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post #251 of 272
7/14/10 at 5:09pm
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Seeing as this is the spoiler thread, I thought I'd throw this up while I'm here and thinking about Peaks (writing up this week's episodes now):

I'm struck by how many "hints" there are about the identity of the killer throughout the series so far. So many lines and moments now strike me as BIG HONKIN' clues. I've been restraining myself from ruining it for people in the column, because the temptation to point to details like "Don't you ruin this too," or the altered hair, or his spiralling madness, is almost overwhelming.

I know that no one, including Wise, knew in advance who the killer would end up being - but it sure feels as though Lynch and Frost knew it from the very first episode. Which is nice.
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post #252 of 272
7/14/10 at 5:12pm
But don't you think you'd "find" just as many clues in other characters' behavior had it turned out to be them? Ever'body wildin' in Twin Peaks.

One moment in the pilot I liked was Andy bursting into tears upon trying to photograph the (at that point) anonymous corpse, only to be chastised by Truman and the doctor. Then they pull the plastic back and OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER for the next 30 minutes. Interesting little commentary on empathy in there; Andy's a joke for crying over a dead stranger, but once we find out it's the pretty shiny prom queen (who, ironically, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS!) the whole town is sobbing.
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post #253 of 272
7/14/10 at 5:41pm
I think it's tricky. I'm about to actually start my first rewatch of the series so I'll have to comment on this once I do.

But from what I remember, most of what Leland did could easily be attributed to him just fucking losing it rather than being the culprit.

Man, I'll never forget the first time I saw the "hair reveal." Of course, my avatar/sig certainly wouldn't have given away that I'm a fan of that moment.
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post #254 of 272
7/14/10 at 6:12pm
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I really like that about that scene, Phil. That's a good observation. But no, I don't think I'd feel that way about other people in the town despite the fact that there's no shortage of the Wild or the Crazy in Twin Peaks, and no shortage of suspects/suspicious behavior.
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post #255 of 272
7/14/10 at 6:18pm
One of my favorite lines is still Albert's:

"I know, Andy. I know, I know, I know. It's what we call a 'real three-hanky crime.'"
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post #256 of 272
7/14/10 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by joeypants View Post
One of my favorite lines is still Albert's:

"I know, Andy. I know, I know, I know. It's what we call a 'real three-hanky crime.'"
Just watched that. I love that Andy cannot get Albert's last name right.
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post #257 of 272
7/14/10 at 6:21pm
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I really like that about that scene, Phil. That's a good observation. But no, I don't think I'd feel that way about other people in the town despite the fact that there's no shortage of the Wild or the Crazy in Twin Peaks, and no shortage of suspects/suspicious behavior.
Could be - I ain't watched it in 20 years!

Although I taped it off the tv and rewatched it so much back then, that Laura's mom's sobs were like a song I forgot I knew the words to.
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post #258 of 272
7/14/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse Custer View Post
I'm struck by how many "hints" there are about the identity of the killer throughout the series so far. So many lines and moments now strike me as BIG HONKIN' clues. I've been restraining myself from ruining it for people in the column, because the temptation to point to details like "Don't you ruin this too," or the altered hair, or his spiralling madness, is almost overwhelming.
I've seen the electrical foul-up at the gravesite cited as a tip-off to the presence of BOB in Leland, too.
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post #259 of 272
7/15/10 at 6:48am
Re-watching the series I still cant see that it was obvious Leland was the killer in the first 15 or so episodes. Purely for the reason that he acted like a grieving father and anyone who killed someone else would probably not show remorse so publicly.

In the episode where Leland dies though and when he confesses on the floor of the jail cell he says something about Bob not being inside him all of the time, so his grieving,dancing and generally distraught behaviour may well have been on occasions when Bob was not inside him and he was confronted with the horror of what he had done.
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post #260 of 272
7/15/10 at 7:22am
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Re-watching the series I still cant see that it was obvious Leland was the killer in the first 15 or so episodes. Purely for the reason that he acted like a grieving father and anyone who killed someone else would probably not show remorse so publicly.

In the episode where Leland dies though and when he confesses on the floor of the jail cell he says something about Bob not being inside him all of the time, so his grieving,dancing and generally distraught behaviour may well have been on occasions when Bob was not inside him and he was confronted with the horror of what he had done.
Yeah but didn't they plan or never revealing the killer and then made shit up as they went along? I mean it can't be obvious without a plan can it?
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post #261 of 272
7/15/10 at 7:43am
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Yeah but didn't they plan or never revealing the killer and then made shit up as they went along? I mean it can't be obvious without a plan can it?
Word is that they knew from the beginning but the plan was to have it never revealed and the series to continue around the investigation. Pressure from the casual audience and the network meant they had to reveal the killer earlier than planned.

