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post #101 of 1855
To paraphrase Darren McGavin in A Christmas Story, "TONIGHTTONIGHTTONIGHT, HOT DAMN, TONIGHT!"

I've been out of work sick the last 3 days, which has allowed me to catch up. I'm watching Sci-Fi's marathon leading into the premiere. Can't wait.
post #102 of 1855
Shit, a friend of mine is playing a show at 10 tonight and the premiere ends at 10:05. Anyone know if they'll replay it later in the week?
post #103 of 1855
I am on seat's edge.

The webisodes give me the impression that the Cylon/Human peace isn't going to last long. I can't wait.
post #104 of 1855
God DAMN have I missed this show.
post #105 of 1855
SPOIL ME. MUST HAVE. It won't ruin the episode for me, as I really don't like being surprised, anyway. Beside, they probably won't make sense out of context.
post #106 of 1855
Anyone else expecting to hear the ewok celebration theme after Kara's funeral pyre?
post #107 of 1855
Holy shit!
post #108 of 1855
You can say that again. Wow.
post #109 of 1855
Yes! Holy shit! Out of fucking nowhere!
post #110 of 1855
I'm gonna be fascinated to see the explanation if Starbuck isn't the final model at this point.

And again: holy shit.
post #111 of 1855
Times like these make me wish I had cable.
post #112 of 1855
HOLY FRAK! Talk about unexpected. My jaw literally dropped. They just killed (?) one of the hottest women on the show, too.
post #113 of 1855
Sooo...is there going to be any place I can watch this online tomorrow?
post #114 of 1855
Two weeks in a row Adama breaks my heart.

"I let you down."

EDIT: Uh oh. This might end poorly.

EDIT 2: Oh God. They need to flush all the booze out the airlocks.
post #115 of 1855
Regardless of how this ends, the writing and acting is back in top form.
post #116 of 1855
Wow. Everything's going to shit.
post #117 of 1855
This hour has been bleak, even for Battlestar.
post #118 of 1855
I know one Chewer who is fucking pissed.

Slater?
post #119 of 1855
Was that...? WHAT? THE FUCK?
post #120 of 1855
The Dee subplot was so fine.
post #121 of 1855
That scene between Adama and Tigh was just awesome.
post #122 of 1855
My brain hurts with the end of this episode. In a good way but still, it hurts.
post #123 of 1855
Uhm...huh...what?
I just read an episode recap, and...uh, that makes no sense. Will it make any more sense when I watch the episode?
post #124 of 1855
Holy god damn! It's back?!?

You lucky fucking Americans. I have to wait... Oh I don't know, probably fucking 6 months or something. DAMN YOU ALL.

No need to worry about spoilers or anything, but it was good, yes?
post #125 of 1855
Judging by the preview for next week, the final Cylon has been confirmed.
post #126 of 1855
It was great until the end. But I think that the "final" cylon reveal isn't really the final cylon.

Meaning that I believe the person they revealed is a cylon, but that there are also more.

At least I hope so.
post #127 of 1855
Holy crap, what an episode. I don't think they can maintain this run for the final nine, because holy shit...I'd be too damn depressed.

Good to have it back though!
post #128 of 1855
I'm a bit done with the Unexpected Vision (With No Promise of Show Rules) sort of writing this show's been skating on. That's some easy, lazy tools for getting to plot points. The acting continues the 4th (and some of the 3rd, when this trend started getting conspicuous) season trend of being far, far better than the writing deserves for me, sadly.

Of the surface plot point stuff, at least the final cylon isn't yet another of the Top Ten Most Powerful Humans left (Some Of Whom We Ran Out Of Ways To Make Interesting) -- a hitch in my side since the S3 finale. I like that it's someone dead, that the writers can't just wave a magic dingus at and have hand out mystic answers; I assume Ms. Tighe's "reborn" in one of the half-breeds. That, I like.

And the continuing mystery of Starbuck; at this point, the open intrusion of the supernatural -- or open description of science so advanced it looks supernatural -- would go a liong way to easing my bitching in that 1st paragraph.

Sorry, I don't mean to shit on this, it's still better-than-average television in my book. I guess it's slipped out of Appointment TV for me, though. I'm just not invested in it anymore, like I was thru S3, and I was really hoping this ep would jolt it all back to life for me. I expect (DVR-less) many weeks I'll be catching up on repeats. I'm curious about how it all ends up, but if need be sussing it out from this thread won't kill me.
post #129 of 1855
No pleasing everyone, I guess.

