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post #51 of 441
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
The Freepers are losing their minds over the no jacket photo.
God, that's great. I love how 50 posts down, people are still making jokes about Clinton having his pants off in the office. Clearly, this is not the only message board where people don't read the thread before they post!
post #52 of 441
My favorite is the third "I'm surprised he's not wearing a backwards hat" post. That little gem has replay value like a Broken Lizard film.
post #53 of 441
I know religion is a touchy topic around here and that's fine but I thought this story needed telling. So I go to church yesterday, and I kid you not, at least 5 times during the bible study part someone brought up Obama. Once because they're sure he's going to mandate abortion (an exaggeration but still) and several other times using really shitty analogies that I'm still trying to make sense out of.

# of times George Bush was mentioned in the last 8 years. You guessed it.....ZERO.

It's a good thing I don't go to church for the people. Fucking neanderthals. I love Texas and I hate Texas. This was one of those times that really makes me hate it.
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post #55 of 441
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...n.html?_r=1&hp

I really hope they don't fuck this up. I'd be lying if I didn't think about the stuff mentioned in the article.

Between articles like these and the whole "starting with the wrong foot with the press" stuff I'm seeing, I'm getting nervous.

...oh, Christ, it's only been three days. Somebody shoot me.
post #56 of 441
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
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The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of involvement in a deadly bombing of the United States Embassy in Yemen’s capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen.
**sigh**


They have a name for people like you. That name is "recidivism." Repeat Offender!
post #57 of 441
So something that happened in 2007 reflects badly on Obama? You know, they STILL haven't found Amelia Earhart, what the hell is he waiting for?
post #58 of 441
Huh ... the article brings up a valid point, and it will be the one thing that could backfire on those executive orders. That's why they're not closing Guantanamo next year, it's a bit more complicated and they'll need a year to iron out all the details (which I'm betting they don't have all the answers now).
post #59 of 441
...and the beat goes on:

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama, in his first full day in office, revoked a controversial executive order signed by President Bush in 2001 that limited release of former presidents' records.

The new order could expand public access to records of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the years to come as well as other past leaders, said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists.

"It's extraordinary that a new president would address this issue on his first full day in office," Aftergood said. "It signifies the great importance he attaches to open, accountable government. The new order suggests President Obama will take a narrow view of executive privilege and assert it in a much more limited way than what we've seen in the recent past."

Under Bush's order, former presidents had broad ability to claim executive privilege and could designate others including family members who survive them to exercise executive privilege on their behalf.

Obama's new order gives ex-presidents less leeway to withhold records, Aftergood said, and takes away the ability of presidents' survivors to designate that privilege.

Separately, an Obama memorandum issued Wednesday also appears to effectively rescind a 2001 memo by President Bush's then-Attorney Gen. John Ashcroft giving agencies broad legal cover to reject public disclosure requests.

"For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. This administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but with those who seek it to be known," Obama said before a gathering that included his senior staff. "The mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it. Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."
post #60 of 441
And THIS is the reason that we needed this man running our country. I couldn't be more pleased with him. For the most part even the Conservative nutjobs I work with are surprised with what he is doing.
post #61 of 441
The whole TIm Geithner thing still bothers me.
post #62 of 441
It should. Did you watch the hearings? It's grounds for termination from a federal post, let alone giving someone a pass so they can be bumped up.
post #63 of 441
What got me was the fact that his former employer, IMF pays half their employees pallroll takes for them..So not only did he not pay, he stole as well.

and he is somehow the best man for the job?
post #64 of 441
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post
I was wondering what the Arcade Fire was doing now that their Obama dreams came true:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/articl...obama-staffers
Videos of Arcade Fire at the party. Born in the USA and Intervention.
post #65 of 441
Great first week for Obama. I wonder how he and the Missus will celebrate.
post #66 of 441
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
So something that happened in 2007 reflects badly on Obama? You know, they STILL haven't found Amelia Earhart, what the hell is he waiting for?
These expectations are getting re-goddamn-diculous.
post #67 of 441
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Great first week for Obama. I wonder how he and the Missus will celebrate.

