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While I fully acknowledge dynamotv's thread, that seems to be more a "here's what I believe" type discussion whereas I thought I'd create a thread thats more of an open ended sharing and discussion on everything to do with the 'unexplained' phenomena in popular culture. I don't really care if you believe in any of the more famous stuff or not, I used to be quite the believer as a kid but have become much more skeptical in my old age.

So whether it's UFO's and aliens, sasquatch or cryptozoology in general, secret black ops military speculative hardware and technology, or the supernatural, or whatever, think of this thread as a catch all for discussions, stories, arguments, news reports, images or videos*.



Okay I'll kick things off with a couple of discussion topics.

- Project Aurora - Supposedly the top secret spy and recon plane that can go between mach 6-8 that replaced the Blackbird which in turn had replaced the U2 spy plane, I'm not even sure if this one can be filed under 'unexplained' personally. Between photos of the infamous 'donut on a rope' contrail to reports and photos of black triangular craft in the sky for the last twenty years (to be honest, as I've gotten older Ive come to the conclusion that many unexplained UFO's could very easily be simply confidential military aircraft - the unexplainable ones mind you as opposed to the easily debunkable) this seems pretty obviously in existence to me personally. Anyone here with any air force knowledge that may know a little more about this? Am I just a fool and most people accept it as fact now anyway?


- Crazy cryptozoological videos - so I have a bit of a thing for cryptozoology, for some reason thats the only real unexplainable stuff that still fascinates the hell out of me (sasquatch in particular), whether Im a believer or not. As a consequence I throw up a couple of vids here.

First one is known as the "Gable Film". Supposedly shot on 8mm and found in someones attic or basement if I recall, I saw this film last year and rewatched it a few times to try and get past my immediate "what the hell' reaction. While I suspect its a hoax, its definately a damn good one - kinda freaky too, but that may just be the Floyd playing over the video.

Second vid and photos - Chupacabras. Personally Im open minded to the idea theyre either some hybrid or strange species of hairless canine ( a lot of people say their malnourished coyotes with mange, but if thats the case theres a fair many of them considering reports and the like) Then you have videos like this and photos like this, this and this (check the front teeth), which seem to bear that theory out to me personally. I certainly don't think they look anything like this thats for sure.



So there's a few to kick off discussion, but what gets you interested in these areas? Like I said, I'm a helluva long way from the Mulderesque believer I was for the first two decades of my life or so, but I still find this stuff utterly fascinating, as much for what it says about us as for the topics themselves.





*While Im sure this will touch on famous conspiracies as well, there have been so many other topics started here dealing with 9-11 nonsensical ramblings or Illuminati craziness and the like, maybe save them for a "conspiracy thread" rather than this one
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Given the fact that we're finding previously undiscovered species in the rain forests and in the deep ocean, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there's a Bigfoot-like race wandering around somewhere.
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My favorite category of the unexplained is by far cryptozoology. That's not to say I am positive Nessie exists and all, but it's just a fact there are plenty of species all over the world we have not discovered. I'm with Dickson in that I would in no way be shocked to get full confirmation of a bigfoot, or even chupacabra. My hunting lease is down in south Texas, and our ranch hands are all from Mexico. They're not shy in telling you to watch out for chupacabra when you're walking the acreage.

Isn't Aurora supposedly the plane that also flys in low earth orbit as well?
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Predicting the Future: I've had many personal instances where I've had sudden flashes of insight into what's going to happen in the future -

- I'm one of those guys that wins prizes frequently. Without fail, I'll KNOW with 100% certainty that I'm going to win a prize about a minute before the name is drawn.
- I've had moments where something will suddenly tell me to TURN HERE NOW while I'm driving. Each time that I've done this, I've avoided an area where an accident occurred.
- Nobody plans surprises for me anymore; I'm known for catching on at the last minute that something's going to happen.
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This is almost certainly a hoax, but limping gnomes are still creepy as all hell:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle902014.ece
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I've become less convinced about the Loch Ness Monster. It can't possibly be one creature causing all the sightings all these years, and an enclosed location like the loch wouldn't be well-suited to a decent-sized breeding population. And if there was a breeding population, we'd have seen much more evidence by now.
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This is almost certainly a hoax...
I imagine pretty much every entry in this thread is going to begin and end with that statement.

