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post #101 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Desmond wasn't physically time traveling.
My apologies. That is what I meant in my proposition ('no physical time-travel'). So we are in agreement there.

Again, I do not pretend to be an expert or anything like that. I thought 'the Constant' was really, really, really good. I am hopeful the show can make it coherent without resorting to some gibberish.
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post #102 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:29am
So much shit is going wrong in my life right now, but for one night every week I can leave all that shit at the door and enjoy the fuck out of TV once more.

Holy shit. The amount of stuff happening...firing on all cylinders doesn't begin to describe it. I knew there would be time traveling, but I didn't think there would be CONSTANT time traveling.

It's only a matter of time before the Losties witness the Black Rock crash on the Island.

Damn...I thought those fire arrow people would be Rousseau's team....

Also, that scene in the beginning does not imply that Daniel was in the Dharma Initiative way back when. It's merely showing us that eventually the Losties will go to the time period when Dharma was still around.
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post #103 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
You really think they're gonna stick with the 'future can't be changed' route?
Until they show me otherwise, yes. Daniel is the expert on the show and I'm gonna take his word for it.
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post #104 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:32am
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
I am hopeful the show can make it coherent without resorting to some gibberish.
Don't we all.
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post #105 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
Also, that scene in the beginning does not imply that Daniel was in the Dharma Initiative way back when. It's merely showing us that eventually the Losties will go to the time period when Dharma was still around.
Your theory makes more sense. After I posted I realized Daniel couldn't have been there in the 70's during his lifetime because he would have been a child at the time.
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post #106 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
The thing that is bugging me is Neil dying. Believe me, I cheered when he flamed on. But this was not the first time we saw his character. If the future can't be changed, then the show fucked up and Neil shouldn't be dead.

I'm not understanding this. We've never seen him after the island moved, so anything we've seen with him before the island moved happened in the past. I'm not seeing the problem.
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post #107 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:35am
Also, loved Hurley's summation of the plot so far. That's how I feel when I try to explain this show to someone's who's never seen it.
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post #108 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:36am
The future is the same for Neil. He'll still be born, he'll be on Oceanic 815, he'll physically travel back in time and then die.
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post #109 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
The future is the same for Neil. He'll still be born, he be on Oceanic 815, he'll physically travel back in time and then die.
Much better put.
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post #110 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
The thing that is bugging me is Neil dying. Believe me, I cheered when he flamed on. But this was not the first time we saw his character. If the future can't be changed, then the show fucked up and Neil shouldn't be dead.
I don't think so, it's their present selves are being dislodged in time and not a past version of the character. So Frogurt dying doesn't fuck anything up future wise.
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post #111 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Ms. Hawkings is the lady from Desmond's time travels that told him the rules. You can't change the future. It will always course correct.
Yeah I know. I just thought it might be the way they're going. Daniel is the physics whiz and he'd need a reason to send Desmond to his mom... And our Ms. Hawking is apparently as real as a desktop photo would lead us to believe and she's all up in the mix with the ins and outs of all this stuff.
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post #112 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:38am
Anyone else get the feeling that ALL the red shirts are gonna die this year?


Also, where's my Jin! Wash up on the island dude, just like you did in season two!
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post #113 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:40am
Futurama is still the king of time slippin'.
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post #114 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:42am
This maybe my own bullshit point of reference, but with all the going back in forth between the different times, I was reminded of Stephen King's "It". (the novel)
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post #115 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:43am
I keep posting because I keep having thoughts...

If Locke dislodged that plane when it first crashed, would Boone still be alive?



Also, love that Desmond is "special." He alone can be changed. Like Raziel! Soul Reaver? Anyone?
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post #116 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
Also, loved Hurley's summation of the plot so far. That's how I feel when I try to explain this show to someone's who's never seen it.
I said the exact same thing to my roommate as Hurley was saying this.

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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
The future is the same for Neil. He'll still be born, he'll be on Oceanic 815, he'll physically travel back in time and then die.
Hmm. I suppose that's true. But then why should we care about any of the Losties if whatever happens to them now doesn't affect their future? The urgency in Daniel's actions leads me to believe there's something more to it.

