LOST --- Season 5 - Page 104

So, when does the season 6 hype machine really get going? I'm assuming they'll be showing SOMETHING at Comic-Con next month...

As for other returning characters. I hope Juliet gets something significant enough, as limited as it may be. She became one of my favorite characters from the show during the last few years. Everybody else? I wouldn't be surprised if we see Charlie again, even if it's just as one of Hurley's 'ghosts'.

There's a band playing my town next Friday called Previously On Lost and all their songs are show related.

That's great! Sounds like fun. Hilarious!

I think "Jackface" would be an excellent song title/subject for them, should you have the opportunity to suggest it.

Ha! I found their Myspace page. From "The Ballad of Sayid Jarrah", "He's armed to the teeth with a gun and effective hairspray."

Saw them live at the Season 5 Season Finale party hosted by a local bar in Brooklyn. They are hysterical. My favorite song was an ode to Michael and during the chorus, the audience was prompted to scream "WALT!" It was fun for a 30 minute gig. They are the epitome of hipsterdom though.

Well then I guess I'll have to go get a pair of girl jeans and an ironic T-Shirt.

Totally off-topic, I know, but I still don't know what this kind of comment means.

Skinny jeans and ironic shirts = hipster?

Or is it that they're just 'ironic' in everything they do?

Some explanation would be appreciated. Feel free to PM so as not to turn this from a Lost thread into a 'hipster' thread.

No, I think you got it in one. It's forced and deliberate irony in every aspect of life.

They're the ones you see who are wearing the shitty cheap neon-rimmed sunglasses from the late 80s. Because it's stupid, but they KNOW it's stupid, so it's cool.

Thanks for the input, both of you.

Since I've thoroughly enjoyed the wearing of cheesy hats in the past, I suppose this means I have some hipster DNA in me per Greg's definition. However, I'm usually pretty terrible at applying irony in my daily life, much less slathering my existence in it per Mattioli's definition, so I suppose I'm not a lost cause.

...Yet.

Back on-topic:

By show of 'hands' how many folks would like the events of the finale to have successfully changed 'the past' to any degree? How many would like to see the Incident cause the 815 flight and fulfill the 'whatever happened, happened' mantra of last season?

I think it would all depend on the execution of whatever road they decide to take. Obviously, I would like it to end with everyone getting on the plane same as always and then crashing, Jack's eye opening and then cut to black; but another part of me would be satisfied (slightly less so) if they land in Los Angeles and Jack and Kate briefly encounter each other as she's being carted off, look at each other and then go their separate ways.

Google the hispter poster. Then Google a photo of them. Then check off about 90% of the boxes. They were middle class white boys who looked like they spent way too much money to dress like they just pulled clothes out of the dumpster. One guy had a Marty McFly vest, trucker hat, and high top sneaks. There was another guy who's job seemed to be wearing goofy sunglasses and holding various props (a photo of JJ Abrams, a palm tree); occasionally he played the cowbell. And while I can't quite describe their dance moves, it was similar to how every hipster I've ever seen dances. Sort of spasdic movements that may or may not actually coincide with the music. The "I want to dance, but I'm too cool to dance, so I'm only half heartedly dancing" thing. Oh, and you know, that they are a band that sings about Lost episodes.

My intent is to be honest, and not insulting, when I say that it sounds as though they irritated you because you think (but don't know) that they have money but dress like they don't, and because they acted/danced goofily. To which I have to ask: what's the big deal?

On-topic: I really hope that they don't majorly reset the timeline as a result of the Incident.

I would not like to see them change the past and somehow have some things undone. Bring Jack and his crew forward to 2007 and let the show play out from there.

I don't want the show to end with Jack waking up again after the crash, or Jacob and that other guy welcoming a new set of people to the island.

My fault, Parker.

I love being back in the position of now knowing what in the fuck is going to happen.

I was so befuddled (in a good way) by the finale that I don't even really care to speculate.

I'm firmly in the "whatever happened happened" camp. There's a lot to address in this last season, so I hope we don't get caught up in the mechanics of a reset in 2004, regardless of whether the O6 remember or don't remember.

Plus, it's a nice and clean theory of time travel. The variable theory makes things so messy that we're dependent on some wonky "course correction" to address the butterfly effect and bring the players where they need to be for the show to continue to hold together.

I'd love to see it have some kind of effect. Who knows, maybe they fucked things up so badly that they now have to contend with Sleestacks.

I think the "What Happened, Happened" route is the way to go. Not that I don't think one is necessarily better than the other, but like DaveB said, it's nice and clean. There are plenty of ways for them to keep playing with it too, such as the whole fate vs. free will thing. There's room for both, to a degree, as has been previously discussed on here.

Outside of that though, changing things would be cool, but I don't think that they have the time to do that idea justice without rushing everything into one jacked up season (Jack... heh heh). There's too much to deal with that already happened to have it have to happen again... in a different way, or not at all. But who knows? Besides there's still Desmond to play with (at least most of us think so) as the possible variable in the guts of the mystic machine making all this stuff work.

In the end, as I've mentioned before, I have faith that these guys have The Big Idea down, so I'm just gonna let them roll it out for us and enjoy the ride. And also, like joeypants, I have no idea how things are really gonna play out and trying to figure it out ahead of time would probably just lead to nosebleeds and confusion.

