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post #351 of 383
2/11/09 at 1:02am
Membership in the Nazi party was not a prerequisite for being a German soldier during WW2
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post #352 of 383
2/11/09 at 1:05am
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Originally Posted by Domingo View Post
Oh my god you don't get it.
That's the answer you give when you can't explain youself.
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post #353 of 383
2/11/09 at 1:28am
Domingo was simply trying to say that there were good Germans and bad Germans, but that sort of thing is true in every war. Some were vile Nazis and some were simply people who didn't want to be sent to concentration camps or shot if they didn't join. After the atrocities that the Nazi party did to the Jews and the damage they caused, the world made them all out to be evil. Thus, it was seen as a grand victory and everyone was happy. At least I think that's what he was trying to say. To be fair, I think in any war they call the opposing side evil.

I don't think this necessarily justifies all the German killing in WW2 games. Though I will say I find all the gratuitous Japanese killing in COD: World at War to be a bit worse since they weren't as "evil" as the Nazis I guess. Then again, if you play it you can pretend you're exacting racial revenge on the ancestors of Capcom.

To the victor goes the spoils I guess.
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post #354 of 383
2/11/09 at 1:29am
http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.c...ust_racist.php
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post #355 of 383
2/11/09 at 1:30am
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Membership in the Nazi party was not a prerequisite for being a German soldier during WW2
Indeed. From what I've read conscription was introduced fairly early on before the war started. There was a secret police that actively sought dissenters and locked them up or tortued them. Not too mention the inssesant propaganda machine.

Ultimately a good portion of these soldiers were average people, born in the wrong country at the wrong time with the wrong set of maniacs in charge.

But that's how it goes. Should individual US soldiers be held responsible for the policies of the Bush govt in Iraq?


Edit: Anyway, to repeat my point, the casual racism that's apparently in RE5 bothers me less than the "War is entertainment" genre with it's reproduction of historical and modern military situations devoid of any moral complexity.
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post #356 of 383
2/11/09 at 2:08am
I know this is all tangential to RE5, but here's an interesting article on the popularity of WWII games.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/81158
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post #357 of 383
2/11/09 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Michael Shaver View Post
Can you find something NEW??? I mean really, this threads been talking about that same article for the past few pages. You think we give a shit what some other online article has to say about the same article?? It's not contributing anything new. It's basically what someone else said a page back. I'm just saying.

I find the gratuitous mass killing of races in war games to be a bit more interesting than an "maybe racist" African zombie game whose controls get a lot better after you change your aiming speed to "Fast" and control layout to "D".

The controls were oppressing people.
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post #358 of 383
2/11/09 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Can you find something NEW??? I mean really, this threads been talking about that same article for the past few pages. You think we give a shit what some other online article has to say about the same article?? It's not contributing anything new. It's basically what someone else said a page back. I'm just saying.

I find the gratuitous mass killing of races in war games to be a bit more interesting than an "maybe racist" African zombie game whose controls get a lot better after you change your aiming speed to "Fast" and control layout to "D".

The controls were oppressing people.
I think he was pointing out that The Atlantic Online picked it up which is, you know, kind of significant.
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post #359 of 383
2/11/09 at 4:24pm
Also, maybe the thread keeps talking about that same article because the point keeps being missed. That is, that all those other races in all those other shooting games did not have a long and ugly history of being depicted as SAVAGES and ANIMALS. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
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post #360 of 383
2/11/09 at 4:28pm
Sometimes I think that Radb and dreary louse were both born from the same manic-depressive cumshot.
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post #361 of 383
2/12/09 at 12:42am
Actually, the Eurogamer article has been referenced on a lot of reputable sites. Which is why I didn't see the big deal of it being on Atlantic Online.

Jake, if that's true than 80% of the internet came from there as well.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/953/953114p1.html

An article about it all on IGN is actually well written and makes a few good points. It makes a good counter-point to the Eurogamer one. They still say it depicts the white woman being dragged by the black guys, but makes emphasis on it being an infected person. They also say uninfected Africans are represented as completely different than the infected. IGN's a bit lame but it's an interesting read.
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post #362 of 383
2/12/09 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
An article about it all on IGN is actually well written and makes a few good points. It makes a good counter-point to the Eurogamer one. They still say it depicts the white woman being dragged by the black guys, but makes emphasis on it being an infected person. They also say uninfected Africans are represented as completely different than the infected. IGN's a bit lame but it's an interesting read.
Oh good lord. Do some people really have no understanding of concepts like allegory? It doesn't matter what's literally happening in the reality of the game. The fact that they're infected is in no way important to the significance of the image. Imagery is powerful, and it speaks louder than all the words about what's "really" happening in them. The whole "but they're infected" bit reeks of excuses to cover ignorance.

I guess everybody can stop riding George Lucas over Jar-Jar, since he couldn't possibly be a racist caricature. I mean, he's not a black guy, he's a Gungan. Right?
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post #363 of 383
2/12/09 at 11:34am
From IGN: "In today's culture, where an African-American has been elected President of the United States, most racism occurs below the surface."

Eat shit, Toni Morrison! Hilary Goldstien just whooped your whole oeuvre in one awesome sentence.

And no, that article wasn't well written.
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post #364 of 383
2/12/09 at 1:54pm
You really are dumb.
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post #365 of 383
2/12/09 at 2:26pm
Eugenics and Racism aside, RE5 still controls like butter'd dog poo.
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post #366 of 383
2/12/09 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Can you find something NEW??? I mean really, this threads been talking about that same article for the past few pages. You think we give a shit what some other online article has to say about the same article?? It's not contributing anything new. It's basically what someone else said a page back. I'm just saying.