Edit: For example, if Charlotte dies because she can't find a constant, does that mean anything in the future? What if she dies while the island is in the present or future?
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post #117 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
Also, where's my Jin! Wash up on the island dude, just like you did in season two!
This is pure speculation based on the recap episode. But Cuse and Lindelof used a phrasing that made me think Jin wasn't dead when they said something like "...Jin, whom Sun believes is dead...".

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
This maybe my own bullshit point of reference, but with all the going back in forth between the different times, I was reminded of Stephen King's "It". (the novel)
Or Slaughterhouse 5.
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post #118 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Hmm. I suppose that's true. But then why should we care about any of the Losties if whatever happens to them now doesn't affect their future? The urgency in Daniel's actions leads me to believe there's something more to it.
If Juliette had her hand cut off by the Army guy, whenever the "skipping" had ceased, she'd still be sans hand. Locke's leg is still shot, even after skipping.
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post #119 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
If Juliette had her hand cut off by the Army guy, whenever the "skipping" had ceased, she'd still be sans hand. Locke's leg is still shot, even after skipping.
Right, but by your logic, what would it matter if her future self would still have hands?
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post #120 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
I keep posting because I keep having thoughts...

If Locke dislodged that plane when it first crashed, would Boone still be alive?



Also, love that Desmond is "special." He alone can be changed. Like Raziel! Soul Reaver? Anyone?
I thought it was because of the events in The Constant.
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post #121 of 5187
1/22/09 at 1:59am
Gah, I have to go bed. Can't wait to read what the west coast folk think.
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post #122 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:00am
But her future self wouldn't have hand(s). The people on the island while being in the past are their most recent "self".

We haven't seen future Juliette, Sawyer, Rose and Bernard.
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post #123 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
But her future self wouldn't have hand(s). The people on the island while being in the past are their most recent "self".

We haven't seen future Juliette, Sawyer, Rose and Bernard.
I guess the disconnect then is that you think they are physically time traveling, while I haven't concluded that quite yet. I keep trying to apply the Constant rules to this, but its clear there are some elements that are similar and some that aren't.

Edit: Daniel said he wasn't sure if it was the island traveling or them. You're point that this is their most recent selves lends me to believe that it is the island.

And I really have to go to bed. I'm going to be dreaming about time travel theories!
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post #124 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:07am
Daniel's not warning them not to die, he's warning them that they can't change anything. Meaning they can't dislodge the plane and make it so Boone would never die, can't warn Rousseau how she will die, they can't warn the Dharma Initiative etc.

Except for Desmond. Because of The Constant perhaps, he's the one person who they can approach and warn and give messages to. Apparently that's what's written in Daniel's book.

The breakneck pace of these episodes...I kind of miss the old character driven ones...though this one was delightfully Hurley-centric. Then again, I'll take this over "Fire + Water" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" any day.

Obama is ushering in a great new season of Lost.
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post #125 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:18am
If Sawyer couldn't change events by meeting Desmond before he actually meets him, why could Locke interact with Ethan?
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post #126 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:27am
Locke shooting Ethan doesn't change anything. It's not like Ethan would try to get revenge for it in "the past." They already knew Locke was special. Maybe that had something to do with it.

I can't believe that everything in this episode actually makes perfect sense.
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post #127 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:27am
Pretty awesome, but massively confusing as well. My husband, who loves the show but is not as obsessive about it as I am, sat there the whole time shaking his head and saying, "I'm so confused!" He'll keep watching, but I worry that the massive information overload in these 2 eps may turn off more casual fans (provided there are any of those left!!!)

As a big Sayid fan, I have to add: Jack Bauer would be proud of him, for that death-by-sharp-knives-in-dishwasher kill. As a reward, Hurley got to play "Weekend At Bernie's" with his body for an episode & a half.

We also thought that one of the FBI guys sent to get Hurley looked like Abbadon.

And were we supposed to recognize the woman at the butcher shop? What the heck does she have to do with anything? How does she know Ben? So...much...information...
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post #128 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:27am
I think the best way to possibly explain this whole "change history" thing is that one can't actively change time. Locke didn't discover Ethan; Ethan discovered Locke. Someone shot Frogurt with an arrow, Frogurt didn't act upon the arrow.