Once the killer is revealed the show really coasts along for about 5 episodes before finding its footing again with the Windom Earle/Black Lodge plotline. They may as well filmed all the characters standing around the sets asking 'What now?'
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post #262 of 272
7/15/10 at 9:13am
I could've sworn Waldo was saying "Leland, No!" but all the trasncripts I've found say he was implicating Leo. Makes sense, I'm not even sure Leland would've come into contact with the minor bird as he dragged the girls up to the train cart.
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post #263 of 272
7/16/10 at 10:22pm
Donna has three sisters if the later part of Season 2 is to be belived. I would've liked to see that play out.
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post #264 of 272
5/9/12 at 12:00pm

I've been watching this on Instant with my daughter, who's obsessed with Audrey's style and just bought a pair of saddle shoes.  The second season (so far) is way better than I remember it being. 

 

I have to say that with such a wealth of amazing characters and actors, Miguel Ferrer's Agent Albert Rosenfield is easily one of my favorites.  "Oh, look, it's trying to think."   I also love Ben and Jerry Horne's obsession with food.  Such a great show.  Has television ever been like this or will it ever be again?  Not likely. 

 

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The great David Patrick Kelly.

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post #265 of 272
5/10/12 at 6:53am
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I've been watching this on Instant with my daughter, who's obsessed with Audrey's style and just bought a pair of saddle shoes.  The second season (so far) is way better than I remember it being. 

Aside from the wretched James Hurley storyline, I really liked season 2 as well. The series finale is astonishing.

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post #266 of 272
5/10/12 at 7:12am

Hard to believe Lara Flynn Boyle actually had blood in her veins back then.

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post #267 of 272
5/10/12 at 10:55am

Once Windom Earle shows up after all the "James/black widow" shenanigans, the show reaches almost Season 1-levels of greatness again, for my money. That final episode still stands as one of the most batshit-insane things Lynch has ever directed in his career (and for fucking major-network broadcast TV, no less).

 

And Albert is the greatest role Ferrer has ever played, or will ever play. Period.

 

("The letter B, from Ronette's finger, was cut from a copy of Flesh World. Perfect match. This particular edition features swinger's clubs for standard poodle-enthusiasts. No comment.")

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post #268 of 272
5/12/12 at 8:29pm

The second season was very uneven.   There was a very natural ending point to the series when the Laura Palmer arc ended 6 episodes into the second season.   After that, the quality really dropped like a stone for a good 10 episodes.   It was pretty obvious the show runners didn't have a "post-Laura Palmer" storyline in place but the season did have its moments.   Namely, the Windom Earl arc, the crazy ass finale and......Billy Zane.

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post #269 of 272
6/20/12 at 12:02pm

I just finished watching season 1 again the other day, and I started thinking about how if (and only if) Lynch were involved, I so wish Twin Peaks would get the Dallas treatment.  Just start it up again, picking up twenty-something years later.  Just start up with something like Cooper has been missing for twenty whatever years after Annie was found murdered.  He pops up again out of no nowhere.  Or he doesn't.   Maybe they do something completely different.  Who cares.  I would just like to see it back on, with Lynch fully supporting it.  And seriously, are any of those people doing anything but guest spots, bit appearances, or convention appearances?  I'm sure 90% of that cast would be clamoring to have a regular gig again.

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post #270 of 272
6/20/12 at 12:07pm

I would be completely down with that.  Except that they'd totally make Damon Lindelof an executive producer and we'd end up with 20 episodes of some really talented young actor like Zach Gilford screaming "I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BLACK LODGE!!!!" and Ray Wise shouting back "YOU CAN'T KNOW!!!!"

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post #271 of 272
6/20/12 at 1:01pm
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I just finished watching season 1 again the other day, and I started thinking about how if (and only if) Lynch were involved, I so wish Twin Peaks would get the Dallas treatment.  Just start it up again, picking up twenty-something years later.  Just start up with something like Cooper has been missing for twenty whatever years after Annie was found murdered.  He pops up again out of no nowhere.  Or he doesn't.   Maybe they do something completely different.  Who cares.  I would just like to see it back on, with Lynch fully supporting it.  And seriously, are any of those people doing anything but guest spots, bit appearances, or convention appearances?  I'm sure 90% of that cast would be clamoring to have a regular gig again.

 

The more Lynch was scarce around the set, the more the show lost its way about half-way through the second season.  But if Lynch were present and running the show, I'd love this.  Just judging from my daughter and her friends, Netflix has exposed a whole new generation to the greatness of David Patrick Kelly's sandwich and the Log's various messages, so the time could be right. 

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post #272 of 272
6/20/12 at 1:39pm

Also, if anyone is interested in seeing some of the cast on screen together again, check out the season 5 episode of Psych (it's streaming) called Dual Spires.  It's a light, fun Twin Peaks homage with tons of in jokes.  Definately worth the 45 or so minutes if you are a Twin Peaks fan.

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