I find the gratuitous mass killing of races in war games to be a bit more interesting than an "maybe racist" African zombie game whose controls get a lot better after you change your aiming speed to "Fast" and control layout to "D".

The controls were oppressing people.
You are the worst.
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post #367 of 383
2/12/09 at 7:42pm
It's just an article, people. I said it made some interesting points a few people hadn't quite made yet because of how few people have actually played the thing, I never said they were absolutely right. I was only pointing out the stuff IN the game, NOT the social commentary in the article.

Don't take it out on me if you didn't agree with it. I didn't write it.
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post #368 of 383
2/12/09 at 9:33pm
You recommended it.
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post #369 of 383
2/14/09 at 7:55pm
This demo is not doing a very good job of selling me on the game. Sure it looks pretty but...that's about it. Making me move slow is not an effective way to create dread and fear in this day and age. Also, the partner lady seems to be an idiot.
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post #370 of 383
2/15/09 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by gravedigger View Post
This demo is not doing a very good job of selling me on the game. Sure it looks pretty but...that's about it. Making me move slow is not an effective way to create dread and fear in this day and age. Also, the partner lady seems to be an idiot.
I think they got her moves from the GTA series, where no matter what the person that was supposed to follow you to complete a mission was stuck in a corner, in the way, or you didnt know where the hell they were, game over.
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post #371 of 383
2/22/09 at 7:56am
The new trailer shows off a whole bunch of the story- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQWv...e=channel_page

About as ridiculous as you'd expect. Looks like that Leviathan creature is back.
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post #372 of 383
2/22/09 at 11:08am
Nice, reminds me of Code: Veronica in a way.
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post #373 of 383
2/22/09 at 3:42pm
I hate Japanese storytelling in games. It eats away at me from the inside and rots my soul with pure hate.
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post #374 of 383
2/22/09 at 3:55pm
and fills your vagina with eels ammirite
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post #375 of 383
2/22/09 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello View Post
The new trailer shows off a whole bunch of the story- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQWv...e=channel_page

About as ridiculous as you'd expect. Looks like that Leviathan creature is back.
Hey look, there's another black guy that helps the good guys. The game's not racist after all.
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post #376 of 383
2/22/09 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Hey look, there's another black guy that helps the good guys. The game's not racist after all.
That's just Sheva's uncle, Tom.
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post #377 of 383
3/5/09 at 10:13am
Got my hands on the full version last night and I must say I was highly impressed. The game is just beautiful and it has a very cinematic feel to it. Unlike some of the older R.E.'s its action packed almost right from the rip. The use of co-op in this game is quite brilliant at times so your gonna want to play through with a buddy. My only complaints so far are that controls are a little touchy and the load time kinda disrupts the flow of the game at times. Other than that its a must have IMO
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post #378 of 383
3/9/09 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by IGN
There's been a fair amount of media discussion around the question of whether Resident Evil 5 has racist overtones due to its African setting and the fact that the main character (at least on the first playthrough) is a white man shooting black people in their native land. I personally didn't find Resident Evil 5 to have an overtly racist feel, but I did find one aspect of it a bit disturbing. It was a bit strange to realize I was wandering around Africa stealing the region's gold, precious gems and expensive native treasures, which I then cashed in to pay for weapon upgrades. Add in the fact that I ended up killing the parasitically infected villagers and townspeople of the area with said weapons, and the discomfort comes full circle.

But I long ago lost count of the number if videogames I've played whose in-game economies, storylines and character motivations made absolutely no sense. And I suppose the people of Kijuju won't be needing their treasures anymore anyway, seeing as they've all been infected with a parasite and then killed by me. Consider it money well spent on ridiculously powerful weapons.
This sums it up. "Yeah, I had this weird, nagging feeling that raiding African villages for loot was somehow wrong. But that was before I got my hands on the LASER GATLING GUN!"
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post #379 of 383
3/9/09 at 1:31pm
$20 gift card from Toys R US if you buy it this Friday or Saturday.
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post #380 of 383
3/9/09 at 5:04pm
Hey guys,

Haven't been here in a LONG while but decided to stop by with some goodies...just to make the RE5 wait a bit longer here is a taste of the soundtrack.

http://downloads.evilunleashed.com/m...Track/view.php

Track 5 "Pray" is the RE5 theme song and it is down right awesome...just takes a bit to get going.
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post #381 of 383
3/9/09 at 11:15pm
Tried to pre-order the Collector's Edition this past saturday, but every store had already met it's quota on them, so I got turned away.

Turned out to be good for me, because Deep Discount has it for $78.99 with free shipping!
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post #382 of 383
3/10/09 at 2:13am
Oooh, only eighty bucks for a sixty dollar game and some useless crap? Where do I sign?

I'm sorry, but I will go to my grave failing to understand why so many of you fall for this Ultimate Collector's Edition business. The tin case and the plastic toy really aren't going to enhance my enjoyment of a video game.
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post #383 of 383
3/10/09 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Oooh, only eighty bucks for a sixty dollar game and some useless crap? Where do I sign?

I'm sorry, but I will go to my grave failing to understand why so many of you fall for this Ultimate Collector's Edition business. The tin case and the plastic toy really aren't going to enhance my enjoyment of a video game.
Oh, but you get a pendent in the shape of Africa!

I won't be buying this, due to the fact that I don't want a fucking AI sidekick for the ENTIRE game (don't play online). It should have been an option.
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