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post #51 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:01pm
I second that - never got the Dances with Wolves hate. What a wonderful film it is. That's not to say I don't love Goodfellas too, mind.
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post #52 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:03pm
Say with it me now:

Crash winning best picture.
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post #53 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:08pm
I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet due to the fact that it was considered a controversial win: Marisa Tomei's Best Supporting Actress Oscar for My Cousin Vinny.

I'm curious as to what everyone's take on this is. I like the movie, and enjoyed her performance, but I don't think she should have taken the Oscar.

ETA: Oops, forgot the "Supporting" Part
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post #54 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:09pm
Any supporting win should be exempt from this thread, especially supporting actresses. That's the standard "curve ball" category.
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post #55 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:10pm
I've forgotten about that, actually. Though I think it may have more to do with the fact that I want to give Marisa Tomei's stunning rack a lifetime achievement award.
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post #56 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:11pm
I still wonder if Penn should have won over Bill Murray. Although I've never seen Mystic River.
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post #57 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Any supporting win should be exempt from this thread, especially supporting actresses. That's the standard "curve ball" category.
Even so, considering the films she was up against, that's more like a boomerang curve.
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post #58 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:44pm

Peter O'Toole/Richard Burton.

Peter O'Toole - should have won for at least one of his 8 nominations.
You could also add Richard Burton should have won for at least one of his 7 nominations.
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post #59 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:47pm
The worst Oscar mistake was pairing Rob Lowe and Snow White.
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post #60 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Don S. View Post
Even so, considering the films she was up against, that's more like a boomerang curve.
Eh, a ten year old won the next year. They gave it to Whoopi Goldberg two years before instead of Lorraine Bracco.
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post #61 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:54pm
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Eh, a ten year old won the next year. They gave it to Whoopi Goldberg two years before instead of Lorraine Bracco.
Yeah, okay. I see your point.
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post #62 of 253
1/13/09 at 12:55pm
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I still wonder if Penn should have won over Bill Murray. Although I've never seen Mystic River.
Having seen it, he shouldn't have. And neither should have won against Giamatti in AMERICAN SPLENDOR.
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post #63 of 253
1/13/09 at 1:15pm
As for arguing alternate universe realities, I'm fairly certain on Earth X, where The Shawshank Redemption wins BP over Forrest Gump, that Forrest Gump is then viewed as a great populist film and has a stronger modern reputation, where The Shawshank Redemption has become the sickly sweet bullshit film with just enough art in it to win over the the academy. On Earth Y, where Pulp Fiction wins best picture, From Dusk 'til Dawn is released in an NC-17rated version, and the four hour cut of Jackie Brown is even more of a masterpiece.
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post #64 of 253
1/13/09 at 1:50pm
Is Earth Y the place where LA Confidential wins best picture and Titanic is viewed as the largest failure of all time?
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post #65 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:01pm
Earth-D is where Guess Who's Coming to Dinner won for its all singing/dancing duck cast.
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post #66 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:19pm
And Earth WTF is where Howard the Duck was a masterpiece, swept the Oscars, and reinvented comiic book movies for all times.
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post #67 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:22pm
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And Earth WTF is where Howard the Duck was a masterpiece, swept the Oscars, and reinvented comiic book movies for all times.
that's a place I'm sort of glad I don't live in
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post #68 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:49pm
In no way should Little Miss Sunshine have won best original screen play over Del Toro's masterpiece. I like LMS, but they aren't even in the same realm.
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post #69 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:55pm
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that's a place I'm sort of glad I don't live in
It's where they're under the thumb of a Palin administration. Pity those poor bastards.
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post #70 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:55pm
I can't help thinking that the fact L.A Confidential is constantly brought up in these discussions is not because it's a truly great film that grows in stature with each passing year, but because it just happened to be the strongest competition to Titanic in a lineup of films that tended to be very good rather then truly great.

Considering the competition, Shakespeare In Love was a ridiculously slight choice to sweep the oscars that year and seems all but forgotten these days.

I enjoy Gladiator a lot but I don't really consider it best picture material.
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post #71 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by Fritz Chrome View Post
I can't help thinking that the fact L.A Confidential is constantly brought up in these discussions is not because it's a truly great film that grows in stature with each passing year, but because it just happened to be the strongest competition to Titanic in a lineup of films that tended to be very good rather then truly great.
LA Confidential would be strong competition in ANY year.
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post #72 of 253
1/13/09 at 2:59pm
Well that was 1997. I can't remember what the other films were but I think the only other main contender was As Good as It Gets.

Oh and The Insider over American Beauty.
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post #73 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:12pm
Not that it's a bad film by any stretch, but The Sting seems like the weakest of the bunch in its year. You've got American Graffiti, The Exorcist, and Cries and Whispers (plus A Touch of Class, which I've never seen and can't vouch for).
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post #74 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Don S. View Post
I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet due to the fact that it was considered a controversial win: Marisa Tomei's Best Supporting Actress Oscar for My Cousin Vinny.