I love the nervous laugh from off-camera and the complete obliviousness of the speaker. That this was on a Fox station makes it perfect.
post #68 of 441
Something to watch: Obama Sides With Bush in Spy Case.

The article title is far too sensational -- this is more of a procedural move but the eventual conclusion might be on the bad side.
post #69 of 441
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Great first week for Obama. I wonder how he and the Missus will celebrate.


I hope that's a timex.
post #70 of 441
Alright, so everyone is all excited about the flashy wonderful executive orders. I get it. What I don't get is how little contempt, outrage, disappointment, and dismissal there is concerning Geithner's appointment. How the fuck is it even possible for him to take the position? This card gets pulled a lot I know, but had Bush tried to appoint him...

I am looking for a genuine answer here, or some side of things I don't see. He's got 350B left of TARP to dole out (with the first couple of hundred already good and disappeared while totally unaccounted for) for chrissakes, and he's blaming TurboTax for 30k worth of mistakes.
post #71 of 441
Another day, another departure from the old days.

Obama gives an interview (full transcript) to Al Arabiya:

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U.S. President Barack Obama Monday told the Muslim world via an interview with Al-Arabiya TV that "Americans are not your enemy" and said Israel and the Palestinians should resume peace negotiations.

He said that his administration wanted to start by hearing out and speaking to all involved parties in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict without prejudging their concerns.

President Obama also praised Saudi King Abdulla for putting forward an Arab peace plan for the conflict in the Middle East and said his administration would adopt a more extensive approach in its relationship with the Muslim world.

Obama pointed out that he had lived in the world’s largest Muslim nation, Indonesia for several years while growing up, and said his travels through Muslim countries had convinced him that regardless of faith, people had certain common hopes and dreams.

During the U.S. presidential election campaign last year, Obama vowed to improve U.S. ties with the Muslim world and said he would travel to a major Islamic capital to send that message. The President repeated this pledge during the interview but did not mention any time, or a venue.

The president, who took office a week ago, said he had begun to fulfill the promises he made during his campaign by naming former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell as his Middle East peace envoy and sending him to the region within days of becoming president. Mitchell is expected in the region Monday evening.
Or as Foxwould like to say starts already negotiating with terrorists:

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President Obama did a quick pivot Monday, shifting his focus to foreign policy by contacting a handful of major world leaders -- including Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and French President Nikolas Sarkozy -- as his new U.N. ambassador restated the desire for vigorous and "direct diplomacy" with Iran.
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Back in the U.S., U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, who was confirmed last week for the post, said Monday that Iran's refusal to meet international obligations will increase pressure on Tehran to drop its nuclear ambitions and cooperate with the United States and global community.

Besides pursuing nuclear weapons, Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and support for Hamas, a terror group designated by the U.S., Israel and the European Union.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Rice's remarks are not a departure from statements made previously by Obama the candidate. She merely restated the administration position that no forms of communication should be off the table with the Islamic regime.
post #72 of 441
And he also made great leaps towards making the US fix the environmental issue!
post #73 of 441
I just watched the Al Arabiya interview. Was that logic that was coming out of his mouth? I'm confused. And a little scared.
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It's good to be the president.
post #75 of 441
Times are changing indeed. Maybe now the MPAA wouldn´t ban posters for Zack and Miri anymore since it is presidentially approved.
post #76 of 441
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Originally Posted by Renn Brown View Post
This card gets pulled a lot I know, but had Bush tried to appoint him...

I am looking for a genuine answer here, or some side of things I don't see.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney...last_1011.html

This, of course, occurred well after Cheney claimed to have severed 'all ties with Halliburton.'

Look, I hate the equivocation game as well. Cheney did that, so it's okay that Geitner fucked up his taxes? No, not at all, but here is your answer to 'if Bush had tried to appoint him.' Bush didn't try to appoint a crook, he was on the same ticket with one.

