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Waltz With Bashir

post #1 of 14
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In Waltz With Bashir Ari Folman's decision to animate the scenes being described in the same way he animates the present day interviews means they are so much more alive than any live-action dramatisation I've ever seen. If it's not the first time the technique (fully animated documentary) has been shown in film, it's definitely the first time I've seen it, and I hope I see it again.

It goes a long, long way to solving a problem with the use of re-creation in documantaries. In almost all cases I've seen in docos dramatisations lack drama, they actually lessen the impact of what is being told by showing sub-standard approximations. The approximations in Waltz With Bashir are as accurate as sniper fire.

On top of that there are images and sequences every bit as beautiful for their perfect simplicity as anything those beloved magicians at Pixar have shown me, and what the film says about not just memory but about the actions real men will take under the stresses of battle meant Waltz With Bashir is the most affecting movie I saw that was released in 2008.
post #2 of 14
I kicked myself for a week when I missed it at our Festival back in October. The buzz was superb. Now I have no idea when I'll get to see it.
post #3 of 14
It's playing at the Laemmle Royal and I am depressingly broke until Wednesday. I might have to resort to offering a senior citizen a hand-o in exchange for a ticket.
post #4 of 14
A very unique film. Not exactly a crowdpleaser (the final few minutes are haunting and completely sobering), but an education as well as a completely succesful stylistic exercise.

I felt like I knew nothing about the Lebanon conflict until I'd seen this. Admittedly, this is focussing on a very specific moment and a very specific group of experiences, but the way the "story" unfolds is gripping, especially with the reliance on dreams, visions and their interpretations. Which leads into the choice to do it as animation.

As the first post says, it just wouldn't have been possible - or if possible, not nearly as powerful - to convey so succinctly the imagery on display had the film been made as live action. The style is simple, but just right - Folman went on record as saying that every person shown had to have a "face", but he didn't want to go the Waking Life/Scanner Darkly route, as the technique would distract from the content, and he and his artistic directors pulled it off beautifully.

Fine, fine film, one that throws light onto a subject that not many in the Western world remember or care about and does so in an incredibly concise way.
post #5 of 14
Saw this yesterday. Man, what an experience. Really fantastic, innovative film, with an ending you won't soon forget.

It's funny, before the film we saw the trailer for that movie about the women paratroopers (I'm blanking on the name) and it used recreation footage to show what was going on with them. It reminded me of one of those horrible true crime shows- and when Waltz was finished I remarked how it would have lost all its meaning if it had been done in that same way.

Truly a remarkable film. For those who haven't heard about it- http://www.chud.com/articles/article...LTZ/Page1.html
post #6 of 14
Had to write about this- http://chud.com/articles/articles/17...HIR/Page1.html

We should really move this thread to Focused Film. NYC- it's playing at the Landmark Sunshine but not sure for how much longer. Get on this.
post #7 of 14
Excellent review, Alex. Short and to the point, much like the film.
post #8 of 14
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Yeah, nicely said Alex. One of the things that give it so much resonance, for me at least, is the way a couple of the guys admit to being, not altogether cowardly, but something less than heroic in battle. You're not just getting recounted combat events from the stories these former soldiers are telling, you're being let in on the feelings they have about the way their 20 year old selves handled themselves in one of the most high stakes environments there is and because they're now stripped of the bravado of youth you get truths those 20 year old soldiers might very well not have told you. That we are given those 20 year old faces to go with the 45 year old faces and voices gives it (maybe ironically given the visual medium) more realism, more visceral punch.

One other thing I've been running over in my mind ("something you will mull over and think about for days" - you're dead right there) is that the ending does enough to counter Truffaut's argument that it's impossible to make an anti-war movie, because war invariably looks exciting onscreen. I don't know if he meant to include documentary in that but there seems no argument that everything until that real footage in Waltz With Bashir is beautiful in some way (save maybe the scene of the horses, which made me sick - but even that repulsive vista is rendered with an ugly elegance). It's not that the film glorifies war, but because the imagery is so well drawn and the colours so evocative, the film can't help but make it look cool.

