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For those of you interested in UFOs and the resemblance of many Contactee stories to Fairy stories in Medieval times see the work of Jacques Vallee

He is by far the most interesting theorist of unexplained phenomenon
That seems to feed into similair theories I've heard and read about people who's brains are senseitive to electro magnetism who live near hot spots of same suffering a lot more alien abduction like phenomena etc, ie: it really is 'all in their head'.

They're not making it up per se as it feels completely real to them, but this then also feeds into the idea that we just don't know enough about the human brain yet to understand what may be happening.

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The stories of El Chupacabra that I've read have it being a blood drinking beast with wings, a horrible stench and the ability to hypnotize people who see it (no to mention the goats that they prey on!). A dog with mange just don't cut it.
Yeah but if we human animals are famous for anything its hyperobole, exageration and myth making. We also see a lot of extra embelished stuff when our brains are under stress - 'fight or flight' certianly seems to taint perception. If we're talking about a variety of canine thats not necassarily been indentified before that may even have unique ways of feeding on it's prey and thus, local livestock, then I can see this myth-building growing up around it pretty quickly. Especially in communities that may still have superstitious ideas about demons and devils.


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My father was in the Navy and he also told me that the weapons we are aware of like the Stealth fighter are the tip of the iceberg . I mean look how public those planes are (hell I've got photos of them from Air Shows!).

That story about extensive underground bases in Puerto Rico is really interesting because a lot of UFO buffs claim that UFOs have a base underneath a bay in Puerto Rico as well. I suspect the US Military has gotten a lot of mileage out of UFOs over the years.
I hate to say it considering the Mulderesque lad I was at one time, but I feel you may be right on that one.

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Oh and for unexplained events you can't the Tunguska event in Siberia
Eh, to be honest that always struck me as a good old fashioned meteor impact, or maybe fragments of a comet personally.

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I hate how the History Channel is now nothing but Monster Quest and UFO Hunters...where the hell is all the cool WW2 stuff?!
It's funny you should say that MBN, cause down here in Oz I have often remarked that our cable History Channel seems to play nothing BUT WW2 stuff.
post #102 of 957
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That story about extensive underground bases in Puerto Rico is really interesting because a lot of UFO buffs claim that UFOs have a base underneath a bay in Puerto Rico as well. I suspect the US Military has gotten a lot of mileage out of UFOs over the years.
Yeah, we got our own little Area 51 up in El Yunque, the rainforest we have here.
There are area that are strictly forbidden from people entering, and rumor is that an expansive underground tunnel system runs form the Naval Station to an area of the rainforest. Tons of UFO sightings over the peaks of the rainforest have been recorded over the years, and people disappear like M&Ms from a fat man's hand all the time. My uncle never said anything about that, but my friend's dad was based at the Naval Station for a while (and in Hawaii, too) and he told my friend that the rumors of tunnels connection the base to parts of PR were true.
post #103 of 957
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It would be cool if this thread were about actual unexplained phenomena, and not MonsterQuest/UFO Hunters/Ghost Hunters level bullshit.
This renders the Big Bang theory archaic:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ark-flows.html

This new theory attempts to explain:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-hologram.html
post #104 of 957
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It flew fast like a jet, made a whirling sound and left an odd glow.

That's how an amateur photographer described a flying machine he spotted in the skies near Rose Hill on Friday. The UFO world is now paying attention to his photograph.

On Monday, the photo appeared under the headline "Weird Object in Wichita," on UFO Digest, a Canadian Web site.

The object looks like some kind of new-technology fighter jet, possibly a prototype, said UFO Digest editor and publisher Dirk Vander Ploeg.

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So it can fly as well, huh?

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That looks a hell of a lot like the 747 piggy-backing the space shuttle.

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Yeah I thought something similair to be honest Richard, but I don't know how it works in the states - don't those sort of things need to be scheduled and made public?
post #108 of 957
Who's to say he took that photo on Friday?

Could be a secret military shuttle. Talk to Toby Ziegler.
post #109 of 957
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This renders the Big Bang theory archaic:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ark-flows.html
God damn, I love science. I really do.
post #110 of 957
LONG POST AHOY! Way back in the mists of time...say, the early 2000's...I think I made a thread like this. Glad to see another one pop up. I've been meaning to post in it for days, but never got the time to finish typing up this thing.

