Cocksucker - Page 2

I just hope Honky never goes away.

Anyone who takes offense at cocksucker is a moron. Faggotry is a special kind of gold.

Damn right.

Doesn't bother me a bit.

I don't think faggot is anymore homophobic then using son of a bitch is misogynistic. I think they're loaded words like nigger, kike or wop but on the whole they're meaningless without context. Watch a racist spit out the word "black" and tell me that somehow it's less racist because that's an acceptable term. The context is the key.

What about the word "nigger"? I feel funny even typing the word out but if you go into the black community, you'll hear this word all the time. About as much as you'd hear Brits say "mate" in England. Out of all the profanities in the world, that word has had the most interesting journey. Still taboo to say for white people and a term of endearment in the African American community (or some parts of it anyway).

Apparently, "gay" has gone through quite a journey, too: from "happy" to "bad" - almost completely switching meaning - within a few generations.

One time I was looking through my high school yearbook with a gay friend and he pointed to a guy I particularly didn't like and said "This guy looks nice", to which I replied "Naw, he's a cocksucker. I hated him.", to which my friend mumbled under his breath "but I kind of like that".

I felt bad, and replied "He was a bad cocksucker, not the good kind." It was all I could think of.

So when I burn myself with a soldering iron and called said soldering iron a cocksucker, I'm disparaging gay people. Good to know.

Are you wearing a leather face mask at the time? Then, I think it's cool.

Great. Look what you cocksuckers did.....

A lot of people are quick to say 'cocksucker' is a great insult and that the meaning has changed so it's acceptable. (And in the case of Ted Haggard I'd be inclined to agree with you all in the literal and Swearengensian sense of the word.)

"That's so gay, d00d" - the internet put down for the unimaginative 13 year old also has a new meaning. But how does this not create a homophobic impression for some gay kid reading it, to make them feel ashamed of their sexuality? Cocksucker does the same, this is obvious. And yes, in the case of women it's demeaning to them. But fuck it, I'm white, heterosexual, and am pretty safe to say cocksucker any context in my increasingly homophobic Australian culture (12 years of John 'Family Values' Howard reading his Republican play book for sleight of hand politics, is not undone in a day.)

Cocksucker, faggot, totally gay.

Are people seriously saying these have completely new meanings that divorces them from the homophobic attack?

The meaning hasn't changed. It's just become acceptable again to make put downs based on minorities, and those saying it find it acceptable as they're safe inside the in-group. And people wonder how Proposition 8 got in?

Your friend was being kind of a faggot.

Well, as someone mentioned, it is possible for a word to become 100% divorced from its meaning - look at "motherfucker." You can't say that mothers or fucking have anything to do with that word anymore.

But yeah, I agree that "gay" and "faggot" are not there yet, if they ever will be. Some people can say them just for the flavor and anger of the words, but a lot of the time there is a squicky undertone, especially in young males (at least the ones I know) who are so often homophobic in other ways.

I know it's just an example, but it's hardly the same. 'Mothers' are hardly a minority, and don't get physically attacked for being mothers, or have to campaign to receive basic human rights.

Yeah. I am agreeing with you, mostly.

That is, I think it's definitely possible to say these words simply for effect - and if anyone can do it, Devin can - but that in my life, at this time, it's probably best to avoid them completely. That's because I still see people who aren't cool enough, who do hate gays, who do use "faggot" in its worst sense, etc. Maybe I just need to hang around better people. Or move.

Ha ha! Yeah, though in his defense, he's a really sweet guy who wasn't trying to make me feel bad.

I suppose you could say that "gypsy" is the root of all evil.

Yeah, I've said it. Was never sure of the spelling, sometimes I wrote jipped, being entirely ignorant of the word's origins and of the plight of gypsies. And I'm a hypocrit because I'm going to put that into James Kimbell's words 100% divorced from their meaning (99% now that you've enlightened me, thanks for that).

So your point is that everyone says hurtful things, whether slighting the feelings of that minority in society that fucks their mother or jovially calling someone on the internet a cocksucker, that you can never draw the line?

It's a great insult, and I hate to deprive you of your tools of trade, given it equates its target with lowly secondclass sexual reprobates who are unloved by God. Cocksucker, and every other homophobic attack the internet and media leaps upon just is wrong, and its casual use increasingly demeans an already badly marginalised group; sorry to deprive you of your liberty.

Am I the only one reading this thread as the "this word is ok if I use it 'cause I'm all smart and ironic an' shit" but not if some cracker from unedumacated Crackerstan uses it in a bar fight in Daytona on spring break?

Hey. You just seem pre-emptively defensive about some odd things. Your writing is constantly amazing, often exhilarating, but you have some fascinating quirks as well.

You're a better man than I, Gunga Din, but you you can still be a great asshole.

I'm tired of the same old words. The longer they stick around the more complex and distracting their etymologies become. The next time I feel it necessary to deride an individual or individuals who, in my estimation, either literally or figuratively suck cock by choice, I'm gonna call them fellatiants and see what happens.