Still, I love those little hand-held camera moments.
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I'm going to call BULLSHIT on anyone who believes that people can talk to the dead ala John Edward.
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This thread has lead me to a couple of interesting sites...

Cryptomundo
The Anomalist
TinWiki
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What about dead people who are minutes away from winning a prize?
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What about dead people who are minutes away from winning a prize?
Don't make me sic Penn & Teller on you.
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I'm going to call BULLSHIT on anyone who believes that people can talk to the dead ala John Edward.
South Park took him to school so completely I'm amazed he still has a career.
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*cracks knuckles*

I think I quit posting on this site last year, but this thread won me back...

Aurora - It's unmanned. It can fly in space. It can turn at right angles. It has no engines, just slits along the surface which open and close to propel itself. It's actually pretty old (twenty years about right). My friend's dad worked on several top secret Air Force projects. He still does. One recent one is so interesting... Anyways, I can't talk about it (no I'm not teasing).

Chupacabra - I read a year or two ago that the Puerto Rican gov. finally admitted that it was a hoax to attract tourists. The photos you have are just disfigured dogs.

Ghosts, etc. - Ghosts don't exist. It doesn't make sense to me that human souls hang around on earth. THAT being said, I DO believe there are supernatural beings in space and on earth. If anyone requests, I could tell my skeptical dad's Baptist college story involving a Chinese roommate with a Satanic bible. Of course no one will request...
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*cracks knuckles*

I think I quit posting on this site last year, but this thread won me back...

Aurora - It's unmanned. It can fly in space. It can turn at right angles. It has no engines, just slits along the surface which open and close to propel itself. It's actually pretty old (twenty years about right). My friend's dad worked on several top secret Air Force projects. He still does. One recent one is so interesting... Anyways, I can't talk about it (no I'm not teasing).
AAAAAAAAARGH. You may not be teasing but I've still got blue balls.

Jesus, can you at least talk in broad strokes and generalities? Is this the next in line to replace the Aurora?

If this is so incredibly confidential how come your friends dad told you about it?
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Ghosts, etc.[/B] - Ghosts don't exist. It doesn't make sense to me that human souls hang around on earth. THAT being said, I DO believe there are supernatural beings in space and on earth. If anyone requests, I could tell my skeptical dad's Baptist college story involving a Chinese roommate with a Satanic bible. Of course no one will request...
OK, I'll bite. Tell us the story.
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AAAAAAAAARGH. You may not be teasing but I've still got blue balls.

Jesus, can you at least talk in broad strokes and generalities? Is this the next in line to replace the Aurora?

...are you making this up? If this is so incredibly confidential how come your friends dad told you about it?
It involves controlling a certain electrical weather phenomenon. It involves no physical pieces. I have no idea what the hell they use it for.
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Lightning?
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The government are developing their own X-Men now?



Fuckin hell...
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Chupacabra - I read a year or two ago that the Puerto Rican gov. finally admitted that it was a hoax to attract tourists. The photos you have are just disfigured dogs.
Puerto Rico? I've never heard a thing about Puerto Rico having chupacabra, and I certainly don't think it would increase tourists. I've only heard of chupacabra as a very Mexico/SW United States legend.
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Puerto Rico was where I first heard about the chupacabra.
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Puerto Rico? I've never heard a thing about Puerto Rico having chupacabra, and I certainly don't think it would increase tourists. I've only heard of chupacabra as a very Mexico/SW United States legend.
What are you saying, Billy? That JetManX is making shit up? Well, you know what I say to that? Poppycock. Pure, all natural, vine-ripened poppycock, my friend.

