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Sanjay Gupta may become the Surgeon General

post #1 of 40
1/7/09 at 7:27am
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I guess this boosts Judge Judy's shot at the Supreme Court.
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post #2 of 40
1/7/09 at 7:37am
IMO a great choice. When is the last time anyone paid attention to what the SG said?
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post #3 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:01pm
Michael Moore's gonna be really happy.
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post #4 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:11pm
Well the guy is a nerosurgeon and a White House fellow.
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post #5 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Well the guy is a nerosurgeon and a White House fellow.
Yeah, I was gonna say, he might be known mostly for his CNN airtime but he's got a bit more credibility than the Hon. Sheindlin
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post #6 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:19pm
I figure Devin was just making a joke.

Oddly enough there is a Christopher Buckley book about a tv judge getting put on to the Supreme Court.
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post #7 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
I figure Devin was just making a joke.
I don't think so.

The position is fairly high profile (and basically the leading spokesman for health in the US). This nominee is best known for being a CNN spokesman. I think the comparison to Judge Judy is apt.
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post #8 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:25pm
Better Judge Judy than that Ana María Polo cunt from Caso Cerrado.

...what? No Telemundo fans here?

*lowers head, kicks can limply*
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post #9 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:26pm
Being a medical correspondent for CNN and a neurosurgeon carries a little more heft than presiding over small claims court on syndicated TV.
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post #10 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Being a medical correspondent for CNN and a neurosurgeon carries a little more heft than presiding over small claims court on syndicated TV.
Before she was on syndicated TV, she was a family courts judge, so she does have experience (much as Sanjay has experience before becoming a CNN correspondent).

Still an apt comparison.
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post #11 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:56pm
Sheesh.
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post #12 of 40
1/7/09 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
I don't think so.

The position is fairly high profile (and basically the leading spokesman for health in the US). This nominee is best known for being a CNN spokesman. I think the comparison to Judge Judy is apt.
Gupta is/has been "professor of neurosurgery at Emory University School of Medicine and associate chief of the neurosurgery service at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta", and was also "one of fifteen White House Fellows, primarily as an advisor to Hillary Clinton", "writing speeches and crafting policy for Hillary Clinton".

Judge Judy, ah, has her own TV show and her highest-ranking position was "supervising judge in the Manhattan division of the family court".

Because he's "best known for" something doesn't mean that's all he is.

All he's missing is a handful of executive experience to differentiate him from past S.G.'s.

I'm not saying he's the best choice, but please, let's not dismiss for dismissal's sake.
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post #13 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:05pm
Also, didn't he perform a bunch of impromptu brain surgeries while embedded in Iraq for CNN?
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post #14 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:10pm
Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined That Watching Any Other Network Than CNN Is Dangerous To Your Health.
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post #15 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:29pm
Err. Seriously. The guy went to one of the best med schools in the country, did his residency at a pretty good hospital, and has an impressive Pubmed publications list (even after you whittle out the thousands of other papers by Gupta, S). One can wonder about the decision to pick a clinician/academic type for a public health job, but Gupta's airtime on CNN shouldn't disqualify him for the job -- actually since the SG is more of a figurehead that recites position papers from national medical organizations, it makes sense to have a nationally recognized person do it than some unknown rear/vice admiral. And yes, he did perform brain surgeries on Iraqi civilians as well as US soldiers while being embedded with a Navy unit.

If the leftist types are upset because of the public spat with Michael Moore over the misguided, mediocre and vastly overrated 'Sicko', well, then screw them. Because chances are that Gupta knows more about comparative health care systems that anybody complaining about this choice.
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post #16 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by pervis42 View Post
than some unknown rear/vice admiral.
Just as a side note, they become a vice admiral upon being confirmed as SG.
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post #17 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:37pm
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Because chances are that Gupta knows more about comparative health care systems that anybody complaining about this choice.
Bullshit. I'm not a Moore fan, but Americans knows jackshit about healthcare systems, since you don't have one unless you're rich. What you guys have is a lotto system that allows you to sometimes win the treatment you paid for. I've said it before and again: the burden of a universal healthcare is better than the farce the US has. We know, and most of the Western nations knows that too.
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post #18 of 40
1/7/09 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
Better Judge Judy than that Ana María Polo cunt from Caso Cerrado.