With Geitner, we are talking about not properly accounting for your income as 'self-employed.' Geitner was working for the IMF, which is an international organization. If he did use TurboTax to calculate his taxes, it's obvious that TurboTax does not account for the particulars of such a situation. In that case, he is guilty of poor judgment, but it is not a crime. The fines and missing taxes were paid. It certainly looks bad, but I don't think it is or should be a confirmation killer. There is a reasonable explanation for why this happened, and there is the suggestion of wrong-doing. The wrong-doing is, at this point, simply a suggestion. There is no legal case against him, the fact is IMF employees are taxed in a very peculiar and obscure fashion, and the discrepancy was dealt with. No one is going to hold Dick Cheney's feet to fire over the $8 million he earned in a clear conflict of interest, and he's not going to give it back. Jumping all over $30,000 that has been repaid seems, unfortunately, a bit partisan.

But it's politics! Fuck yeah, let's get partisan on this shit. There is absolutely no way the $350 billion left in TARP could be handed out any more haphazardly or irresponsibly than in the way Paulson handled it. $350 billion is already gone, scattered to the four winds. The treasury has independently secured another $1.2 trillion to back bad assets in the banks with absolutely no oversight. The banks have used huge chunks of this money to buy other banks (Bank of America got billions to help it buy Morgan Stanley, and now that Stanley's bad assets belong to BoA and BoA is posting losses, BoA needs more money), lobby congress for more money (and to oppose the Union rights bill), and buy jets and shit. Yes, Obama voted for the bill. I was against the bill. It was and is a bad bill. It was also a necessary bill - to the degree that nation's markets have not seized up completely, throwing the banks a lifeline was absolutely critical. However, Paulson botched the job. His own vested interests on Wall Street occluded good judgment. The banks aren't dead quite yet, but they're not doing any lending either (Citi is a dead bank walking).

And now, as we discuss putting money into the nation's infrastructure (instead of just giving it all to the banks) in the new stimulus package, everyone is getting concerned by the costs involved. The fact is, infrastructure stimulus should have been handled with the first package. That it wasn't points to the failure of leadership in both parties. The Dems inability to deliver a 'clean' bill (the kind that Obama requested, and has been pretty consistent in seeking) is a black mark against Pelosi, Reid, and the rank & file. The Republicans sudden concern for 'massive government spending' is a continuing joke. Perhaps they could have said something as Reagan, Bush I and Bush II ran up 90% of the current leviathan debt.

The only person in government who seems to be serious about dealing with the residual fallout of the credit crunch, as it pertains to most Americans, is President Obama. [Dealing with the roots of the problem are a bit more difficult, and probably will involved huge sums of money as the Banks' bad assets are isolated into a national 'bad bank'; that, or the banks will have to be nationalized.] Jobs are being lost, the infrastructure is crumbling, growth is going into reverse, we are tumbling into a global recession. Direct and dynamic stimulus is needed now.

I realize a lot of the bill is backloaded, in that much of the direct stimulus isn't to be released for quite some time. This confuses me, it enrages me, and I don't know who to blame for that. it's stupid. Spend the money, spend it now. Our government hasn't had any fucking problem doing that for well on two decades now (a couple Clinton years being the exception). We reach a point where this modus operandi actually becomes beneficial and everyone starts clucking about 'out of control spending.' If we could get a quarter of the $2-5 trillion already shelled out to the banks (estimates vary!) back and put that into creating jobs and fixing roads and building energy grids and water desalinization plants, this thing would be looking a lot better. But we've crossed that bridge, and the motherfucker has collapsed behind us.

Let Geitner handle the TARP. The country, quite literally, does not have time to fuck around. We've been doing that for 8 years.
post #77 of 441
$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL? Why on earth does the CDC need that much money?
post #78 of 441
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL? Why on earth does the CDC need that much money?
We just declared a "War On Skanks". FOX News. 35 minutes ago.
post #79 of 441
Thank you Zhukov, that's exactly what I was looking for.