Here's my deal: I'm a hardcore skeptic. My "Bibles" are Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" and Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things". I really think that there is a non-supernatural explanation for basically everything, and that we (or our possible AI progeny) will one day have a complete understanding of the universe and its inner workings. I'm a strict materialist - "stuff" is all there is. No souls, ghosts, gods, angels, demons, etc.

I classify UFO sightings/Alien visitations outside of the paranormal. Nothing supernatural is required for these things to be real.

There's also Clarke's famous quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." It is impossible, given our current understanding of physics, for a craft to move at anything approaching the speed of light, let alone surpassing it, or traveling between dimensions, or via some exotic means that we can't even grasp. But there is a teeny, tiny, infinitesimal bit of wiggle room, so I can't completely discount the idea that *something* is going on.

That said, I really do believe that the vast, VAST majority of UFO/Alien stories can be readily explained or debunked. Most are probably normal aircraft or classified military stuff or hoaxes. I also suspect there's something about the human brain that we just don't grasp yet, some artifact of our evolution that causes such experiences, or environmental effects like slight carbon monoxide poisoning, but...

All of that is preamble to some stories I'm about to give you from me and my family, so you understand where I'm coming from and realize that I haven't made up my mind one way or the other about these particular incidents.

First, we'll start with my dad. He's had weird things happen to him dating back to his childhood.

Incident #1:
He's 7 or 8 years old. It's the late 1950's, and he's playing in his backyard sandbox outside of Detroit, Michigan. He suddenly hears an incredibly loud, low humming noise. He looks up, and sees passing maybe 50 feet above him (his estimate), a large, multicolored, glowing sort of hypercube thing. He uses hypercube to describe it because it seemed to be made of multiple polygonal shapes that were shifting and rotating as it hummed through the air. It just passed over him and disappeared over the horizon of suburban rooftops.

Incident #2:
He's about 10 or 12 years old. He goes with his parents, brother, and sister for a camping trip on the shores of Lake Superior. Two odd things will happen on this trip, only one of which will seem odd until 30 or so years later. First, he standing at the edge of the lake with his mom and dad, fishing. There's a flash, and something streaks over the lake and disappears over the horizon. My grandpa is startled, and says, "What the hell was that? Did you guys see that?" Everyone confirms that they saw the same thing. They are shaken, a bit, but mostly curious.

Incident #3 (plus my personal connection):
The same camping trip as above. Everyone remembers a group of deer coming really close to their campsite and hanging out for a long time. They all described it as being pretty weird that they got to see so many deer up close and that they seemed to be completely unafraid of humans. Years later, when my dad reads "Communion", he will come across the moment where Whitley Strieber remembers being unnerved by owls looking into his cabin windows at night. In the book, this is revealed to be a memory block...he remembers owls instead of Grays. Hypnosis allows him to break through this screen memory and to recall the "true" events of his abduction. This will send a chill of recognition/fear down my dad's spine as he recalls the deer incident for the first time in decades. When my dad tells me this, I get my own deep chill as I remember a recurring nightmare I had as a child of a group of monkeys coming into my room and right up to my bedside. The nightmares caused me to sleep under the covers, smashed up against the wall, for months. I had trouble sleeping again for weeks after my dad told me all of this. Neither one of us likes to think about it much, but neither of us really thinks we were abducted. And I have to say that I think "Communion" is bullshit and Strieber is insane, but the freakout factor at the time of our "realization" cannot be overstated.

Incident #4:
He's in his early twenties or late teens, working for an irrigation company installing sprinkler systems as a summer job. He's returning as night falls from a job site out in the country, driving down a lightless, tree-lined 2-lane road. He's alone, driving a POS 1950's pickup truck with a bad electrical system. He has to turn the lights off frequently so that the truck doesn't die. Everything plunges into inky darkness every time he does this, and he has do drive, slowly, with no lights down a spooky road for miles at a time. Suddenly, as if from a megaphone from hovering helicopter directly overhead, he hears a booming voice say "TURN ON YOUR LIGHTS!" After recovering from the initial startle, he immediately sticks his head out the window and looks up. Nothing. No sound, no helicopter, just black, empty sky. Shaken, he turns on his lights and returns to the shop without further incident.

I suspect that this incident - which alternately creeps me out and makes me laugh - was just fatigue, hallucination, and paranoia from my dad's pot-smoking hippy ways. But taken in context with his childhood stuff, it deserves inclusion here.

Incident #5:
I will have to talk to my dad later to get the details - this is one of those stories that is fourth or fifth hand hearsay, so it's hard to know what the real details are or what to make of it. Back in the early 1970's, my dad had a friend/business associate who claimed that his uncle/grandfather/somebody in his family was a high-ranking military official at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and that in the 1960's this person confided in his nephew/grandson/whatever that he had seen the Roswell bodies and craft pieces when they were transferred there.

