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The Sword and the Sorcerer (1982)

post #1 of 56
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I'm pretty certain that I haven't seen this film all the way through since the late 80's, maybe as long ago as '87, and it was an itch that I had to scratch, so I bought the DVD a month or two ago.

It's the kind of cheapo, but high-spirited knockabout production that doesn't get made anymore, and it works mainly because Albert Pyun knew how to squeeze production value out of a penny back then, and because Lee Horsley is a reasonably charming lead who approaches the role of "Talon" with a greatly appreciated jocosity.

Richard Lynch is Richard Lynch, and he's not able to do much of anything with his villain "Titus Cromwell" other than exude a sort of basic sliminess and arrogance. It's simply not enough to make him interesting, Christ, it's not even enough to make him a legitimate threat to the hero.

Richard Moll as Xusia, the sorcerer. A 6 ft 8 inch tower of walking placenta, and just about as useful. This character could have just as well have not been in the film (as it is, he disappears early on and doesn't show up again until the end) and it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference. For being the titular sorcerer, it's odd that he proves to be the most extraneous element of the film. His first scene is awesome though, I'll give him that, the wailing blood sarcophagus and the heart-rip and all that is some really cool shit.

The Tri-Blade Projectile Sword. What the fuck? The most awkward and totally impractical featured weapon in the genre's history? Probably.

Kathleen Beller. This is were I get a little dirty. The Sword & Sorcerer was made for teenage boys, it's gory as shit and it's not lacking in the scantily-clad or less-so maidens department. Beller gets into the action a bit, an oil massage, lying flat on her stomach, but anyone that knows what Beller has up top, knows that this is a crime of epic proportions, it's spank bank embezzlement. Shame on you Pyun, if you asked, and she said no, then you didn't ask hard enough.

It's funny that I choose now to revisit this film at the moment that Pyun is in production on the (unofficial) sequel, Tales of an Ancient Empire, the sequel that was promised in the end credits of S&S, but as I said, it looks to have little to nothing in common with the original. The film stars, get this, Kevin Sorbo and Christopher Lambert. From what I understand, Lee Horsley was supposed to involved, but for whatever reason, it appears to have not worked out.

S&S is not a bunch of self-serious pap, it's pulpy and ridiculous without getting caught up in self-parody; the kind of muscular, sub-Robert E. Howard fantasy adventure that I can get behind. It's a cozy viewing experience after 20 odd years.
post #2 of 56
Great analysis. I had a hard time getting past Lee Horsely being "Matt Houston" at the time, and the Kathleen Beller incident was indeed an act of criminal proportions, right up there with Stacey Nelkin's rack somehow remaining hidden in "Halloween 3". It makes up for it in the gore factor though, easily being the splatteriest of the low budget 80's fantasy flicks. I rank it somewhere just above "DeathStalker", but below "The Beastmaster".
post #3 of 56
Fans of Beller should check out The Betsy with a young Tommy Lee Jones. You will be exceptionally happy you did.

I haven't seen Sword since the 80's, but I remember enjoying the hell out of it. It's like the seedier, younger cousin to Conan the Barbarian.
post #4 of 56
Along with 'Hawk, the Slayer', this was probably my favorite of the cheapo sword-and-sorcery flicks that were churned out in the 80s. Your analysis is spot on, especially on Lee Horsley. I really wish that a better job could have been done on the flying sword effects, but that's what you get when you have a really low budget. Thanks for the tip on the long-promised sequel.
post #5 of 56
Any film that has the main charater beat up the bad guys with a leg of lamb, and then go on to be crucfied over a dinner table gets my vote.

I love this film, flaws and all.
post #6 of 56
And the long-awaited sequel promised in the end credits is in production!

This is a better pure sword and sorcery movie than Conan was.

