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Paramore showed such promise

post #1 of 55
12/20/08 at 4:36pm
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Until this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvnkAtWcKYg

Twilight is poisoning everything.
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post #2 of 55
12/20/08 at 4:38pm
Paramore was shit always.
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post #3 of 55
12/20/08 at 6:00pm
Paramore is fun in Rock Band.
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post #4 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:07pm
No one cared about the music. Guys just wanted to fuck the singer.
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post #5 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:14pm
Hasn't this song been out for months?
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post #6 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:33pm
The "music video" parts of that are lit and shot better than the bits from Twilight.
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post #7 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by halofan1 View Post
Twilight is poisoning everything.
I can't imagine how insular and unfortunate your universe is. I can avoid Twilight with ease, aside from brief glimpses of television commercials which may not actually be related to the property (as I rarely focus on it)...and CHUD.com dissertations.

Also, I'm wondering why Twilight castmembers look so goddamn homely. Especially the lead chick. She's actually pretty in the world of mortals who don't wish they were vampires. But everybody looks like a crackwhore in that film, it seems. Is that what the kids are going for these days? Hmm...usually the subjects of these vacuous, superficial shows are at least sexy, but now they're just stupid shows with vacuous dumb ugly people. I guess we need something more relatable.
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post #8 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:43pm
Paramore was never EVER good. She has the whiniest voice in the music industry. The modern alternative station on XM prior to the merger going into effect used to play them a lot. I quit listening to that station to avoid them. It made my life much more pleasant.
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post #9 of 55
12/20/08 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by Hundred View Post
Paramore is fun in Rock Band.
I'll echo this.

Except for that song, though, recording three cats in heat at a Fall Out Boy concert for 90 minutes can achieve much the same results.
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post #10 of 55
12/31/08 at 3:57pm
There are worse bands than Paramore out there. Much worse.
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post #11 of 55
1/1/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
There are worse bands than Paramore out there. Much worse.
Hey, leave Brokencyde out of this!!
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post #12 of 55
1/1/09 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Mr.Crowley View Post
Hey, leave Brokencyde out of this!!
RRRAAWWAAARARARAR!!!
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post #13 of 55
1/3/09 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Mr.Crowley View Post
Hey, leave Brokencyde out of this!!
Who? I was thinking more along the lines of Wombats, Foals, and X-Factor style people. The British pop/"rock" mediocrity, if you will.
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post #14 of 55
1/3/09 at 1:39pm
Fuck you man, Foals are awesome.
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post #15 of 55
1/3/09 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Foals are awesome.
Foals are far from awesome. The evidence is bountiful and lightweight in nature. And available from all good retailers.
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post #16 of 55
1/3/09 at 1:45pm
Seeing them live twice and owning their EP/Album will refute that. I can understand having issue with the scene friendly likes of The Wombats and the X-Factor candidates murdering Hallelujah but what's your issue with Foals who to my knowledge are still fairly low key and kind of talented.
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post #17 of 55
1/3/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Seeing them live twice and owning their EP/Album will refute that. I can understand having issue with the scene friendly likes of The Wombats and the X-Factor candidates murdering Hallelujah but what's your issue with Foals who to my knowledge are still fairly low key and kind of talented.
I've not watched them live and have no desire to buy anything they release. Standing or popularity has no bearing on my distaste for them. Foals, from the songs I've heard, typify the current crop of instantly forgettable "indie kids." Their songs, presumably written with the Plinky Plonky Songwriting Guide left at open at the chord section, bring nothing of note to the table.

Also, this has no bearing on the quality (or lack of) in their music, but look at them. Get some clothes that fit, Foals. And stop dancing like Joy Division rejects. You have none of their charm.

If cherry-picking elements from existing bands and welding them together in lieu of using your own personality can be construed as talent, then yes, Foals are talented.
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post #18 of 55
1/3/09 at 3:15pm
Foals are Math Rock, their song writing is vastly different from the majority of Indie Rock groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DVn1GHBtA
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post #19 of 55
1/3/09 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks View Post
RRRAAWWAAARARARAR!!!
Are you wearing a pink shirt, B_Metal?
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post #20 of 55
1/3/09 at 5:49pm
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Paramore showed such promise
They... did?
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post #21 of 55
1/3/09 at 5:54pm
Haley never did a spread in Maxim wearing her panties and clutching a teddy bear.

That's how you sell albums ladies and gentlemen.
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post #22 of 55
1/3/09 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
I've not watched them live and have no desire to buy anything they release. Standing or popularity has no bearing on my distaste for them. Foals, from the songs I've heard, typify the current crop of instantly forgettable "indie kids." Their songs, presumably written with the Plinky Plonky Songwriting Guide left at open at the chord section, bring nothing of note to the table.