Actually, Puerto Rico is involved, but yeah.
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Poppycock. Pure, all natural, vine-ripened poppycock, my friend.
How about 'Bullshit'?
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It would be cool if this thread were about actual unexplained phenomena, and not MonsterQuest/UFO Hunters/Ghost Hunters level bullshit.
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Puerto Rico? I've never heard a thing about Puerto Rico having chupacabra, and I certainly don't think it would increase tourists. I've only heard of chupacabra as a very Mexico/SW United States legend.

"Come see our country, our culture, and our man eating demon creature that may devour you." If that doesn't create an upsurge in tourism, I don't know what will.
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What kind of stuff you have in mind Jacob?
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Puerto Rico? I've never heard a thing about Puerto Rico having chupacabra, and I certainly don't think it would increase tourists. I've only heard of chupacabra as a very Mexico/SW United States legend.
Yeah I have to be honest JetMan, I've never heard this admission, do you have any kind of link to back up that story?

...and then what were people seeing and what was killing all their livestock in such a strange manner?

...and if it was made up by Puerto Ricos tourism board why have sightings and attacks been reported in so many other places?

...and if the photos I've posted are just 'disfigured dogs' then how come they're all disfigured in the exact same way and how come so many people report, photograph and video so many of them?
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It would be cool if this thread were about actual unexplained phenomena, and not MonsterQuest/UFO Hunters/Ghost Hunters level bullshit.
So contribute something of that nature Jacob, since you want to come in here being so fucking cheery (and sorry I thought Aurora kinda qualified).

Be the change you want to see in the thread - its not my unexplained thread, it's everyones.
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It would be cool if this thread were about actual unexplained phenomena, and not MonsterQuest/UFO Hunters/Ghost Hunters level bullshit.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not anyone else has experienced anything similar to what I described in my earlier post.
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I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not anyone else has experienced anything similar to what I described in my earlier post.
On talking with the dead? I haven't but I find the "claims" interesting enough to read about. I found one recently called The Philip Experiment. Plenty of links if you want to read about it, but basically a group of people in Toronto "created" a ghost and communicated with it until a member of the group said "You know we just made you up, right?" and there were no further manifestations.

I haven't read anything about them in years, but I always found the rolling rocks to be incredibly interesting. Not sure the proper name for it, but they are the rocks in dry areas that roll for miles, and their tracks can be seen but there seems to be no explanation as to why they move.
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On talking with the dead?
No, my post before that on Sensing/Predicting the Future.
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Yeah I have to be honest JetMan, I've never heard this admission, do you have any kind of link to back up that story?

...and then what were people seeing and what was killing all their livestock in such a strange manner?

...and if it was made up by Puerto Ricos tourism board why have sightings and attacks been reported in so many other places?

...and if the photos I've posted are just 'disfigured dogs' then how come they're all disfigured in the exact same way and how come so many people report, photograph and video so many of them?
Because there are a lot of jokers in the world. And they all have the same brilliant idea ... find a dog, and make him up to look like the chupacabra picture that some other joker made.
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How does one 'create' a ghost exactly?
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Because there are a lot of jokers in the world. And they all have the same brilliant idea ... find a dog, and make him up to look like the chupacabra picture that some other joker made.
Well tha animals pictured all have the same teeth, the same ears the same tails and the same body shape, it's hardly like a buncha frat boys are just shaving random dogs.
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So contribute something of that nature Jacob, since you want to come in here being so fucking cheery (and sorry I thought Aurora kinda qualified).

Don't get me wrong, I liked the Aurora bit. There's some documentation on it, and after the stealth program we're much more aware that secret government projects are well-funded and are ongoing right under our noses, yet still kept very secret. No problem with that.