This is the best explanation I can come up with and yes, I think they may not have thought out this whole acting-on-time thing through enough.
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post #129 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:28am
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Random thoughts:

1) When we first met Daniel in season 4, he was crying as he watched the fake Oceanic 815 get dragged up. This season, he seems to have known that Ben moved the island. Is it possible that, in a sense, he's traveling through everything and therefore kind of knows all of what's going to happen or has happened? Otherwise, why would he cry at the sight of the plane (and why would he say, "I don't know?") and why would he be a member of the Dharma group in the 70's? I don't think it's the same as what was happening to the other characters. He was integrated into their group. It's not like he had just arrived there due to a flash.

2) If the Losties travel back in time and mess with Dharma, is it possible that they are what Dharma considers to be "the hostiles" and not the "original inhabitants (Alpert) like we originally thought?

3) Is the reason Charlotte is having "constant" like symptoms similar to Desmond and Fisher Stevens because she has been to the island before? (last season, telling Daniel "would it make any sense to you if I told you I was looking for the place I was born?") After all, nobody else has a bloody nose. Yet.

4) This also begs the question, do the Oceanic 6 need to return to the island so that the rest of the Losties have their "constants?"

5) They seem to be cleverly weaving in their issues of fate with their issues of science. The reason things happen for a reason is because they have to (you can't change the future...this isn't Back to the Future rules of time travel). So that kind of explains Charlie, (DaveB? You out there? What do you think) right?

6) If the island is trying to help "course correct" events, is that the reason Ana Lucia shows up to talk to Hurley? Is it trying to make sure he does what he needs to do? Is it trying to course correct?

7) Since people who die on the island keep popping up, is it because at some point in the time line it became unstuck in time? Could that play into this somehow?

Man, I could probably keep going, but these two hours gave us a TON to think about. But overall, what I'm most impressed with is how true these guys stay to their characters. Everybody is behaving correctly. When Hugo fessed up to his mom, they got me. I was worried that she was going to think he was nuts. But then he broke down and talked about how he left people behind, and I knew she'd believe him. Because one look at him in that moment and you KNOW he's telling the truth and you KNOW it's driving him crazy. Brilliantly written, acted and directed.

Also, the fact that he resents the lie so much. Perfect.

It's so refreshing after seeing what they've done to the characters in BSG for example as they winded down that show.

Lost is the shit.
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post #130 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by Bromius View Post
If Sawyer couldn't change events by meeting Desmond before he actually meets him, why could Locke interact with Ethan?
Other than getting shot in the leg, Locke didn't really have any interaction with Ethan. Ethan had no clue who he was, and Locke didn't really affect him in any way except to confuse him.

Edit: Never mind, this has been explained already much better than I did.
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post #131 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:28am
Alright.
That was good watchin'.
Sooo... is there a definite "format" shared between these episodes that we'll see carried out this season? I didn't nail it down if there was one. Is it just the fact that we see part in one time period, then get a "THREE YEARS LATER" card and we get another part? I'm curious to see how future eps are structured.

-Who did the old lady mention at the end? Someone and Jeffrey? Names I didn't recognize. I thought that was going to be a scene at Oxford, too, but the reveal was even cooler and more cryptic. Certainly seemed to have a feel of mysticism amongst all that technology.

-To the person who asked, yeah, I took that to be Matthew Abbadon posing as a cop at the door with Cheech.

-I am very excited about these archers in the woods. How many toes might they have?

-This show is awesome.
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post #132 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:33am
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Originally Posted by El Gray View Post

-To the person who asked, yeah, I took that to be Matthew Abbadon posing as a cop at the door with Cheech.
I've been watching a lot of The Wire lately. That was absolutely not Lance Reddick (aka Lt. Daniels).
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post #133 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:36am
Also, are we all in agreement that Richard & the Others (their "present" selves) aren't unstuck in time either (or, that they're connected to the Island and are therefore moving along with it). At the beginning, when the Island first moved, Locke was sitting w/Richard, then after the flash, they were gone. So they're still moving along with the Island, while all the 815ers/Juliet/Freighter guys are unstuck.

Sorry, hope that makes sense. I had to type it all out to have it make any kind of sense.
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post #134 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:36am
Gah! Those two hours went by so fast!