And that Obama pic is very unfortunate. Reminds me of the Jesus statue or picture or whatever that has the kids head in his lap.
post #80 of 441
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
We just declared a "War On Skanks". FOX News. 35 minutes ago.
which is a shame, as a country we need our skanks, but a clean skank is a good skank!
post #81 of 441
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
We just declared a "War On Skanks".
Let's hope we are ready for the pull-out.
post #82 of 441
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
$335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL?
Fuck yes.
post #83 of 441
I'm watching a White House Briefing with the Press Secretary, and the way that he's dodging a question about Geithner appointing a Goldman-Sachs lobbyist... it sounds exactly the same. Exactly. It's the same bullshit. This man has no answers, just stuttering spin. This is so completely frustrating.
post #84 of 441
That does disappoint. The Lobbyist Rule is good in theory; the revolving door between government and high-level corporate interest is disgusting. Raytheon first, now Goldman Sachs . . . I do understand that occasionally a waiver will have to issued, as some jobs are too important, and some qualified people would legitimately violate the rule of the law, if not the spirit, but I don't see how either one of these rises to that level.

If I may be cautiously hopeful on the effect of these rules: I think it is crucial to stop government officials working for specific laws, that benefit specific corporations, and then joining the board or lobby of those same corporations for huge windfalls as soon as they leave government. That absolutely has to stop.

An argument can be made that you have to pick your people from somewhere, and sometimes these conflicts are unavoidable. I don't like it, but the real proof will be if ex-officials are held over the fire about obtaining plumped positions for corporate entities. We'll see, I guess, but the precedent already set is disheartening.
post #85 of 441
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ates-left.html

Didn't know where to post this. Good news for 2010?
post #86 of 441
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ates-left.html

Didn't know where to post this. Good news for 2010?
Yet House Republicans are still delusional enough to think that THEIR policies are the ones Americans really need and are for the good of the country. Retarded Fucks!
post #87 of 441
Republicans are looking like petulant children regarding the bailout, while Obama has extended his hand for negotiations. I have a feeling Obama is going to have to fuck up royally in the next four years to lose in 2012 due to the Republicans' actions and the pathetic slate of GOP candidates: Palin, Romney, Jindal etc.
post #88 of 441
I'm just glad that in the midst of all of this, Obama has the time to communicate with America 140 characters at a time:

http://twitter.com/POTUSbarry1961

"people are hanging up ziggy comics everywhere around here. it's driving me crazy"

"steve just laughed at "putin." THAT'S A REAL GUY'S NAME, STEVE"

"biden wants to go grab a bag of sliders. helicopter is on the back lawn. should i???"
post #89 of 441
It's good to know that even the President of the USA gets a craving for sliders every once in a while.
post #90 of 441
Fuckin A'.

Although I say Pelosi should introduce the pres to a little something known as In-N-Out.
post #91 of 441
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prank called the rush limbaugh show and he bought it hahahahaha! I.P. freely strikes again
That's great.
post #92 of 441
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_161240.html

I'm not liking this shift into "Obama might make mistakes, but at least he's not Bush!" standard that Obama and the media in general from cultivating. To me there have been standards set by great leaders and great Presidents which I think our Commander in Chiefs should try to acknowledge or even emmulate, and the scape-goating of some Obama's decisions over the past few weeks on the "He's Not Bush" platform is only going to be detrimental in the long run when the honeymoon phase starts to wear off.

Then again, he could be a perfect leader for the next four or eight years and none of this will matter. It's just sort of the principle of the thing.
post #93 of 441
Thread Starter 
Is Obama going to have to choke a CEO?

I'm loving this new president.

"We shouldn't have to tell them, they should know better"

Fuck yeah.
post #94 of 441
I honestly don't know if Obama could've played the politics behind the stimulus bill any better. There was very little chance that the House Repubs were going to do anything else than all vote against this. First of all, they're ideologically opposed to spending on the poor, second, they have a partisan need to be critical of the Dems, and last but not least, their constituents are super conservative. Remember, the House GOP blocked the Paulson bailout bill too.