I'm curious as to what everyone's take on this is. I like the movie, and enjoyed her performance, but I don't think she should have taken the Oscar.

ETA: Oops, forgot the "Supporting" Part
I'll defend this win only because I constantly hear people complain that the Academy only awards actors for serious roles and never for comedies. Well, they awarded Tomei for a good comedic performance and what happens? Critics would spend the rest of the 90s saying she shouldn't have won. At least the Golden Globes honors both comedy and drama.
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post #75 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:14pm
The supporting categories seem to be the best place for a comedic performance to get its due.
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post #76 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:21pm
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It's where they're under the thumb of a Palin administration. Pity those poor bastards.
With Vice President Gary Busey. And Secretary of War (position reinstated by Palin) Chuck Norris.
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post #77 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:34pm
Please forget I introduced the parallel universe concept to this thread, or take it to another thread so it can be unfunny somewhere else.
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post #78 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:47pm
Don't worry, we had already forgotten about it before you brought it up again.
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post #79 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:50pm
My Oscar Misfire choices has always been "Shawshank Redemption" getting fucked over, Ridley Scott never wining "Best Director" (If "Kingdom of Heaven" had been released unfucked by Fox, maybe he would have one), Willem Dafoe not winning Supporting Actor (Sure, Benicio del Toro deserved it, but fuck the Academy's obvious bias against Horror/Fantasy/Sci-fi films).
Sean Penn winning over Bill Murray also maddens me, just as Russel Crowe over Ed Harris.
Also Sigourney Weaver not winning any of her nominations is a kick in the balls for me.
Scorsese getting Director for "The Departed" was and will always be a "sorry we didnt give this one earlier" award.
Finally, Blade Runner not winnning anything or being nominated in main award categories is a collosal fuck up.
Im going to go full fanboy and say that Ridley Scott needs to get the Lifetime Achievement award, if only as a consolation price.
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post #80 of 253
1/13/09 at 3:57pm
Biggest mistake: Introducing the Best Animated Feature category, thus ensuring that no animated feature would ever again get a shot at Best Picture.


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I thought the awards given to both films were originally of equal importance. According to Wikipedia, it seems that more attention was paid to Sunrise. Anyone know the story in more detail?
Wings won Best Picture, which was sort of the People's Choice award. Sunrise won Best Artistic Quality of Production, which is no longer a category.

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Originally Posted by Don S. View Post
I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet due to the fact that it was considered a controversial win: Marisa Tomei's Best Supporting Actress Oscar for My Cousin Vinny.
Screw that, she was great. Although if anyone deserved a nod for that film it was the late Fred Gwynne.
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post #81 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Not that it's a bad film by any stretch, but The Sting seems like the weakest of the bunch in its year. You've got American Graffiti, The Exorcist, and Cries and Whispers (plus A Touch of Class, which I've never seen and can't vouch for).
Personally, I consider THE STING to be the best movie ever to win best Picture. If a modern-day equivalent to that were to win today, the Internet would flip out! In a good way!
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post #82 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:13pm
I always found it ridiculous that 'The Godfather, Part III' got nominated. It was a terrible movie, and I have to think that the only reason why it got nominated was to try for a third 'Best Picture' win for the franchise. It's the worst nomination for BP in recent memory, in my opinion.

also: if there were any justice in the world, both Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon would have shared a Best Actress oscar for 'Thelma and Louise'.
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post #83 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:29pm
I remember it being commonly accepted at the time that Penn won for both 21 Grams and Mystic River, but only got the nomination for MR. So people were voting for both performances, which, of course, hurt Murray.

And I agree with whomever said Saving Private Ryan shouldn't get trotted out every time this topic comes up...sure it's better than SiL, but The Thin Red Line is better than both those films. I'm always surprised that The Truman Show didn't get a Best Picture nomination that year (though Weir did for Best Director). That, coupled with the lack of an Eternal Sunshine nomination really lends credence to the idea that the Academy truly does hate Jim Carrey (or at least he's deep in a hole and has yet to dig himself out).
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post #84 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:41pm
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King...
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post #85 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Biggest mistake: Introducing the Best Animated Feature category, thus ensuring that no animated feature would ever again get a shot at Best Picture.
QFT
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post #86 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:51pm
Well here's the thing about that. Outside of Beauty and the Beast was an animated fiim ever going to get a Best Picture win? I mean it's possible but how likely would have that happened?
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post #87 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:53pm
Devin's joke, 2.0:

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post #88 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:53pm
I would have easily swapped out Seabiscuit for Finding Nemo in 2003. And maybe Finding Neverland for The Incredibles in 2004.
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post #89 of 253
1/13/09 at 4:58pm
I can understand that but would have they still had a fighting chance?
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post #90 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:02pm
Well, you can't win if you don't get nominated, but yeah, nothing was beating ROTK the year Nemo came out.
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post #91 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Well here's the thing about that. Outside of Beauty and the Beast was an animated fiim ever going to get a Best Picture win? I mean it's possible but how likely would have that happened?
I would say anything in the Pixar canon (except Cars and Bugs Life) could have easily swooped in and made a strong showing. Even though it would be a hard trudge for an animated movie to win the prize, it shouldn't mean that there should be a ghetto for the animated medium by the Academy.