Loved Hurley, especially his summary of what happened.
When Faraday told Desmond to go to Oxford, is that an indication that he's not totally sure that the future can't be changed?

Was the compass that Richard gave to Locke one of the items Locke could choose from as a kid? I kinda remember that.

And after going through four seasons of The Wire fairly quickly, I'm fairly certain that wasn't Abbadon.

Man, so much to think about. I was talking to some friends who thought Lost sucks and man, I really feel bad for them, knowing they're missing out on some great stuff.
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post #135 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:37am
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
I've been watching a lot of The Wire lately. That was absolutely not Lance Reddick (aka Lt. Daniels).
Yeah, y'all's racists.
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post #136 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:44am
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Originally Posted by Ady Meet Roy View Post
Also, are we all in agreement that Richard & the Others (their "present" selves) aren't unstuck in time either (or, that they're connected to the Island and are therefore moving along with it).

Sorry, hope that makes sense. I had to type it all out to have it make any kind of sense.

Good point. They don't seem to be moving with it, really (remember Alpert in the future tells Locke that he's going to need to show Alpert from the past the compass --- and yes, that's the compass from the Dali Lama scene in season 4 --- in order to trust him). If they were traveling too, they would know that Locke is ok, right?

But they're clearly NOT going with the other characters. Could this possibly explain why they're not aging somehow? I hope so.
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post #137 of 5187
1/22/09 at 2:46am
It's back and its great. Wonderful to see that the group is coming together quickly. They said it was propulsive and they weren't wrong. Glad to see the old lady again. (Dammit I wanna watch this again!)

What exactly is Sun playing at? She's gone cold.

Morbid thought: Hugo told his mom. As huge as that was for Hugo, that seems like a mistake.
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post #138 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:03am
Anyone else think the baby in Dr. "Marvin Candle's" crib grows up to be Miles?
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post #139 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:07am
Not sure if this has been asked already, but has Lost always cued the dramatic music before every commercial break? It's becoming sort of funny to me- especially when what the character is about to say is predictable, or when the stuff isn't that inherently dramatic (although I think that only happened once in two hours tonight.)
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post #140 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:17am
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Anyone else think the baby in Dr. "Marvin Candle's" crib grows up to be Miles?
No.

What's with people and race on this show? "That's a black guy in the background! It must be Abbadon! That's an Asian baby. It must be Miles!"
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post #141 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
Watched it last week. Very affecting episode. Another better-informed friend of mine told me that 'the Constant' absolutely demolishes the proposition that there is no physical time travel. I don't buy that. It's a cheesy out, and while I do not have any fundamental faith in J.J. Abrams ability to deliver on what he's promised, I am willing to give him the benefit of some doubt.

No physical time travel. I'm sticking to that, and if I'm wrong, then shit, that's kind of silly, don't you think?
J.J.? Do you even watch the show?
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post #142 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:31am
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
No.

What's with people and race on this show? "That's a black guy in the background! It must be Abbadon! That's an Asian baby. It must be Miles!"
With all the times Lost has revealed different connections between characters which would seem (barring some sort of supernatural explanation) to be impossible coincidences, I think it's fair to speculate on things like that without saying it has to do with race.
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post #143 of 5187
1/22/09 at 3:41am
It's honestly the first thing I thought. I don't like being one of those people, but I couldn't help but think there was a reason they showed Halliwax with a baby.
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post #144 of 5187
1/22/09 at 5:02am
My crazy theory: "There is no physical time travel" + "either the Island is unstuck in time, or we are" = The CONSCIOUSNESS of the Island is traveling in time. The landmarks shift because it's consciousness is being swapped out with periods where it remembers things being a certain way, so the Island's consciousness physically effects everything on the Island (which may also explain the Magic Box. People who's consciousness is linked to the Island's on some higher level can cause the Island to manifest things). The Others move with it because, in some way, they have given themselves completely to the Island and are truly part of it, and the Dharma initiative can be up and about when the Island remembers them that way because they all died on the Island. The Oceanic Six, and Locke's body, and Ben, and possibly more people have to go back to the Island, because they're all part of the Island's Constant. The 70 hour deadline is the point where the Island's brain has an aneurysm (for lack of a better term) and dies, at which point something MUCH MUCH WORSE will happen. I figure approximately three years without a constant as opposed to several hours before brain death makes sense, since we're talking about a giant conscious landmass, and not a person. Charlotte is being effected because she was born on the Island, but was never an Other, so she's connected, but doesn't move with it.
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post #145 of 5187
1/22/09 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Zollicoffer View Post
It's honestly the first thing I thought. I don't like being one of those people, but I couldn't help but think there was a reason they showed Halliwax with a baby.
I was mostly kidding. I'm sure it's possible, I just don't thing everything needs to connect and that Miles being Marvin Candle's dad is kinda silly. Plus, the actor who plays Candle is Cambodian decent while the actor playing Miles is Chinese decent (I think). But that's a minor point, I suppose, since this is TV.
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post #146 of 5187
1/22/09 at 10:10am
Wow. This was like seeing your lady again after a long trip abroad. Good to have you back Lost!