Thought this ep was great, well worth the wait.

That scene early on where Roslin comes out of the Raptor and has to look at all the faces of the crew....damn.
post #130 of 1855
So Ron Moore said that the final Cylon wouldn't be anyone of the main cast and people are surprised when that turns out to be true?

Great episode, depressing as shit.
post #131 of 1855
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The only saving grace of tonight's episode was that they killed Dualla. I was seriously afraid that we were going to have to spend a big chunk of the final episodes watching her and Lee as a couple again, in which case I would have shot myself. Luckily, Dee saved me the trouble.

Final cylon reveal? Terrible.

At this point, I'm only really invested in Laura and the Old Man. This show has made me hate every other character.
post #132 of 1855
I thought they were pretty well telegraphing Dee's suicide.

The Adama/Tigh scene would have been great if the show hadn't already had so many overwrought/bring the moment to a crisis situations that it backed down from at the last minute. Much like the storylines that involve Adama and a crew member having a confrontation, causing him to demote them, only to later reinstate them, and cap it off with an emotional salute- it's tired.
post #133 of 1855
The screener copy SCI FI sent me ended when Tigh is talking with D'Anna and says "And just ride the tide out to sea." So I didn't see that the final Cylon was Ellen Fucking Tigh.

I don't think I can make it through nine more episodes. They have so screwed the pooch on this and on Caprica. I don't care that Moore told us it wasn't a member of the main cast. I'd rather be lied to and have the right choice than bring back a character no one gives a shit about simply because it's "surprising" (I think the correct word is "disappointing").

Basically, in order to make Ellen work as one of the final five, they have to retcon the shit out of her and even then, I won't care because she only made Tigh interesting. She was never an interesting character on her own. I know you could say the same about Tori, but she was so undefined that they could take her in any direction. Ellen Tigh is a drunken slut, the end.

So, so disappointed.
post #134 of 1855
The Adama/Tigh scene would have been great if the show hadn't already had so many overwrought/bring the moment to a crisis situations that it backed down from at the last minute. Much like the storylines that involve Adama and a crew member having a confrontation, causing him to demote them, only to later reinstate them, and cap it off with an emotional salute- it's tired.


Yeah that shit's pretty tired at this point.
post #135 of 1855
Basically, in order to make Ellen work as one of the final five, they have to retcon the shit out of her

You should re-watch the episode in which Ellen is introduced.
post #136 of 1855
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
Meaning that I believe the person they revealed is a cylon, but that there are also more.

At least I hope so.
On the one hand, I would love to believe that (simply because if Ellen is the final model, it's such a letdown), but the only argument I have in that column is that if there are 13 tribes, there are 13 models. But that's a very hard sell because it would be out of fucking nowhere and no human or cylon would have ever known about the 13th.
post #137 of 1855
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Basically, in order to make Ellen work as one of the final five, they have to retcon the shit out of her

You should re-watch the episode in which Ellen is introduced.
Ugh. Do I have to?
post #138 of 1855
I'm just saying, Ellen being the fifth isn't coming out of nowhere. The episode in question ("Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down") actually ENDS on the question of whether or not she's a cylon. They've been setting it up for a while, or at least allowing for the possibility (see also comments from Moore & co. how they've had in mind who the fifth was going to be since the end of Season 1.)