...what? No Telemundo fans here?

*lowers head, kicks can limply*
It's OK, I use to watch her show once in a while back in the day. Does she still have it? All I remember is how annoying she was most of the time.
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post #19 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Bullshit. I'm not a Moore fan, but Americans knows jackshit about healthcare systems...
By your logic, shouldn't Moore know just as little as Gupta about healthcare systems? They're both Americans, after all.
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post #20 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
Still an apt comparison.
No, no it's not. BTSMGL is correct.
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post #21 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:09pm
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It's OK, I use to watch her show once in a while back in the day. Does she still have it? All I remember is how annoying she was most of the time.
Yeah, unfortunately. I really, really despise her. Not only are half her shows fake and staged (I studied with a girl who showed up there, using a made-up alias, and was paid $1,000 for a whole day of filming) but the way she picks sides really quickly and obviously and insults people really grates me. Even if I *were* guilty I'd walk out on a judge calling me a "zángano" or worse at the top of her lungs in the middle of court.

Anyways, so, yeah, Gupta, eh?
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post #22 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:23pm
You're telling me telenovelas are fake and stupid? The devil you say.
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post #23 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:26pm
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By your logic, shouldn't Moore know just as little as Gupta about healthcare systems? They're both Americans, after all.
Wrong on my part, I completely admit. But since you guys never had another system, most don't know about it unless they watched Moore's movie or heard about it from someone. Even Gupta knows about other systems, but the current HMO system is the one with the maximum profit margin, and the ones making money aren't gonna let it go so easily.
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post #24 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:49pm
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You're telling me telenovelas are fake and stupid? The devil you say.
Yeah, everything in Spanish programming is a telenovela, even the news.

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Even Gupta knows about other systems, but the current HMO system is the one with the maximum profit margin, and the ones making money aren't gonna let it go so easily.
I don't know if Guptpa lobbies for HMOs, but there's a fair share of doctors that I know that are pro/con different types of healthcare systems, so I wouldn't paint them with such a broad brush.
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post #25 of 40
1/7/09 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Yeah, everything in Spanish programming is a telenovela, even the news.
Where did you get that connection? I made a remark on telenovelas. Who said anything about spanish language news?

And this is Surgeon General we're talking. Not that exactly a position of huge power or stature. Stop acting as if the guy could potentially be a huge threat to HMO or a shill for them. The idea is that he'll have influence on health policy. But don't think of this guy as being on the same level as HHS.
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post #26 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
And this is Surgeon General we're talking. Not that exactly a position of huge power or stature. Stop acting as if the guy could potentially be a huge threat to HMO or a shill for them. The idea is that he'll have influence on health policy. But don't think of this guy as being on the same level as HHS.
Someone needs to do a little research. This is a position of power and stature.
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post #27 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:04pm
Double post..
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post #28 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:05pm
I'm not saying that Gupta is lobbying for HMO's, but there's some basic truths about any jobs that cannot be ignored. Doctors are paid much more in the United States than any country with Universal Healthcare. And it's much more taxing to work in an environment where every penny counts. So in Canada you work more for less money. 2 of my friends are anesthesiologists, so I kinda know how the system works. But they stay here out of many personal reasons, and they're still paid enough.

The thing is, from what I've seen of Gupta, he seems fine with the current system. A system run by and for the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies. To the detriment of the population. But like Hocken said, I don't really know the
extent of his powers, so maybe it's all for nothing, but it's sad for you guys that nothing will change for the better in that field.
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post #29 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Where did you get that connection? I made a remark on telenovelas. Who said anything about spanish language news?
We were talking about a Judge Judy copycat on Telemundo. I interpreted your post as assuming we were talking about a novela actress/show. If not, then your post makes even less sense.