Now on to some random thoughts (Sorry for any rehash but I am trying to keep this coherent):

- I am pretty sure the Others are on a different plane on time. This is evidenced when Alpert tells Locke to give him the compass in the past since he wont recognize him then. I am not sure though how this plays into the stuck/unstuck in time buisness.

- Which leads to the assumption that the current time for the survivors is still the future for the others from the past (Does that even make sense?). In other words even if they are in the past where the hatch has not exploded yet they are still in their future timeline after the events on the island. Therefore Frogurth died in current time albeit being in the past on the island.

- I think it might be too early to come up with a solid theory on how and even if they can affect the past during their time jumps. It seems though as Alpert and his people know exactly what is happening to Locke as evidenced by his speech to Locke and the compass. Which just points north by the way.

- Ben seems to be on his good ol´ scheming trip again, that loveable bug boy. What was all the preparations in the butcher shop about? Seems like it was some kind of logistic central for a bigger plan that was set in motion to get the Oceanic 6 back on the island. And Mrs. Hawkings seems to be quite up the authority ladder. She seems to give Ben orders, didn´t she? Anyway it seems like there are certain physical rules that have to be met. Like a 70 hour deadline to accomplish the return. Likely connected to the event window that was on display on her computer while she was experimenting with the Focault pendulum.

Yeah, I don´t know how to put it more clearly. I guess I have to think about it and ponder it for quite some time. Needless to say though that I am pumped to have Lost back. The next week will be a bitter sweet wait.

- ETA: Regarding Daniel at Dharma at the very beginning: That was really omnious. I am inclined to think that he was there on a mission or something from a timeline even down the future road. Him being there in the seventies to begin with does not make too much sense for me. But with all the time jumping it might very well be that we got a glimpse on what is in store for us in future episodes.
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post #147 of 5187
1/22/09 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Ady Meet Roy View Post
Pretty awesome, but massively confusing as well. My husband, who loves the show but is not as obsessive about it as I am, sat there the whole time shaking his head and saying, "I'm so confused!" He'll keep watching, but I worry that the massive information overload in these 2 eps may turn off more casual fans (provided there are any of those left!!!)

As a big Sayid fan, I have to add: Jack Bauer would be proud of him, for that death-by-sharp-knives-in-dishwasher kill. As a reward, Hurley got to play "Weekend At Bernie's" with his body for an episode & a half.

We also thought that one of the FBI guys sent to get Hurley looked like Abbadon.

And were we supposed to recognize the woman at the butcher shop? What the heck does she have to do with anything? How does she know Ben? So...much...information...

If someone told me that the LOST premiere would be an hour of Weekend at Bernie's I would have waited a day to watch it.

I was extremely excited to watch it and was thoroughly entertained but I can look back at last night and say that was probably a complete waste of two hours. I can't wait to see a YOUTUBE highlight episode showing the entire 1st episode told in 2 minutes.

I pray next week is better.
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post #148 of 5187
1/22/09 at 10:25am
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But with all the time jumping it might very well be that we got a glimpse on what is in store for us in future episodes.
Is this show really Quantum Leap on a fucking island? Is no one willing to entertain any alternative possibilities?
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post #149 of 5187
1/22/09 at 10:27am
I'm guessing that Ben unstuck the Island making it bounce around it's own time periods similar to what happened with Desmond. And that the O6 all need to get back because the whole gang is it's Constant or something similar. I would also venture to guess that the math the old lady was doing at the end is her figuring out when it will land in the present again.