The reveal of the fifth was going to be anticlimactic no matter who it was.
post #139 of 1855
And I've said this before but I just can't get worked up about it because the Fifth Cylon's identity has never even been the most interesting unanswered question in the show's mythology.
post #140 of 1855
Christ I really want some KFC now:-/
post #141 of 1855
In all fairness, they've set up almost EVERYONE to be a Cylon. But just because something's not surprising, doesn't mean it won't be satisfying. Ellen Tigh as the final cylon is highly unsatisfying. If it had been Roslin, it wouldn't have shocked me to my core, but it has dramatic heft. Ellen Tigh is a big "so what?"
post #142 of 1855
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And I've said this before but I just can't get worked up about it because the Fifth Cylon's identity has never even been the most interesting unanswered question in the show's mythology.
Maybe not but they did choose to lead with it as the mystery in every opening for the last ten episodes. They knew this was important and it feels like this was done so that you couldn't guess the final cylon, not because it was dramatically useful to the show (unless you really care about Ellen Tigh, and no one does).
post #143 of 1855
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Maybe not but they did choose to lead with it as the mystery in every opening for the last ten episodes. They knew this was important and it feels like this was done so that you couldn't guess the final cylon, not because it was dramatically useful to the show (unless you really care about Ellen Tigh, and no one does).
Uh I'd argue that it is very dramatically useful for the show. I mean you learn that at least four of these characters have lived and died before and every single character is dealing with hitting the end of the rainbow and finding a big ol' pot of snipes (yeah I mix my metaphors!). Time and again Ellen's death has been brought up. Tigh's been hurting over it since her offed her. Now there's this suggestion that she's not dead and that a blasted out Earth isn't the end. Which is EXACTLY what was needed. After forty five minutes of despair and horrifying revelation we get a big dose of hope (let's face is, Adama's "inspiring speech" was far from it).

And I'm pretty sure there aren't just twelve models. See alive and dead and alive Starbuck.

Right now I'm hoping the idea of history being cyclical ISN'T harped on. I don't need another Matrix 3.
post #144 of 1855
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Christ I really want some KFC now:-/
Dualla's suicide would have had a lot more impact if it immediately wasn't followed by THE KFC FRAK PACK!!!!!!!

I miss watching this show on disc.
post #145 of 1855
It being Ellen isn't necessarily the big reveal, though. That the original Ellen may be responsible for Cylon resurrection technology IS. The bigger question is: why did it take 2000 years for them to resurrect, and why did they come back at the 12 Colonies (though that might be a major plot point for Caprica).
post #146 of 1855
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Uh I'd argue that it is very dramatically useful for the show. I mean you learn that at least four of these characters have lived and died before and every single character is dealing with hitting the end of the rainbow and finding a big ol' pot of snipes (yeah I mix my metaphors!).
I never said that was bad. I only think the reveal of Ellen as the final cylon is dumb.

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Time and again Ellen's death has been brought up. Tigh's been hurting over it since her offed her. Now there's this suggestion that she's not dead and that a blasted out Earth isn't the end. Which is EXACTLY what was needed. After forty five minutes of despair and horrifying revelation we get a big dose of hope (let's face is, Adama's "inspiring speech" was far from it).
It's been brought up by one guy: her husband. No one else gives a shit. Viewers didn't care if she came back or not. How is it hopeful that drunk, slutty Ellen Tigh may have been a cylon? That doesn't make me hope for anyone who isn't a member of the final five. Everyone else can still die. It's just that these five found a way to resurrect. That's interesting, but it's not hopeful.

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And I'm pretty sure there aren't just twelve models. See alive and dead and alive Starbuck.
I'm willing to accept the possibility of a 13th model, but that's my limit. Beyond that, and the idea of setting a limited amount of models in the first place just becomes pointless.
post #147 of 1855
I think it's missing the point completely to get angry about the Frakking Final Cylon, when there are more important questions, and it was mostly meaningless marketing BS, anyway. It was always going to be disappointing. Unless you didn't focus on it. Because it's not all that fucking important.
I'm really glad they didn't make Adama, Lee, or Roslin a Cylon. On some level, it would work, but it would remove the emotional impetus. I mean, the big reasons to watch it now are 1. to see how it turns out, and 2. Roslin and Adama.
post #148 of 1855
Yes, it's our fault for thinking the final cylon was a big deal. Clearly, this was an afterthought to everyone involved.

I love how because the final cylon is disappointment, it's suddenly not a big deal. It's like a kid who gets a crappy present on Christmas and then, holding back tears, cries, "I didn't want that stupid toy anyway!"
post #149 of 1855
No, I didn't think the final Cylon was a big deal to begin with. I fully expected it to be Gaeta, and though, hey, good character development ahoy! But this makes some level of sense, too. It's not sour grapes, it's that I wasn't paying attention to all the marketing.
Also, while clearly not an afterthought, in this interview, Moore explains that he got the idea midway through Season 3, while a lot of the other mythological things have been planned out from very early on.
Seriously, do you really feel like you NEED one of the main characters to have been a Cylon? I, for one, am relieved.
post #150 of 1855
Holy fuck this was a goddamn great episode.
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