Spolier for Charlie's faith.

re: new ABC promo with Charlie

Rumors of a zombie season turn out to be true? We know Claire's back next season too. In what capacity?

To be fair, I never said hipsters irritated me. It was used as a descriptor because quite honestly its the best way to describe the band. It says everything all at once.

As for the topic at hand, I don't think the show is going the alternative timeline route. It doesn't make sense to reboot the series in its final season. The Losties in teh past will join the Losties in the present, we'll learn about the Shadow of the Statue people, and the battle between Jacob/MiB will play out with the Losties somehow determining their fate.

The whole hipster thing doesn't turn me off to going to the show because there aren't a lot of things that come through my town that are as potentially great as Previously on Lost.

Because I can't resist:

FRY: Why is everyone wearing those glowing rings?
AMY (wearing a ton of rings): Because no one wears rings anymore! Duh! Rings are lame!
FRY: I think they're cool.
GUY WEARING RINGS: Hey, did that guy just say rings are cool?
AMY: Uh, no, he said they're lame.
GUY WEARING RINGS: Cool!

And to atone for my derailment: I have a weird feeling they're going to make sure everyone comes back for the final season. Yeah, that's not much of a stretch given the prevalence of ghosts, smoke monster visions, and flashbacks on this show, but I actually think it might go further than that, into time-fuckery.

In particular, I can't help thinking Michael's not done. Certainly Perrineau seemed kinda pissed at the lack of resolution for his character, and they left the door open for him to return, kinda. And obviously there's Walt, the show's biggest dangling loose end.

It just occurred to me: way back in it's first season, J.J. Abrams stated that THE STAND was a big influence (as well as King in general) on the show.

And do you all remember how the Dark Tower series ended? Do you?

If I remember correctly it ended exactly as it began, expect for a minor addition.

The climax was terrible. The very very end, however, was the bee's knees.

Man: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once. Everything that comes before is just progress.

This kind of sounds like it's implying a Dark Tower ending. We begin where we started, except a little better. Though, I think it won't be with the SAME characters. Our characters complete their cycle, and more people come, fight, destroy, corrupt. But it's the little progress along the way that matters.
I do think the last shot has to be an eye, but I hope they don't identify whose it is.

See I took the scene between Jacob and MiB to imply that the Losties are the ones who make it only end once.

Yeah I figured thats why we are focusing on this group. There have been many groups before them but these are the ones who will end things. Makes sense actually considering Jacob is dead. For whatever reason this two have been playing this game forever and black shirt was looking for a way to kill Jacob, he finally did. How can a game be played with only one player? Also they stated that Jacob was the one who always calls them there. Without Jacob people tend not to find the island. Although thats assuming Jacob is 100% dead. But even if he isn't this is certainly the first time he has been "killed" which is a big enough wrinkle to make me think this is the final group.

QFT. You reminded me about this. We are seeing this particular story since it has something to tell us, not because Juliet or Kate are hotter than other avatars. This time Jacob could win.

Whereas I took his meaning to be that there are no endings in life save for one exception, and that as long as people are alive there is the potential for new beginnings.

Death is where it ends. Everything before that is an opportunity to progress.

I've jumped on the Lost Rewatch train, and I just made my way through the first four episodes of Season One, which got me thinking - How do you all feel about starting a Lost Rewatch thread here and discussing the show from the start, aided by the new info from the finale?

I think it could be interesting, and I'm planning on rewatching anyway. I'd like it if I had some of you folks to chat about it with.

I noticed that when Christian first appears on the Island he nearly gets Jack to plummet off of a cliff. Given what we now know and what we see of Hurley and Dave, I'd say that hints at Christian being a manifestation of the MiB.

ETA: I've put a Lost Rewatch thread up. Join the festivities if you're so inclined.

Etching a couple theories here in (virtual) stone:

1) When MiB asks Jacob if he knows how badly he wants to kill him, he's not stopped by an agreement or Jacob's power or a mystical force. Much like Micheal's gun not firing when he tried to off himself, MiB has tried to kill Jacob, but because Jacob's death has already been determined, any attempt by MiB to kill him will fail. Similarly, Ben has tried to kill Widmore as well, and knows that he literally cannot. There are very few explanations that would prevent the unhinged Ben from killing Widmore after Alex dies, and this one fits well with the show's established rules of time.

2) -Every- single incidence of characters seemingly knowing future events is a result of time travel. This would include Jacob's visits to the Oceanic survivors. The show has already established that every other case of precognition was actually a result of someone living the future and telling of it (like Faraday's journal). It stands to reason that Jacob is also operating under similar knowledge (of course, he is on the island in 1977).

But I'll go further and say that either the survivors make a trip to the distant past, or a younger Jacob meets these people in the future and then travels to the distant past (which would explain the fairly modern looks and english he and MiB are characterized by when these 'ancient' beings are chatting to each other). This would also further explain MiB's disdain for the cycle of destruction - imagine living 1000 years of history that you already knew. It could similarly be the reason Jacob seems so accepting and expecting of Ben's knife; he had been told of his own death before.

This also would explain why some people were touched by Jacob, and some were not. He didn't pick them; they picked him. They're not special because he touched them - he touched them because they're special - they're the ones that survived to meet him (or whoever told him about them, perhaps Walt?). Jacob's not executing a plan, he's acting similarly to Eloise, following the script of the future he's already been told will come to pass.