I don't know if this would be considered good or bad but "Silence of the Lambs" sweeping all five major categories the year it was released was rather bizzare. That would be like The Dark Knight accomplishing a similar feat this year.
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post #92 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
I would say anything in the Pixar canon (except Cars and Bugs Life) could have easily swooped in and made a strong showing. Even though it would be a hard trudge for an animated movie to win the prize, it shouldn't mean that there should be a ghetto for the animated medium by the Academy.
Shorts have been split up that way for years.

Having their own category will keep 'toons out of Best Picture, but now three animated films are brought to viewers' attention every year. Worth the trade-off?
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post #93 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:20pm
Because Happy Feet, Monster House and Cars really needed the exposure.

Out of the 23 films that have been nominated for Best Animated Feature, I'd say only Spirited Away, Triplets of Belleville, Howl's Moving Castle and Persepolis weren't already well-known to the public. Most of the other nominees might as well be a list of the top grossing animated films each year. So it's not like little-known animated films are getting their shot because the category exists. Sure, an animated film is getting an award every year, but when you've got stuff like Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmarion, Brother Bear and Shark Tale getting nominated just to get to the three film minimum, it makes the category look like an afterthought.
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post #94 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Because Happy Feet, Monster House and Cars really needed the exposure.

Out of the 23 films that have been nominated for Best Animated Feature, I'd say only Spirited Away, Triplets of Belleville, Howl's Moving Castle and Persepolis weren't already well-known to the public. Most of the other nominees might as well be a list of the top grossing animated films each year. So it's not like little-known animated films are getting their shot.
That's the voters' fault, not the existence of the category. People like mediocre shit.
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post #95 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
If Scorsese had won for Raging Bull or Taxi Driver, GoodFellas losing to Dances with Wolves would have been easier to swallow. It's the idea that here's MARTIN SCORSESE losing to a guy who's directing his first film that I think creates a lot of the ire.


Rocky, All the President's Men, Bound for Glory, Network, Taxi Driver, 76 was a strong year and every movie on the list should have won it. and the big losser in 1980 was David Lynch SCORSESE was only the second place loser.
Dances with Wolves was a damn good movie it not like he lost to an out of Out of Africa or Chicago.



and too EvilTwin
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1985

Sydney Pollack won Best Director for Out of Africa. Over Akira Kurosawa for Ran.
the biggest lost that year was - The Color Purple.

Out of Africa winning is the worse Oscar travesty ever. it also beat Witness and Prizzi's Honor.
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1968

Oliver! wins Best Picture. 2001: A Space Odyssey not even nominated.
the biggest lost that year was - The Lion in Winter


and as much as I wish that Becket wold have won 1964 was the best Oscar year ever with My Fair Lady, Becket, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Mary Poppins, Zorba the Greek,
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post #96 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:50pm
Was that some kind of fucked up poem?
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post #97 of 253
1/13/09 at 5:52pm
Forget it Phil. It's complete nonsense.
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post #98 of 253
1/13/09 at 6:01pm
Shawshank is always brought up in these conversations and I have a hard time faulting the Academy for it getting stiffed. It was pretty much universally ignored in the theater. I remember going opening weekend and the theater wasn't even half full. It only pulled in $2.5 million the weekend it opened wide which isn't enough to hit the top 10 most weeks.

I'd have a really hard time picking out a movie that is more universally loved on video years after the fact that had been so ignored in the theater. When everybody else was ignoring it, it seems a little unfair to blame the Academy for also ignoring it.
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post #99 of 253
1/13/09 at 6:03pm
Fuck Shawshank.

Cool Hand Luke was a bigger snub.
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post #100 of 253
1/13/09 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
Shawshank is always brought up in these conversations and I have a hard time faulting the Academy for it getting stiffed. It was pretty much universally ignored in the theater. I remember going opening weekend and the theater wasn't even half full. It only pulled in $2.5 million the weekend it opened wide which isn't enough to hit the top 10 most weeks.

I'd have a really hard time picking out a movie that is more universally loved on video years after the fact that had been so ignored in the theater. When everybody else was ignoring it, it seems a little unfair to blame the Academy for also ignoring it.
What? Both Shawshank and Pulp Fiction were nominated. Meaning, the voters watched all 3 films and thought Forrest Gump was the best.
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