I just don't truck with the supernatural of any variety.
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How does one 'create' a ghost exactly?
Shared belief? Maybe the group gestalt was so strong, they convinced themselves they were seeing something. Kinda like a Ouija board.
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Given the fact that we're finding previously undiscovered species in the rain forests and in the deep ocean, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there's a Bigfoot-like race wandering around somewhere.
Come on. Sure, there are all sorts of deep sea monstrosities we haven't found yet. And as we continue to explore the rain forests, we're going to find new frogs, new beetles, new hummingbirds, probably even a slightly different breed of snake of rhesus monkey. But man-sized apes or missing links? I think we'd have found more evidence of those if they were there. One things is for sure, they definitely aren't hiding in Michigan or Oregon or any other long-settled areas where the American sightings supposedly occur.

I'll leave you guys to your fun, but just try to remind yourself periodically that no matter how entertaining his stories might be, JetmanX is completely full of shit.
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I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not anyone else has experienced anything similar to what I described in my earlier post.
Sometimes a surprising event will take place, and I'll have a memory of knowing about it, but I'll tell myself that memory is bullshit. Either my brain feels this stuff all the time and only remembers the few predictions that pan out, or it waits until something happens and then tells itself it knew all along.

Or it did know because it subconsciously picked up clues from the situation. Something smells/sounds different on the street, and though I don't know there's an accident around the corner, I still get a feeling and avoid it. Someone plans to surprise me but his body language is off and I get the idea that he's planning something, though I don't know where the idea came from.

So yeah, I get all kinds of hunches and feelings - we all do - but they'd need to pass a thousand more tests before I thought of them as "unexplained" in an interesting way. Maybe you're talking about stronger superpowers, though, in which case you probably won't be able to get the rest of us to understand. Sorry. (No, seriously, sorry, I know I'm being a bit dickish in here, but, like Singer, I think this thread could be good if we work hard enough to weed out the bad stuff.)
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Don't get me wrong, I liked the Aurora bit. There's some documentation on it, and after the stealth program we're much more aware that secret government projects are well-funded and are ongoing right under our noses, yet still kept very secret. No problem with that.

I just don't truck with the supernatural of any variety.
Does the search and idea of undiscovered animal species fall under 'supernatural' in your opinion Jacob? Sure a lot of it probably is bullshit, but as Richard said earler we are still discovering new species of animal even in the 21st Century...

...and saying 'I think it's mostly bullshit' in regards to supernatural stuff is one thing, but not 'trucking with it'? That almost sounds actively hostile to the idea - why so close minded?

Im not necassarily a 'believer' per se, but I keep an open mind cause I freely admit that I and we as a society, don't know or understand everything around us.

...and what unexplained stuff interests you?
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Sometimes a surprising event will take place, and I'll have a memory of knowing about it, but I'll tell myself that memory is bullshit. Either my brain feels this stuff all the time and only remembers the few predictions that pan out, or it waits until something happens and then tells itself it knew all along.

Or it did know because it subconsciously picked up clues from the situation. Something smells/sounds different on the street, and though I don't know there's an accident around the corner, I still get a feeling and avoid it. Someone plans to surprise me but his body language is off and I get the idea that he's planning something, though I don't know where the idea came from.

So yeah, I get all kinds of hunches and feelings - we all do - but they'd need to pass a thousand more tests before I thought of them as "unexplained" in an interesting way. Maybe you're talking about stronger superpowers, though, in which case you probably won't be able to get the rest of us to understand. Sorry. (No, seriously, sorry, I know I'm being a bit dickish in here, but, like Singer, I think this thread could be good if we work hard enough to weed out the bad stuff.)
That's very valid reasoning for most of it, but it really doesn't explain to me about how I KNOW that I'm going to win a prize. I kid you not, I KNOW it beforehand, even if it's a random event like pulling a name out of a hat.

Big example: We were fishing up in Canada as part of a tournament. There had to be about 60 different people who were vying for the outboard motor that was being given away. The owner of the Lodge was walking up to the bin to draw a name and I just KNEW that I was going to win. I looked right at my brother and told him that I knew that I was going to win and he laughed. He wasn't laughing when my name was drawn.