As for me, the only things I have had happen are more easily dismissed.
-The monkey dreams mentioned above. Still don't like thinking too deeply about this one.
-Frequent, unexplained nosebleeds at night (and during the middle of the day) during junior high and high school. I would wake up with a blood-soaked pillow at least every 6 weeks or so. Allergies?
-Woke up once to extremely bright light shining through bedroom blinds, light moved away before I could peek out of the blinds. I lived on the third floor of an apartment building, so it was probably either reflected headlights or a police helicopter, but I didn't hear anything...at all.
-One "nightmare" about 10 years ago where I "woke up" to see a Gray standing right next to my bed, staring at me. I remember trying to - unsuccessfully - scream, then waking up screaming for real.

Congratulations if you made it through all of that. Hope I managed to creep somebody out at least a little bit. Again, I think it's all probably got mundane explanations. It's fun to speculate though.
post #111 of 957
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Incident #2:
He's about 10 or 12 years old. He goes with his parents, brother, and sister for a camping trip on the shores of Lake Superior. Two odd things will happen on this trip, only one of which will seem odd until 30 or so years later. First, he standing at the edge of the lake with his mom and dad, fishing. There's a flash, and something streaks over the lake and disappears over the horizon. My grandpa is startled, and says, "What the hell was that? Did you guys see that?" Everyone confirms that they saw the same thing. They are shaken, a bit, but mostly curious.
I had a similar experience while camping. My best friend, his cousin, and myself rode our bikes at three AM around the park. We had wimpy flashlights duct taped to our handle bars. Other than that little beam, we could see NOTHING in the darkness. The sky was filled with stars, almost like TV static, the usually sight when you get far away from the city. Suddenly, the ground lights up green from something passing by overhead. My friend's Cousin and I look up in time to see this massive flaming green object plummet through the sky for about a second. It wasn't just a shooting star. It had definite shape and weight to it. Around this time I was in my college astronomy class. I explained the event to my teacher. She said it was a bollide.

I'm still 100% skeptical of abduction experiences. Too many weird phenomenon occur in the brain. I heard on an HBO special that Near-Death Experiences can be simulated by electrically stimulating a certain nerve(s) in our brain.

Of course I'm not dismissing your dad's story. My dad has his own paranormal college story.
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http://www.origin.popularmechanics.c...e/4304170.html
Fresh Popular Mechanics article, Mar. 2009, nicely rounding up the most current tidbits of UFO info.
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Here's a creepy one for you guys. Ever heard of the U.S.S. Watertown tragedy? I'd read about it in a ghost/poltergeist book in the library as a kid:

James Courtney and Michael Meehan, crew members of the S.S. Watertown, were cleaning a cargo tank of the oil tanker as it sailed toward the Panama Canal from New York City in December of 1924. Through a freak accident, the two men were overcome by gas fumes and killed. As was the custom of the time, the sailors were buried at sea off the Mexican coast on December 4. But this was not the last the remaining crew members were to see of their unfortunate shipmates. The next day, before dusk, the first mate reported seeing the faces of the two men in the waves off the port side of the ship. They remained in the water for 10 seconds, then faded. For several days thereafter, the phantom-like faces of the sailors were clearly seen by other members of the crew in the water following the ship. On arrival in New Orleans, the ship's captain, Keith Tracy, reported the strange events to his employers, the Cities Service Company, who suggested he try to photograph the eerie faces. Captain Tracy purchased a camera for the continuing voyage. When the faces again appeared in the water, Captain Tracy took six photos, then locked the camera and film in the ship's safe. When the film was processed by a commercial developer in New York, five of the exposures showed nothing but sea foam. But the sixth showed the ghostly faces of the doomed seamen. The negative was checked for fakery by the Burns Detective Agency. After the ship's crew had been changed, there were no more reports of sightings


Years later when I Googled it online, I found out there actually was a photo published!