Fair enough, maybe it's just me. I just felt like your original post read like kind of an excuse for someone who'd been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and was making deliberate, elaborate and poetic excuses for his alleged crime(s). The video in question was removed before I ever got a chance to see it, so I'm only going by the goofy thread.

This is kinda tough for me, 'cause I think you're both brilliant and an asshole in equal measures, but when I see a Devin byline I click on the article, regardless. Your ego seems to have expanded exponentially in recent years, but Holy Shit, you're an entertaining author.

I dunno. Like I said, you're a Better Man than Me, but you really can be an enormous dick.

There are also the Gypsies that consider themselves outside the law and are the bane of the english countryside setting up wherever they want and generally causing mischief on public and private properties through stealing and degrading around their located areas.I've met a couple of gypsies and they were nice fellas but bollocks to 'em,they're a nightmare.

I believe this is the type of gypsy someone references when slighting a person,not the persecuted Jews during the war.

- Possibly a good way of knocking an argument on the head as you'll just get a quizzical look,they might even think your being complimentary.

While it's interesting to have these kind of discussions, let's be honest, the Chud boards are mostly a (straight) boy's club, and I think you could argue that the attitudes of some of the men here and the kind of language used has a lot to do with that.

Oh man, this was one of those posts I had a real burning regret about for a little while. It would be a lot better if you knew how nebbish my Dad is.

Basically. You're insulting someone, so why should you be concerned that your choice of words insults someone else. People just like to get butthurt (ohh homophobic) for the sake of false outrage.

As for your initial question and the use of cocksucker, I use it as a term of endearment.

For what it's worth, I had a lot of sympathy for your dad when I read it. I think we've all been pushed to the brink, and I'd imagine that pressure increases exponentially when you have kids. The fact he was utterly mortified proves it was a slip and not some indicator of his true self.

Woody Allen, droppin' n-bombs left and right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agd5zFxD-pc

I think it's Tom Nutall's line, but "And anyone who disagrees with me sucks cock by choice!" makes a semiregular appearance in my drunken vocabulary. Thanks, Mr. Milch!

I'd say it's subjective. If a guy get's pissed just because you said "Cocksucker", with no other context provided, then sure, he's oversensitive. If a gay man was getting stomped by a redneck whilst said redneck was screaming "cocksucker" at him, I can see why the guy would be sensitive to the word. I don't think it means you should alter your vocabulary when you write or post stuff for the site, but just be ready for people to be offended. Can't please everyone all of the time.

It's the favorite curseword of many of the actors AND actresses that have appeared on 'Inside the Actor's Studio'.

I figure he was just joking. It would have made me laugh.

That's valid.

The same goes for ladies as well. Some of the Gossip threads are one degree from Fabfunkian.

Yes they do! Abortion, being made to stay in the kitchen and adopt a domesticated role, etc....come on. You're setting yourself up to be a permanent hypocrite.

These are cusses we're talking about and thus meant to be ugly words, otherwise they wouldn't be cusses. Some Chewers' faggotry on this issue is starting to piss me off. If somebody uses these words to disparage a minority group, you can always tell regarding context. Lighten the hell up and stop with the white fucking guilt, those of you who are white. Be confident you aren't a fascist!

Okay.

Okay.

I've been trying all day not to come in here and do this, but I'm just dying to know...

When you call someone a cocksucker, regardless of whether either party is gay, straight, male, female, whatever, you are calling them A Bad Thing, right? You are unambiguously saying that it is negative and shameful to be a person who likes to put male genitalia in one's mouth, correct?





So, uh, do you guys not like getting head?

Be gone with your logic, Zooey! It's not welcome here!

Getting head is for cocksuckers.

No one feels slighted for being called a cocksuckee.

At a certain point words just becomes 'bad' or mean. It could be anything, as long as you associate it as derogatory. Literal meaning no longer applies regardless of origins. Cocksucker = Bastard = Asshole = douche and when applied to someone in a demeaning way it usually does not mean that I think you suck cock = were an illegitimate child = an anus = or a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons.

Context for fucks sake!

I completely agree that "cocksucker" doesn't always, or even usually, have a homophobic connotation.

But you guys have been talking about the importance of context (which I agree is important), so let's look at the context of the term's use in that video: Devin was absolutely challenging Billington's masculinity, and trying to make him look like a pussy (or, if you prefer, a "bitch"). Talking about how he's never been laid, how he should get AIDS, how he engages in "faggotry." Saying that "cocksucker" is stripped of sexual connotations in this argument strikes me as fairly disingenuous.

And even with the stuff that is bad - like motherfucking - you're not disparaging, because you're not thinking about anything even tangentially related to the act when you use the word. If hooked up to electrodes, you would not display activity in the areas of the brain concerning parents or sex.

Exactly. Now what we we talking about again?

It's a context thing, like everyone's saying. If any other gay friend of mine would've said it I would've known he was joking, but this guy didn't have many straight friends, and was genuinely disturbed by the aggression in my language. It was kind of like using the language in front of my Grandmother. It seemed like a good story for this thread, but in hindsight I see that it requires too much back story.