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And this is Surgeon General we're talking. Not that exactly a position of huge power or stature. Stop acting as if the guy could potentially be a huge threat to HMO or a shill for them. The idea is that he'll have influence on health policy. But don't think of this guy as being on the same level as HHS.
I agree. I thought this was more of a PR position, for which Gupta would be well suited I guess.

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/

The Office of the Surgeon General, under the direction of the Surgeon General, oversees the operations of the 6,000-member Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service and provides support for the Surgeon General in the accomplishment of his other duties. The Office is part of the Office of Public Health and Science in the Office of the Secretary, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The Surgeon General serves as America's chief health educator by providing Americans the best scientific information available on how to improve their health and reduce the risk of illness and injury. The acting Surgeon General is Rear Admiral Steven K. Galson, M.D., M.P.H.
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post #30 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:07pm
I just want to know his position on masturbation. Such weighty issues have brought down surgeons general before.
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post #31 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:08pm
He's a "only in the shower after 8PM" type of guy.
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post #32 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:10pm
Actually, I don't think anybody really cares what the SG thinks about HMOs and socialized healthcare. I don't remember any SG's opinion on that even making the news.

Truth is, the healthcare debate is something the president is going to have to drive, and I don't think President Obama will take much direction from the SG in that matter.
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post #33 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:10pm
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I just want to know his position on masturbation. Such weighty issues have brought down surgeons general before.
Aka his "Yank/Wank" Stance.
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post #34 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Actually, I don't think anybody really cares what the SG thinks about HMOs and socialized healthcare. I don't remember any SG's opinion on that even making the news.

Truth is, the healthcare debate is something the president is going to have to drive, and I don't think President Obama will take much direction from the SG in that matter.
There was that time the SG said she was in favor of legalization and President Bartlett was hella pissed.
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post #35 of 40
1/7/09 at 3:22pm
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There was that time the SG said she was in favor of legalization and President Bartlett was hella pissed.

Fun fact, the SG joked about above (in regards to masturbation) also was in favor of legalization.
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post #36 of 40
1/7/09 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by pervis42 View Post
Err. Seriously. The guy went to one of the best med schools in the country, did his residency at a pretty good hospital, and has an impressive Pubmed publications list (even after you whittle out the thousands of other papers by Gupta, S). One can wonder about the decision to pick a clinician/academic type for a public health job, but Gupta's airtime on CNN shouldn't disqualify him for the job -- actually since the SG is more of a figurehead that recites position papers from national medical organizations, it makes sense to have a nationally recognized person do it than some unknown rear/vice admiral. And yes, he did perform brain surgeries on Iraqi civilians as well as US soldiers while being embedded with a Navy unit.
He's fucking hot. Let's not forget this important tidbit.
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post #37 of 40
1/8/09 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
I just want to know his position on masturbation. Such weighty issues have brought down surgeons general before.
She (the S.G. Cobretti is subtly referencing) was the godmother of one of my friends in middle school.
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post #38 of 40
1/8/09 at 8:34pm
Gupta's getting raked over the coals by a few Sciencebloggers for his coverage of the Raelian clone saga and giving too much leeway to anti-vaccinationists. A medical doctor should've known better in either case.
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post #39 of 40
1/8/09 at 9:32pm
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Gupta's getting raked over the coals by a few Sciencebloggers for his coverage of the Raelian clone saga and giving too much leeway to anti-vaccinationists. A medical doctor should've known better in either case.
That's hardly being "raked over the coals". It's almost constructive criticism, at worst.
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post #40 of 40
1/8/09 at 9:38pm
He works in tv news. Of course they're going to do stories on nutcases who don't believe in vaccines.
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