And mad props to Booth for mentioning Hawk the Slayer. One of the guiltiest of my guilty pleasures from my childhood.
post #7 of 56
Richard: Not to derail the thread, but have you seen 'Hawk, the Slayer' recently? I haven't seen it in probably 20 years, and I'm curious if it still holds up.
post #8 of 56
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
And the long-awaited sequel promised in the end credits is in production!

This is a better pure sword and sorcery movie than Conan was.

And mad props to Booth for mentioning Hawk the Slayer. One of the guiltiest of my guilty pleasures from my childhood.
It's better than Deathstalker, but better than Conan? Wha?

I still think it's a pretty bad movie with a handful of really cool scenes. I spent the last few minutes looking for that awesome shot of Horsely jumping head-on toward the camera over some shit in slo-mo, but to no avail.
post #9 of 56
Lest we forget the feats of acting legend Simon MacCorkindale.

On a par with his work in Jaws 3-D, Wing Commander, and his magnum opus...

Manimal
post #10 of 56
Has Richard Lynch EVER played a good guy?
post #11 of 56
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Has Richard Lynch EVER played a good guy?
From Wikipedia...

Although Richard Lynch is best known for playing heavies and villains, he was cast as the President of the United States in the 2007 film Mil Mascaras vs. the Aztec Mummy


I know... I had to look it up myself in order to believe it.
post #12 of 56
Judas Booth, I only remember Richard Lynch portraying villains on screen.
post #13 of 56
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...easily being the splatteriest of the low budget 80's fantasy flicks.
What??? Please tell me you've seen Fulci's CONQUEST.

Xusia's entrance was the stuff of nightmare-inducing legend when I was young. I'm still baffled that my grandparents taped this for me off of cable. They must have had no idea what kind of inappropriate joys it would bring to my boyhood.

EDIT: Watched HAWK THE SLAYER when it debuted on DVD a year or 2 ago. Ridiculous. And Great (in a MST3K kinda way).
post #14 of 56
Judas, I last saw it some time in the 90s with the group I was playing D&D with, and, um, no, it doesn't hold up. I still have a soft spot for it, but it's not in any way a good film.

Minsky, on a pure pulp sword and sorcery level, The Sword and the Sorcerer is truer to the original Howard Conan stories than Conan the Barbarian was.
post #15 of 56
"What's on your mind, potato-head?"

I watched it a zillion times on VHS, back when I played D&D in the 80's (Dickson's avatar makes me laugh).

Hawk The Slayer was the one where he had the double-bladed boomerang thing, right?
post #16 of 56
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Hawk The Slayer was the one where he had the double-bladed boomerang thing, right?
Boy, I don't remember that at all. I'll defer to Richard or Darkmites for that answer.

It DOES have Jack Palance as the bad buy (Voltan?) in full on HAM mode, though.
post #17 of 56
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Has Richard Lynch EVER played a good guy?
In the immortal MST3K classic Werewolf, Lynch plays a kindly archaeologist!
post #18 of 56
Hawk the Slayer had the Mind Sword that moved at the speed of thought. It also had a guy with a repeating crossbow that loaded clips like it was a medieval machine gun or something.
post #19 of 56
Don't forget Crow, the elf. Fuck Legolas, I'll take Crow and his rapid fire arrow shooting ability anyday. If I remember correctly, there was also a dwarf (who got killed early) and a giant with a warhammer.
post #20 of 56
And the "giant" who was actually just a tall guy.
post #21 of 56
I think that the 'giant' was the same actor who played the cyclops in 'Krull'.
post #22 of 56
Indeed he was, Bernard Bresslaw.
post #23 of 56
Holy shit -- Hawk is Jack's dad on Lost!!
post #24 of 56
So far, this thread has brought up:
'The Sword and the Sorcerer'
'Conan the Barbarian'
'Deathstalker'
'The Beastmaster'
'Hawk the Slayer'
'Krull'

Apart from any sequels to the above mentioned movies, what else is there?
post #25 of 56
Don't forget the Ator movies.
post #26 of 56
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Holy shit -- Hawk is Jack's dad on Lost!!
THAT'S where I've seen him before; I KNEW that he looked familiar.