I've been digesting it for a week and I'm still all kinds of confused about the whole thing.

Jorge Garcia gave a fantastic performance throughout the whole 2 hours. I nearly died when he goes you saw the Island move, "bloop". And when he wings the hot pocket at Ben. I just love the momentum this show has right now.
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post #150 of 5187
1/22/09 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
Random thoughts:

1) When we first met Daniel in season 4, he was crying as he watched the fake Oceanic 815 get dragged up. This season, he seems to have known that Ben moved the island. Is it possible that, in a sense, he's traveling through everything and therefore kind of knows all of what's going to happen or has happened? Otherwise, why would he cry at the sight of the plane (and why would he say, "I don't know?") and why would he be a member of the Dharma group in the 70's? I don't think it's the same as what was happening to the other characters. He was integrated into their group. It's not like he had just arrived there due to a flash.

2) If the Losties travel back in time and mess with Dharma, is it possible that they are what Dharma considers to be "the hostiles" and not the "original inhabitants (Alpert) like we originally thought?

3) Is the reason Charlotte is having "constant" like symptoms similar to Desmond and Fisher Stevens because she has been to the island before? (last season, telling Daniel "would it make any sense to you if I told you I was looking for the place I was born?") After all, nobody else has a bloody nose. Yet.

4) This also begs the question, do the Oceanic 6 need to return to the island so that the rest of the Losties have their "constants?"

5) They seem to be cleverly weaving in their issues of fate with their issues of science. The reason things happen for a reason is because they have to (you can't change the future...this isn't Back to the Future rules of time travel). So that kind of explains Charlie, (DaveB? You out there? What do you think) right?

6) If the island is trying to help "course correct" events, is that the reason Ana Lucia shows up to talk to Hurley? Is it trying to make sure he does what he needs to do? Is it trying to course correct?

7) Since people who die on the island keep popping up, is it because at some point in the time line it became unstuck in time? Could that play into this somehow?

Man, I could probably keep going, but these two hours gave us a TON to think about. But overall, what I'm most impressed with is how true these guys stay to their characters. Everybody is behaving correctly. When Hugo fessed up to his mom, they got me. I was worried that she was going to think he was nuts. But then he broke down and talked about how he left people behind, and I knew she'd believe him. Because one look at him in that moment and you KNOW he's telling the truth and you KNOW it's driving him crazy. Brilliantly written, acted and directed.

Also, the fact that he resents the lie so much. Perfect.

It's so refreshing after seeing what they've done to the characters in BSG for example as they winded down that show.

Lost is the shit.
I'm obsessed. I literally ran to the computer when I woke up.

1) I think Daniel had been unstuck in time, but not necessarily at that point when he saw the TV. He said I don't know because at that time in his life he had severe memory loss from his experiments at Oxford. However, subconsciously he knew that the Losties were really on the island and what would happen to all of of those people in the future.

2) I don't think so. We literally saw Dharma be attacked by the other Other's and call them the hostiles. Plus, why would the Losties attack Dharma? They can't change the future and in the future they need the Dharma hatches to survive after the crash.

3) You actually reminded me that in "the Constant" Daniel mentions that only people who have been exposed to large amounts of radiation become unstuck in time when they cross whatever barrier surrounds the island when they don't following a particular bearing. Desmond was affected because of the radiation exposure he encountered turning the fail safe key in the hatch. So the only way Charlotte could be experiencing those symptoms is if she too was exposed to large amounts of radiation.

4) No. I'm more and more convinced the Losties aren't unstuck in time. It's the island moving.

5) We had this conversation in the speculation thread. You either believe that fate only cares about big events (Charlie's death) and not about the little ones (he dies by arrow to the throat or drowns at the Looking Glass) or you think that the show messed up. I think the latter, but I can overlook it.

6) We saw last season that the island has a reach to the real world via blocking Michael's gun from discharging when he tried to commit suicide. So its fair to assume Hurley is really seeing these people as projected by the island and/or Jacob. So I don't think it is fate course correcting rouge events, but an agentic role by the island.

7) See my answer to 6.
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