Also, this has no bearing on the quality (or lack of) in their music, but look at them. Get some clothes that fit, Foals. And stop dancing like Joy Division rejects. You have none of their charm.
You really need to catch them live before judging them with such a high level nit-pickyness. I think you will be surprised.
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post #23 of 55
1/3/09 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Barkatthemoon View Post
Haley never did a spread in Maxim wearing her panties and clutching a teddy bear.
All the more reason to recognize her hotness.
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post #24 of 55
1/3/09 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
You really need to catch them live before judging them with such a high level nit-pickyness. I think you will be surprised.
I doubt it, but I will trust you. That's what you get for having exquisite taste and commanding my respect!

My nit-picking is vindicated. They've played and done a DJ set in Belfast around the last month or so. They'll probably be back soon. Maybe, my intolerance will have leveled-off by then.
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post #25 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Foals are Math Rock, their song writing is vastly different from the majority of Indie Rock groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DVn1GHBtA
Eh...Drive Like Jehu did it better.
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post #26 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:19pm
I'll cop to really enjoying the last Paramore album. It's polished almost to the point of absurdity, but this works in its favor. It's total pop radio fodder that thinks it's more rock than it actually is, which is kind of charming. And regardless of whether she's actually hitting all of those notes or the band is really that tight, the production on Riot makes it sound like they are, and, if viewed in more of a pop context than a rock context, it's not all that relevant a question. It's either the album that Kelly Clarkson should have made to go with "Since U Been Gone" or the album that Jimmy Eat World should have made after Bleed American.
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post #27 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Foals are Math Rock, their song writing is vastly different from the majority of Indie Rock groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DVn1GHBtA
This sounds like the same shit that's been coming out of New York for the last seven years.
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post #28 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Are you wearing a pink shirt, B_Metal?
Yes, and it's three sizes to small and I'm strangling my wife as she looks at me with those "how did I get myself into this?" eyes.
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post #29 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Foals are Math Rock, their song writing is vastly different from the majority of Indie Rock groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DVn1GHBtA
"Math Rock"? That song was in 4/4 the entire time. I know a lot of bands that play a lot stuff in 5/4, 7/8, and 13/8 (mine included) and even they (or we) aren't pretentious enough to label themselves "Math Rock". Maybe their other songs feature odd time signatures that would classify them as that, but from the example you gave, it just sounds like the have a loose drummer backed up by a synthesizer and a lot of pro tools.
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post #30 of 55
1/3/09 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
This sounds like the same shit that's been coming out of New York for the last seven years.
Yeah, it's Math Rock. But it's a different thing entirely to the Wombats and X-Factor winners.
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post #31 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:11pm
That's not math rock. They don't have the time signature bullshit to be math rock.

They're a bunch of scavengers.
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post #32 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:17pm
Yeah, it kind of sounds like they took some of the tendencies associated with math rock (the clean, single notes on guitar; spare, exacting drumming) and removed all things mathematical from them.
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post #33 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:21pm
Christ, Foals sound horrible. Christ, forgive me!

Something about them is very hard to listen to, but I lack the musical knowledge to explain this well; except that it's repetitive and aggravating, like Battles if they were...I dunno. Trying to be a pop band?
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post #34 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:23pm
I did listen to their song "Tron", and it seems to go back and forth between 4/4 and 6/8, though those are both pretty straight forward time signatures. According to their wiki, a guy in the band used to be in a math rock band, so I guess there's that? I think the whole "Math Rock" label sounds ridiculous anyway.
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post #35 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:30pm
I have no understanding of what is supposed to be math rock...are the musicians somehow writing equations and making them musical as would Morrissey with his books of poetry? Certainly Battles are not 'math rock'; just had to affirm this, since I brought them up earlier.
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post #36 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:35pm
I think it's supposed to be a blend of Progressive and Post? The progressive thing makes sense from the odd time signatures, as for Post, I guess Foals sounds like Mogwai, if Mogwai wasn't very good.
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post #37 of 55
1/3/09 at 11:52pm
i know this will win me no friends, but i have a serious soft spot for Paramore's sound. it's incredibly lite, but catchy as hell and seemingly without self-absorption. i could probably afford one more guilty pleasure, and Paramore's worthy enough to be one.
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post #38 of 55
1/4/09 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by DaveB;2477401 And regardless of whether she's actually hitting all of those notes or the band is really that tight, the production on [I
Riot [/I]makes it sound like they are, and, if viewed in more of a pop context than a rock context, it's not all that relevant a question.
Are they supposed to be a rock band? Wow, I just assumed they were a pop band who discovered Butch Walker's (or Butch Vig's, take your pick) production style.
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post #39 of 55
1/4/09 at 10:17am
Here here, Devin. Foals aren't even as tolerable as some of New York/America's offerings.
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post #40 of 55
1/4/09 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
"Math Rock"? That song was in 4/4 the entire time. I know a lot of bands that play a lot stuff in 5/4, 7/8, and 13/8 (mine included) and even they (or we) aren't pretentious enough to label themselves "Math Rock". Maybe their other songs feature odd time signatures that would classify them as that, but from the example you gave, it just sounds like the have a loose drummer backed up by a synthesizer and a lot of pro tools.
Bang-on, Chris. That's what I'm talking about. Marginally different guitar work and a wardrobe doesn't warrant labeling "Math Rock."
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post #41 of 55
1/4/09 at 10:25am
Why is the wardrobe important? Surely it should just be about the music.. be it good or crap?
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post #42 of 55
1/4/09 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Yeah, it's Math Rock. But it's a different thing entirely to the Wombats and X-Factor winners.
Not in terms of the response they elicit. Yes, they don't sound exactly like the Wombats and X-Factor winners/etc. Of course, they don't. The time when a distinction between pop and rock (on the broadest possible scale) existed in British music is long gone. Quality, integrity, and relevance are in short supply. Banding around terms like "math rock" does little to help matters. Time was, good bands were easy to find. Now, it feels noticeably harder.
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post #43 of 55
1/4/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
Why is the wardrobe important? Surely it should just be about the music..?
It isn't important. Hence, why the Pixies were the Pixies. The problem with Foals is that the way they look is more memorable than their music. And not in a good way.