Dammit, I'm buying/renting HtS now.
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post #28 of 56
Sorry, the boomerang thing ("glave") was from Beastmaster.
post #29 of 56
wow, been a long time since i saw this. when i was a kid, i had only seen bits and pieces of it, one of which was the cruicified dinner scene. I had no idea what the movie was or anything and i was asking my friends if they knew what it was. And I would say, "Have you seen this movie where a really buff jesus christ rips himself down from the cross and kills people eating?"

no one knew what i was talking about. I was very happy when i found out...but a little bummed it wasn't jesus christ.
post #30 of 56
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"Have you seen this movie where a really buff jesus christ rips himself down from the cross and kills people eating?"
Somebody resurrect DaVinci. We need a painting of THIS 'last supper'.
post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
So far, this thread has brought up:
'The Sword and the Sorcerer'
'Conan the Barbarian'
'Deathstalker'
'The Beastmaster'
'Hawk the Slayer'
'Krull'

Apart from any sequels to the above mentioned movies, what else is there?
Conquest, as Darkmite8 mentioned. The Conan-like hero's primary weapon is, and I'm dead serious, something that looks almost exactly like Rabbit's foot nunchakus.
Barbarian Queen, with the late Lana Clarkson.
Fire & Ice, if we're not disqualifying it based an the fact that it's animated, because tonally, it's pretty much in line with it's live-action brethren.

Edit: I feel like I'm putting a target on my back here, but I'm hard-pressed to even recall whether or not I've even seen 'Hawk the Slayer'. I certainly know of it, but I simply cannot remember ever sitting through it.

Also, anyone who cares has probably already looked it up, but just in case...http://www.dreadcentral.com/story/fi...ancient-empire
post #32 of 56
Watched this just a few months ago with some friends, also for the first time in probably decades, and we had a much better time non-ironically than we expected. We decided they just don't make Talons anymore. Without even going into the sword or crucifixion:

He's so badass, when he stumbles into a harem, the slavegirls don't just swoon at his sight, they rise up and fight their masters.

He's so badass, when he needs his men they immediately ditch the brothel mid-lay to help him out.

He's so badass, he goes through everything not to reclaim his kingdom or save a people, but to ball the princess, as she promises. When he succeeds, and does, he blows out of town again, looking for adventure.

This is the randy stuff 14-year-old boys' dreams are made of. Among the cheesy 80s fantasy surge, Sword and the Sorcerer's one of the greats.

ETA: My SPACED induction inspired a Hawk The Slayer rental. If I said what I thought about it now, Bilbo would deck me, hard, in the face.
post #33 of 56
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Don't forget Crow, the elf. Fuck Legolas, I'll take Crow and his rapid fire arrow shooting ability anyday. If I remember correctly, there was also a dwarf (who got killed early) and a giant with a warhammer.
Don't forget that crazy electric-light superball show.
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Conquest, as Darkmite8 mentioned. The Conan-like hero's primary weapon is, and I'm dead serious, something that looks almost exactly like Rabbit's foot nunchakus.
The CONQUEST thread!
post #34 of 56
L.A. folks: January 17 at the New Beverly is Sword and Sorcery Day.

Barbarian Queen
Sword & the Sorceror
Conan the Barbarian
Deathstalker 2


Sounds great. I assume bringing your own sword is optional.
post #35 of 56
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L.A. folks: January 17 at the New Beverly is Sword and Sorcery Day.

Barbarian Queen
Sword & the Sorceror
Conan the Barbarian
Deathstalker 2


Sounds great. I assume bringing your own sword is optional.
OK, THAT would be a fun way to spend a winter afternoon. I predict that there will be no more than 5 women there, however.
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
So far, this thread has brought up:
'The Sword and the Sorcerer'
'Conan the Barbarian'
'Deathstalker'
'The Beastmaster'
'Hawk the Slayer'
'Krull'

Apart from any sequels to the above mentioned movies, what else is there?
Yor, Hunter From The Future.