Here's another weird ghostly sighting that would have had me packing the next morning.
post #114 of 957
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http://www.origin.popularmechanics.c...e/4304170.html
Fresh Popular Mechanics article, Mar. 2009, nicely rounding up the most current tidbits of UFO info.
My biggest problem with that article is that it claims that Dublin, Texas is the birth-place of Dr. Pepper.
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Here's a creepy one for you guys. Ever heard of the U.S.S. Watertown tragedy?
I've read about it quite a bit, and that photo is fairly famous. It seems to come up in a lot of paranormal books. Interesting story, and photo, but I don' think it's much more.
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My biggest problem with that article is that it claims that Dublin, Texas is the birth-place of Dr. Pepper.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Dr_Pepper
post #117 of 957
Of course even that Wikipedia entry mentions Waco as producing Dr. Pepper six years earlier, but whatever...

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Years later when I Googled it online, I found out there actually was a photo published!
The picture looks similar to this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm, so must be fake!
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Of course even that Wikipedia entry mentions Waco as producing Dr. Pepper six years earlier, but whatever...
Actually the entry says it debuted in Waco. Nothing about it being produced in Waco, but whatever......
post #119 of 957
Dr. Pepper was invented in Waco. It was first shot and served in Waco. It was first called Dr. Pepper in Waco.

Dublin is the oldest plant. And yes, they make the best Dr. Pepper...but they didn't invent it.
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Response to Jacob Singer, pt. 2

I know the psycho-chimp stories will swallow this universe-changing news, but whatever:

An unseen aspect of the cosmos that exists all around us and includes a new force of nature:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...e-shadows.html
post #121 of 957
I don't know anything about the camera, but these ads amused me:

BIGFOOT

NESSIE

UFO
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This thread needs to stay alive!
I wish i had something to add, but at the moment i just love reading the stories and the links, and having the shit scared out of me.
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Mysterious figure ‘spotted’

WTF. "What's Taters, Precious?" indeed.



DEBUNKED!
post #124 of 957
That Cryptomundo site just told me there is a Bigfoot expo in Keating, Ohio this weekend. Last year over 425 people attended. I'm so excited.
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I had not heard of the Space Roar! probably Yog-Sothoth or any of Old one crew.


This thread has made me think about the USS Eldridge and the Philadelphia Experiment.

http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChjyCR8V2Bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTyqLTM-Dg

reminds me of something out of the Red Alert games. Regardless of fact, it makes for great fiction, to say the least.
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This thread needs to stay alive!
I wish i had something to add, but at the moment i just love reading the stories and the links, and having the shit scared out of me.
I'd like to think this thread may not move as quickly as the 'Lost' or 'Are Video Games Art?' thread, but it's endurance and perseverance which counts!

I still have my dad's paranormal experience in college in my holster. I was hoping for three bites before I let 'er rip, but alas only Judas Booth has bitten so far...
post #127 of 957
Personally, when you didn't respond to Judas, I just figured you were full of it. But, hell, man, don't hold out on us...
post #128 of 957
My dad went to a Baptist college where they gave him a full four year scholarship. His roommate was a Chinese student named Matt. My dad offered the usual greetings and as they got to know each other, my dad discovered Matt owned a big, thick, black Satanic bible, written completely in Chinese (I don’t know if the Chinese call it a ‘Satanic bible’, but that’s what my dad said it basically was.)

A freshman away from home, my dad naturally grew curious. Matt said my dad could take part in a ritual, if he’d like. Willing, but still cautious, my dad convinced one of his friends, who I’ll just name Peter, to join him. Peter was completely unwilling, but my dad persuaded him.

So, they’re holding hands around this candle in the middle of the night. Matt’s only command is to be still and do not break the circle of hands.
Matt begins chanting, calling spirits, etc. when a loud echoing boom strikes the wall to the next apartment over. My dad said it sounded like a gong, but was clearly a pound, as if by a fist.

Then, a giant invisible snake rubbed my dad’s butt and lower back. He jumped and a second or two later, Peter jumps for the same reason.

That’s it for Peter. He jumps away from the circle and leaves. Matt’s pissed because that was the one command broken.

Matt had to do some kind of spirit-pacifying ritual after this. He told my dad there will be one more sign at exactly four in the morning. If that sign occurs, all is well.

My dad lays down in his bed and instantly falls asleep. He suddenly wakes up, completely wide awake. He looks at his clock and it’s four in the morning exactly. A little light appears in the center of the room, floats to the window, goes through it, and vanishes a couple of feet outside. My dad thinks “That’s it?” and goes to sleep.

All this sounds so silly now that I read it, but like most paranormal encounters, you have to be there. I know a guy who saw a black shadow with glowing red eyes. It sounds ludicrous, eye-rolling, and yet it scares the shit out of him.