As a national party, the Repubs under Bush were the YES party until Katrina. Now they are in danger of becoming the NO party under Obama. It'll be interesting to see what shape the Senate bill takes. I'd love to see less tax cuts, more infrastructure spending, and a tighter focus on economic multipliers. I mean, what do the Dems have to lose at this point? Obama put on a good faith, public show to court the GOP and they basically blew him off.

At this point, all I'd like to see is an okay bill get better as the legislation process moves forward in the Senate and in the final negotiations.
post #95 of 441
At this point, the House Republicans are so marginalized by their own stubborn idiocy, that the Blue Dog Dems are effectively functioning as the conservatives. If the Republicans just aren't going to play ball, why bother talking to them? That means Obama and Pelosi can spend more time on the Blue Dogs, making them happy, and making sure the happy Democratic rainbow coalition doesn't go in a bajillion pieces.
post #96 of 441
Thread Starter 
I agree. The Republican plan is to basically do nothing for the next two years and say "I told you so" when the midterms roll around. It's a cynical, cowardly ploy but when your party hasn't had a new idea for 30 years, what else can you do? If Obama can take down Hillary and the Republican smear machine, I don't see him having any problems with the idiots in Congress.

So far, Obama is performing above my expectations. I've caught myself saying several times during the past week, "So this is how you're supposed to act as president." I've forgotten.
post #97 of 441
Thread Starter 
I agree. The Republican plan is to basically do nothing for the next two years and say "I told you so" when the midterms roll around. It's a cynical, cowardly ploy but when your party hasn't had a new idea for 30 years, what else can you do? If Obama can take down Hillary and the Republican smear machine, I don't see him having any problems with the idiots in Congress.

So far, Obama is performing above my expectations. I've caught myself saying several times during the past week, "So this is how you're supposed to act as president." I've forgotten.
post #98 of 441
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
So far, Obama is performing above my expectations. I've caught myself saying several times during the past week, "So this is how you're supposed to act as president." I've forgotten.
Hear hear. I'd all but forgotten that politics is the art of the possible.
post #99 of 441
House Republicans got zero input into the the Pelosi Bill. None. It was nice that Obama met with them. But the only change that came out of the meeting was Obama pressuring Pelosi to drop part of the funding for family planning clinics.

Also, the bill is being sold as a stimulus package. To crib from David Brooks' NYT column today, a stimulus, to have its intended effect, needs certain safeguards or parameters. Larry Summers, one of Obama's top economic advisers, said a stimulus must be timely, targeted, and temporary, as well as not raising deficits beyond "a year or two at most." The monstrosity Pelosi and friends drafted is a long-term, budget-busting spending program that borrows hundreds of billions over the next six years to fund virtually every Democratic pet project proposed in the last 3 decades. It creates a dozen new bureaucracies and establishes a new floor for future budgets that are far beyond tax revenue. It's a way to use the crisis to do almost everything the Democrats have ever wanted to do, so long as a few morsels are in there that could arguably be called a stimulus.

There is nothing else the Republicans could have done other than vote en masse against such an irresponsible and hastily written bill meant to greatly expand the federal bureaucracy at a time when it's the private sector that needs the boost. Particularly when the Republicans were completely shut out of the process by Congressional Democrats. They weren't even allowed to offer up amendments for a vote. Again, it's largely not a stimulus bill. It's Democratic wish fulfillment. And they are exploiting the economic crisis to do an end-around on the usual budget process. Let the House Democrats own it. If it works, great. Democrats get all the credit and become a permanent majority. If it makes things worse or has no effect, we know we need something different from our spending bills and our representatives in Washington. It's just good to see the Republicans returning to their principles regarding fiscal responsibility that they seemed to have abandoned a decade or more ago.
post #100 of 441
Now the Republicans have come out with the Anti-Obama. Michael Steele.
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