I've had this happen 4 other times that I can think of offhand.
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I think this thread could be good if we work hard enough to weed out the bad stuff.)
...but Kimbell who gets to decide whats 'bad stuff' and what isn't?
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I'm sure I'm not the only dinosaur enthusiast who's spent more than a little time reading up on these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokele-mbembe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emela-ntouka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbielu-Mbielu-Mbielu

I was introduced to the idea of Mokele mbembe through a video I watched when I was a kid that featured Herman Regusters and his recording of the animal's "call". Although I don't really believe that it's real it's certainly an intriguing story.
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Well tha animals pictured all have the same teeth, the same ears the same tails and the same body shape, it's hardly like a buncha frat boys are just shaving random dogs.
Of course they aren't shaving RANDOM dogs. They are shaving ones that will look like the shaved dogs they've already seen photographs of.
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It is, unfortunately it was done a terrilble disservice by Baby: Secret Of The Lost Legend.

That film was cheap and awful.
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No, my post before that on Sensing/Predicting the Future.
Ah, totally missed that post.

I think everyone has had some sense of prediction in their life, and I don't think anyone is going to argue feeling some Deva vu. I've had circumstances where I felt or knew something bad was going to happen, and moved in to avoid or change the circumstances, but I don't know if I can consider it predicting the future, rather than just a gut feeling.

The most poignant experience with this was driving with a friend of mine. We had just dropped someone off, and I was in the back seat, and the passenger seat up front was empty since we just dropped that person off. I thought something was very wrong not having someone in the front passenger seat, so I climbed over the console into the front seat, and just after I sat down a car came flying into our lane. The driver took their hands off the wheel in panic, and I grabbed the wheel and pulled us out of the lane. I probably saved the lives of myself, the people in my car, and the people in the other car.

Did I see the future? No, but I knew there was something wrong and I needed to be in that front seat. I'm not the type to play Chinese fire drill, let alone climb around in a car while doing 50mph down the highway.
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It is, unfortunately it was done a terrilble disservice by Baby: Secret Of The Lost Legend.

That film was cheap and awful.
Last time I brought Mokele Membe up I mentioned that it'd make a great movie and somebody pointed out Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend. That was actually mentioned in the tape that I watched and they showed clips. I wanted to see it but I was probably about four years old and since two people made the bedroom bam bam in the movie my mother didn't allow it.
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Undiscovered animal species = science. No problemo. But I think Nessie and Bigfoot have pretty much been ruled out by the evidence, or lack thereof, by now. Undiscovered ape species in very remote locations? Certainly possible, but only anecdotal evidence at this point. I'm sure there are amazing discoveries to made in the future.

I may seem hostile to the supernatural, but only insofar as discussion of the supernatural always seems to intrude on discussions of unknown/little understood science. What we don't know about the brain, for example, could fill volumes, yet we leap to conclusions based on the flimsiest of evidence.
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Last time I brought Mokele Membe up I mentioned that it'd make a great movie and somebody pointed out Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend. That was actually mentioned in the tape that I watched and they showed clips. I wanted to see it but I was probably about four years old and since two people made the bedroom bam bam in the movie my mother didn't allow it.
Honestly, you dodged a bullet.

...and Jacob, honestly thats cool, again tho, what unexplained things have captured your imagination in your time?
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How does one 'create' a ghost exactly?

"I'm sorry...that's classified..."
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Well, again, the human brain is completely fascinating to me (but as the comedian once said, "look who's telling me that"). Dreams remain to be largely a mystery, and as someone who has constant, vivid dreams, I wish I knew more about them.

I'll have to ponder a little more about the unexplained. I'm not trying to be a party pooper here, I love ghost stories and weird creatures and local legends as much as anybody.

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Heh.
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