That said, here’s the end of the tale: My dad and Peter want to know what the pounding was, so have the building janitor open the room. It’s completely empty and all the furniture is covered in layers and layers of dust.
post #129 of 957
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I still have my dad's paranormal experience in college in my holster.
Well bring it! (EDIT: I see you did already...)


And I certainly agree with most here, that abduction phenomena is explainable, most likely by sleep disorders/unknown brain issues. I've never had an abduction experience (and I hope my brain never does), but I often have very weird experiences that seem entirely convincing in sleep/waking states.
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Near-death experiences are what really bug me. On HBO there was a documentary a couple of years ago (2003 - 2006?) in which a European neurologist discovered a nerve in the center of the brain. When stimulated by electricity, this gives the test subject a 'God experience', very similar to reported near-death experiences.

I've looked for this thing I don't know how many times using the internet. Similar results come up, but they all miss the mark and I can't find the name of the nerve or the neurologist.

One of the testimonials on this documentary came from an atheist American sheriff. The look of confusioin on his face was clear. He didn't believe in God, knew exactly what the procedure was which had induced the experience, and yet believed in its validity without a doubt.
post #131 of 957
I watched a similar documentary that covered the the sense of "religious meaning" (among several other neurological subjects), with the main case concerning a man who had suffered head trauma during a motorcycle accident, and afterwards developed a very serious sense of "meaning" to the world. Everything in his life, from making a sandwich to watching the sunset, suddenly had a deep, profound meaning. It was actually fairly debilitating -- his father had to care for him and became understandably frustrated with his son constantly pointing out to him how important everything was.

Some of the other cases included a completely blind man who could still somehow visually detect horizontal movement (he literally couldn't see, but could tell you if an object had moved horizontally in front of him), as well as a case about that affliction where people can't retain any short term memory.
post #132 of 957
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I had not heard of the Space Roar! probably Yog-Sothoth or any of Old one crew.


This thread has made me think about the USS Eldridge and the Philadelphia Experiment.

http://www.crystalinks.com/phila.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChjyCR8V2Bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTyqLTM-Dg

reminds me of something out of the Red Alert games. Regardless of fact, it makes for great fiction, to say the least.
I know this has mostly been debunked as crap, but dammit, the world would be such a much cooler place if this had actually happened. I'm surprised there hasn't been any alternate history fiction where the experiment actually happened and worked as intended. Come on Turteldove, you goddamn slacker.
post #133 of 957
I don't believe any of this stuff, but I love it because even if it's entirely fictitious it can still be creepy as hell. That BEK link was great, so was the Valentich Disappearance.

This link is 100% bullshit. It's fiction, and amateur fiction. But I have to admit, I've always found this story really, really creepy, and even if it doesn't qualified as something really unexplained, I thought it was worth sharing:

Ted The Caver: http://www.angelfire.com/trek/caver/index.html
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I don't believe any of this stuff, but I love it because even if it's entirely fictitious it can still be creepy as hell.

Completely agree. It's one thing being intellectually honest and rational, but sometimes ya just gotta let that lizard brain take over for a while.

And thanks for that caver link, hadn't seen that one in a while.
post #135 of 957
So Jetman's story is that one time his dad held hands with a Chinese guy while someone rubbed their dick on his back. Now that's creepy.
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Is this the right place to discuss Jack the Ripper or should that go in a separate thread?
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Is this the right place to discuss Jack the Ripper or should that go in a separate thread?
Last time I checked, the Whitechapel Murders hadn't been solved.

(also, I love discussing the Jack the Ripper mystery... mostly to rip on Patricia Cornwell)
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I watched a similar documentary that covered the the sense of "religious meaning" (among several other neurological subjects), with the main case concerning a man who had suffered head trauma during a motorcycle accident, and afterwards developed a very serious sense of "meaning" to the world.

The Gary Busey Story?
post #139 of 957
Behold the terrifying tale of the giant basement shrimp!

http://www.strangemag.com/firstperson.html
post #140 of 957
I'm a skeptic about everything, but I think I might possess Spider-Sense.
post #141 of 957
Sorta explainable (there are theories for the causes), but here's my account from the old Sleep Paralysis thread:

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Had this happen to me in March (staying at a friend's beach-house in Bonita Springs, FL). I was laying next to my wife, our daughter in the crib in the room with us. I woke up on my side, facing my wife, and I could swear I felt a form pushing down on my "upper" shoulder. I was afraid to look (and unable to move), but managed to see in my peripherals... a young boy. I could not see it's face, because it wasn't facing me, but for some reason I could picture/imagine it in my mind. A ghostly hollow "Evil Dead" face. I couldn't budge or make a sound. I managed to snap out of it and move, but let me tell you, I had a TON of trouble getting back to sleep that night. I was spooked the rest of the weekend. I've never had as much trouble with any nightmare in my life like that f**ked up instance.
Info on the phenomena: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

EDIT: Yeah, haha, "young boy on top of DARKMITE8" jokes.
post #142 of 957
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The Gary Busey Story?
HA HA, I was thinking the exact same thing.