It's always just about the music. Enter the rant against mediocrity.
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post #44 of 55
1/4/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Are they supposed to be a rock band? Wow, I just assumed they were a pop band who discovered Butch Walker's (or Butch Vig's, take your pick) production style.
No, under the gloss, they're certainly a rock band. I mean, they're really somewhere in between, but I have a feeling that they're coming at it with the idea that they're more akin to Sunny Day Real Estate or Jimmy Eat World than Pink or Kelly Clarkson.
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post #45 of 55
1/4/09 at 1:11pm
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I have no understanding of what is supposed to be math rock...are the musicians somehow writing equations and making them musical as would Morrissey with his books of poetry? Certainly Battles are not 'math rock'; just had to affirm this, since I brought them up earlier.
No, the musicians are writing in unusual and shifting time signatures or in a way that requires a greater-than-usual bit of counting to determine where the beats are.

As you find when you try to apply any sort of genre label to any artist, there's a fair bit of category leak, but I'd say there are moments on Battles' album that more than qualify as math rock ("Ddiamondd," "Snare Hanger").
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post #46 of 55
1/4/09 at 1:29pm
So essentially the discussion is 'why aren't there good bands anymore?'

I think discounting a band because 'their wardrobe is more important than their music' is kind of bizarre, because its a fallacy of a statement anyways and bands have always been inextricably linked to their image. Even groups like the Arcade Fire, who seem to take concious decision to limit their exposure at times, have got an easily recognisable and identifiable image.

Whenever I hear people talk about their not being good new bands anymore I just assume that they're past it musically, because there are always exciting new bands and new albums coming out. The problem is that at the moment the sheer amount of media attention, in the UK at least, on up and coming bands means that certain groups are getting thrust into the limelight before they've really had a chance to secure themselves as a band.
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post #47 of 55
1/4/09 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
So essentially the discussion is 'why aren't there good bands anymore?'
I think that's only true if you assume that Paramore and/or The Foals = all bands.
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post #48 of 55
1/4/09 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Time was, good bands were easy to find. Now, it feels noticeably harder.
I was more referring to that.
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post #49 of 55
1/4/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
So essentially the discussion is 'why aren't there good bands anymore?'

I think discounting a band because 'their wardrobe is more important than their music' is kind of bizarre, because its a fallacy of a statement anyways and bands have always been inextricably linked to their image. Even groups like the Arcade Fire, who seem to take concious decision to limit their exposure at times, have got an easily recognisable and identifiable image.

Whenever I hear people talk about their not being good new bands anymore I just assume that they're past it musically, because there are always exciting new bands and new albums coming out. The problem is that at the moment the sheer amount of media attention, in the UK at least, on up and coming bands means that certain groups are getting thrust into the limelight before they've really had a chance to secure themselves as a band.
The thread was about Paramore, before it turned into a Foals-apologist thread.

If you read what I posted carefully, you'd know I echo the sentiment that music should be about music, first to last. Fashion is irrelevant. I certainly didn't discount Foals based on their appearance.

Not once did the words "there aren't any good bands or albums anymore" (or any words/paraphrases to that effect) appear in any of my posts above. Of course, there are exciting new bands now, as there have been for decades.

I get what you mean about too much too soon in terms of attention, but, to be fair, that just seems like an excuse. Any band worth their salt should be able to handle a sudden rise in status, at least to some extent. If they're good enough and want "it" bad enough, they'd up their game and either prosper or get found out. You can't get to that level of prominence without doing your homework.
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post #50 of 55
1/4/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
No, under the gloss, they're certainly a rock band. I mean, they're really somewhere in between, but I have a feeling that they're coming at it with the idea that they're more akin to Sunny Day Real Estate or Jimmy Eat World than Pink or Kelly Clarkson.
Absolutely.
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