually nothing from Bush on the matter?

I know that he is a monumental fuck-up and that he has little interest in brown people ('specially them furoners) but I would think that he would at least try to convince the world that he gives a shit.

Maybe he was too busy shopping for a flat screen TV this weekend.
Anyone familiar with me knows I'm no fan of the man, however, he has been talking about this. It's just that he's usual inarticulate self and Obama always releases a statement after he does that sounds more Presidential, which is fucking bizarre considering the situation (even when you factor your memory of the last eight years in) and the news runs with that. Seriously, after Bush first responded to this, I turned to my roommate and said "I'm so glad someone who can actually think and articulate his thoughts in English is going to be running the country in a few weeks." and the very next thing on the news was the Obama statement.

The reason it seems that Bush isn't talking about this is the world is already starting to ignore him. Even the GOP pays more attention to Palin than they do Bush at this point.
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The reason it seems that Bush isn't talking about this is the world is already starting to ignore him. Even the GOP pays more attention to Palin than they do Bush at this point.
Parting is such sweet sorrow. Adieu, adieu.
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Heart-wrenching. Having to witness the murder of your parents being a 2 year old. One wonders if he will remember that moment when he is older one way or the other.

Horrible.

Meanwhile, this teenager is recovering in the hospital and doesn't yet know his parents were killed in the attack.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_147368.html
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