Also, about the Philadelphia Experiment, it's hard to believe they would abandon the project after getting such fantastic results! ... but still, I never really knew most of the crew of the ship in question debunked the story. Makes it even less believable.
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Last time I checked, the Whitechapel Murders hadn't been solved.

(also, I love discussing the Jack the Ripper mystery... mostly to rip on Patricia Cornwell)
I only asked because I'm obsessed with this at the moment. I'm reading a very interesting yet frustrating book that has several different "Ripperologists" and people who have at one time or another been involved with the case put forward their theories about what exactly happened, what was Ripper canon and who may have carried out the murders and why. Fascinating stuff, and I just wondered if anyone in here knew much about the case and wanted to discuss theories as to who they think the Ripper was.

I have my own ideas, but I'll wait to see if anyone else is interested ebfore getting into it.
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Thread Starter 
James Maybrick IMO



I was fascinated with the Witechapel murders far too early for a lad with the sort of over-active imagination I had. I got into it around 1988, the murders centenary.They still hold a magnetic fascination for me.
post #145 of 957
Solid info on the Zodiac Killer at http://www.zodiackiller.com/index2.html if that floats your boat. Some of the amateur Zodiac "investigators" are a bit creepy in how seriously they take themselves, but it is a pretty fascinating case.
post #146 of 957
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I'm reading a very interesting yet frustrating book that has several different "Ripperologists" and people who have at one time or another been involved with the case put forward their theories about what exactly happened, what was Ripper canon and who may have carried out the murders and why.
"The Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper"? I have that sitting on my bookshelf at the moment, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Have you read Sugden's "The Complete History of Jack the Ripper"? In my humble and amateur opinion, it's the best work on the subject.
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I have my own ideas, but I'll wait to see if anyone else is interested ebfore getting into it.
By all means, start a thread. I'll be there.

Rain Dog, Maybrick? Really? May I ask why?
post #147 of 957
Last I heard, there was a hairdresser who was a likely suspect. However, FBI profilers debunked this theory. Though the hairdresser had a violent criminal past, these FBI profilers claimed that it's a giant leap to go from beating people up to slowly, methodically eviscerating them. The two psychological threads leading to these ends are different.

Their idea was that Jack was a Polish-Jew. There were three who had the right background (arrests and stays in mental institutions) and were in Whitechapel at the right time. The problem is the records. Just as America labeled most immigrants "Smith", England named most foreign Jews some catch-all name, making it almost impossible to follow these three men, if there are even three. It might just be one.

All this came from the FBI profiler's book where they visited famous cases from the past. I'll try to find the title...

EDIT: Cases That Haunt Us: From Jack the Ripper to Jonbenet Ramsey, the FBI's Legendary Mindhunter Unravels the Mysteries by John E. Douglas
post #148 of 957
From Bruce Sterling's Twitter yesterday comes this amazing story on the Fortean Times website:
What really happened to Russia's missing cosmonauts? An incredible tale of space hacking, espionage and death in the lonely reaches of space.
post #149 of 957
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Originally Posted by JetManX View Post
Last I heard, there was a hairdresser who was a likely suspect.
Are you talking about George Chapman (Severin Klosowski)?
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I think so. I hadn't heard about he background in medicine, someting everyone agrees Jack had.

"Chapman had a regular job, as did the Ripper (since the murders all occured on weekends)."


It's amazing how many time things like this trip up criminals. It's like Chappelle's joke that he knew the DC Sniper was black because he didn't kill on weekends. "If it had been a white person, he would've been up early killing everyday."

I wonder how Chapma a.k.a. Klosowski connects with the letters? It doesn't seem like this article mentions it. According to Douglas, the 'From Hell letter' was legit, while the others were proved to be a journalist.

I'm not claiming Douglas had the definitive answer, BTW, but his case was compelling. As a profiler, he looks for "thought prints". Though a murderer can hide fingerprints with gloves, they can't hide motivation, neuroses, vengeance, issues, self-pity, etc.
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