And it staggers me how many of these I saw in first run.
post #37 of 56
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Good GOD, Richard. My fond memories of this film have now been cast asunder. DAMN YOU!!!!!!
post #38 of 56
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What??? Please tell me you've seen Fulci's CONQUEST.
I never categorize Conquest with the slew of low-budget 80's Sword and Sorcery flicks. I consider it a Giallo, gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Also the mentions of 80's S&S flicks would not be complete without Lou Fergino's shot in a disco italian masterpiece Hercules
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
So far, this thread has brought up:
'The Sword and the Sorcerer'
'Conan the Barbarian'
'Deathstalker'
'The Beastmaster'
'Hawk the Slayer'
'Krull'

Apart from any sequels to the above mentioned movies, what else is there?
The worst of the worst...

post #40 of 56
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The worst of the worst...

I distinctly remember one of the twins getting swallowed by a dragon and hacking his way out. Am I remembering wrong? Is that a different 80s S & S flick?

Some old threads for reference:
Sword & Sorcery from the 1980's
80s Fantasy
post #41 of 56
Thread Starter 
Got curious.

The Sword and the Sorcerer
Lifetime Gross: $39,103,425
# of theaters: 660

Compare that with..

Conan the Barbarian
Lifetime Gross: $39,565,475
# of theaters: 1,683

There's probably some B.O. math that I'm not factoring in, but I'm still rather surprised by this.
post #42 of 56
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This is the randy stuff 14-year-old boys' dreams are made of.
Talon, entering the alley where the princess is about to be raped: (to the would-be rapist) "That's a small threat. That's a very small threat."

Later, to the princess: (gesturing with is loins) "But my sword is poised!"

I watched it last night and it holds up pretty well, for it's era. Horsley was pretty great. I'm surprised he didn't have a bigger career in film.
post #43 of 56
Is this available on DVD? Netflix has it as "Unknown" for what seems like years now.
post #44 of 56
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Is this available on DVD? Netflix has it as "Unknown" for what seems like years now.
Yes. I bought it on DVD a couple of years ago.
post #45 of 56
It's OOP, but you can get a copy at Amazon (third party) for $40. I got mine from a street vendor in Sydney ($2 AUS).
post #46 of 56
"I have no quarrel with you!"
"The girl is mine!"
"Now we have a quarrel."
post #47 of 56
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It's OOP, but you can get a copy at Amazon (third party) for $40.
the film really isn't worth $40. I think that I paid $9.99 for it from Best Buy when it came out.
post #48 of 56
This just got a DVD relase in Australia, and I think we're the only ones to get the Albert Pyun-Chris Gore commentary! Fun fact: David Hasselhoff was going to play Talon. I'm glad he didn't, though, because Horsley is surprisingly badass and charismatic here.

And I concur with fellow posters about Beller: her lack of nudity makes me sad in the pants. Pyun has committed many cinematic crimes over the years but not persuading Kathleen to disrobe for art's sake is among the most heinous.
post #49 of 56
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This just got a DVD relase in Australia, and I think we're the only ones to get the Albert Pyun-Chris Gore commentary!
My copy has the 5.1 and 2.0 audio, closed-captioning, two trailers and the tv spot. For the two bucks I paid I won't complain, but I'd like to hear that commentary.

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And I concur with fellow posters about Beller: her lack of nudity makes me sad in the pants. Pyun has committed many cinematic crimes over the years but not persuading Kathleen to disrobe for art's sake is among the most heinous.
I think that even the oil massage she receives (right after the harem scene) is a stunt butt.
post #50 of 56
I seem to remember hearing once that they literally made this thing in like three week's or less time so they could beat Conan the Barbarian to theatres and ride the coattails of its early hype. It was such a rushed production a stuntman was killed doubling for Richard Moll.
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