The ending strips all that away when you finally arrive at it, lays bare the ugly, nightmarish, heartbreaking truth. And in doing so it crystalizes the preceding 89 animated minutes as starkly real and without glory.
post #9 of 14
Exactly, that's why it's so genius. At the end of a day a cartoon is still a cartoon, and no matter how it's presented and based on real life it's still not real. Shocking, yes, but we can hide behind the visuals and accept it as just a story. Till we get hit with that end scene and are shocked into reality in the harshest way possible. It brings the atrocities to life in a way that very few films have.

It's interesting that they always pick the most exciting parts for the trailer- we've got tanks crushing cars, people shooting all over, and of course the pumping music. "THIS NO LOVE SONG", indeed. But eh, any way they can rope them in.

Thanks, guys. I could go on and on about this movie but figured that for a review it was better to give the gist of it and let people experience it for themselves.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello View Post
At the end of a day a cartoon is still a cartoon, and no matter how it's presented and based on real life it's still not real. Shocking, yes, but we can hide behind the visuals and accept it as just a story.
That's true enough from a certain point of view but could be interpreted as saying the animated nature of the film couches the stories in some kind of safety padding. I'm pretty sure that's not what you're saying but I don't want anyone to misunderstand this point.

While a cartoon is never as real as real footage would be, in the absence of real footage Ari Folman chose complete* animation over dramatisation or fictionalisation or talking heads or any combination of those and it works more effectively than any of those other approaches could have**. Because the interviews themselves are animated it elevates the recreations, it places them in the same world.

True, cartoon, no matter how it's presented is still not real. But even before that final minute it's powerful stuff, it's packed with truth. The ending, while it strips away any sense of the coolness of the tanks and rocket launchers and grenades, it doesn't strip away the truth of what we've seen, it doesn't make the animated scenes seem fake by contrast with that final scene's reality. What is does is bring the truth*** in those animated scenes that make up the story of the film into the real world, where war isn't thrilling or beautiful.


*As opposed to animating only parts of the film in combination with talking heads or something.

** That's not to say the other approaches couldn't make a good film, just that the way Folman has made this film gives it strengths that even the best writers and actors couldn't. When you're watching Eric Bana in Munich for example, true story or not, you end up knowing you've watched Eric Bana. When you've watched Waltz With Bashir, with the visual story illuminated by the voices of the real people, you feel like you've really seen them in action.

*** And it's a human truth I'm talking about, not necessarily the truth of the action in the accounts themselves. Apart from the fact that halucinations and dreams are shown which didn't really happen, the film lets us know that memory is not wholly to be trusted. That the events happened at all is acknowledged history, and that the men are willing to lay at least some of their flaws bare points to the accounts being honest tellings of their memories, but we know even as we listen we should never completely trust even the most honestly accounted memories.


Fuck this film is so good.
post #11 of 14
So it's the Persepolis of 2008? I'm down.
post #12 of 14
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So it's the Persepolis of 2008? I'm down.
It has similarities but Waltz With Bashir is a different kind of beast. It's documentary, voiced (in all but two cases) by the people in the story. The two stand-in actors that are used read from transcripts of the interviews, so the film is told from several accounts and part of the power of it is that you know you're hearing the voices of the people who were taking part.

Persepolis is an autobiography but is played all from one person's perspective and played by actors. It's far more conventional than Waltz With Bashir in that respect.
post #13 of 14
This movie killed me. Jesus Christ. I was fine until the actual photos of dead people showed up and I realized exactly what they had done.
post #14 of 14
Just a brutal film from start to finish, beginning with an animated dream sequence of menacing dogs out for revenge and ending with real footage of the despair wrought by utter carnage. These scenes bookend the filmmaker's search for truth in memory only to find that the best way to come to terms with one's own complicity is to face the cold, hard facts. And this journey from dream to memory to fact culminates with nothing more sobering than the piles of bodies and rubble set to the score of a woman in agony. A powerful film that looks beyond the "greatest hits" of War Is Hell and delves into the human psyche and how we use it to protect ourselves from the past as well as what is currently going on around us.
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