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Jeph Loeb: Good Writer or Bad Writer?

Poll Results: Jeph Loeb: Good or Bad?

 
  • 11% (4)
    Good!
  • 88% (31)
    Bad!
  • 0% (0)
    I love Heroes!
35 Total Votes  
post #1 of 35
2/5/09 at 11:40pm
Thread Starter 
MikeShaynePI came up with this thread idea, so credit to him.

So, I thought this was a good idea for a thread because I'm actually very interested in what people think about this subject.

Here's a poll*!




Swipe inviso-text below for spoilers!
*That's what she said.
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post #2 of 35
2/5/09 at 11:52pm
After a good kick by Millar Loeb fucked up Ultimates with the III series. There's no way to describe how bad it is.
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post #3 of 35
2/6/09 at 12:16am
Ultimates III was like having someone shit directly into your eyes.
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post #4 of 35
2/6/09 at 12:19am
Incest is best when it's between two poorly written Eastern European mutants.
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post #5 of 35
2/6/09 at 12:23am
Alternate: Ultimates III was like being skull fucked by a cock made of razor blades covered in dog semen and junkie vomit.
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post #6 of 35
2/6/09 at 12:26am
Roy Thomas called. He wants his fan-fic back.
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post #7 of 35
2/6/09 at 4:06am
Horrible writer. THE LONG HALLOWEEN is one of the worst things I've read in my life.

Yay, a mystery plot with clues that contradict each other so you have no way to solve it! And no human drama or action scenes to compensate! Why does that comic even exist?
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post #8 of 35
2/6/09 at 4:15am
Horrible, horrible, horrible fuckin' writer. Just amazingly shitty on so many levels.
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post #9 of 35
2/6/09 at 9:26am
I'd love to see someone try to debate the other side of this, but only because I've always wanted a legit excuse to engage in a good old-fashioned stoning.

And The Long Halloween is ass on a cracker.
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post #10 of 35
2/6/09 at 9:57am
I liked The Long Halloween okay until the end where, as has been mentioned, any "clues" that were given throughout the series were completely negated by the idiotic last issue.

But outside of that Loeb really sucks.

ETA: I haven't read it since it first came out in serialized form ten years ago. So it may be even shittier than I remember.
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post #11 of 35
2/6/09 at 9:58am
Who the hell's the one guy that voted "good"?
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post #12 of 35
2/6/09 at 10:03am
I was wondering the same thing. Fleed?
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post #13 of 35
2/6/09 at 12:57pm
Supremo.
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post #14 of 35
2/6/09 at 1:18pm
Thought the "color" books were OK, but mostly for the art. Never read anything else of his that I've enjoyed at all.
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post #15 of 35
2/6/09 at 1:21pm
I read Long Halloween so long ago I don't remember it. Checked out Superman: For All Seasons when I saw it at the library, and I wasn't too impressed.
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post #16 of 35
2/6/09 at 1:24pm
I didn't read Ultimates III. I recall liking his short-form miniseries enough, but maybe it was just Tim Sale riffing on Kirby (Hulk: Gray), Romita (Spider-Man: Blue), and Technicolor (Catwoman: When In Rome) that was doing it for me.
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post #17 of 35
2/6/09 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
I didn't read Ultimates III. I recall liking his short-form miniseries enough, but maybe it was just Tim Sale riffing on Kirby (Hulk: Gray), Romita (Spider-Man: Blue), and Technicolor (Catwoman: When In Rome) that was doing it for me.
I agree that the work of his is I've read is dramatically elevated by the art of his collaborators.
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post #18 of 35
2/6/09 at 2:52pm
I'm a fan of Superman: For All Seasons.

Other than that, I'm no fan at all.
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post #19 of 35
2/6/09 at 3:38pm
Hmmm.

Jeph Loeb before his son died = Some talent, not tooooo bad writer.

Jeph Loeb after son died = Seems like he's purposely trying to write comics he thinks his son would've liked to read. His son was below the age of 10 though I think right? Which is good for kids but not for us.
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post #20 of 35
2/6/09 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Hmmm.

Jeph Loeb before his son died = Some talent, not tooooo bad writer.

Jeph Loeb after son died = Seems like he's purposely trying to write comics he thinks his son would've liked to read. His son was below the age of 10 though I think right? Which is good for kids but not for us.
Sam Loeb was damn near 18 when he died.
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post #21 of 35
2/7/09 at 1:12am
I have to take some of my comments back. I actually really like Superman For All Seasons.

I think it's a nice love letter to the character.
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post #22 of 35
2/8/09 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
Sam Loeb was damn near 18 when he died.
Damn, the picture I saw must've been old then.


Okay well I guess his grief stricken self just writes like crap.
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post #23 of 35
2/8/09 at 2:53am
I don't think I've read anything of his that wasn't draw by Sale. That makes up for a lot of crap writing.
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post #24 of 35
2/8/09 at 2:37pm
How am I the ONLY person who voted good? All of his collaborations with Tim Sale are aces, and I'm also a huge fan of The Long Halloween and Hush. You guys are making me feel as delusional as duke fleed in here.
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post #25 of 35
2/8/09 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Hundred View Post
I don't think I've read anything of his that wasn't draw by Sale. That makes up for a lot of crap writing.
That it does.

Joe Mad, however, only reemphasizes how awful the scripting is.
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post #26 of 35
2/9/09 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by Supremo View Post
How am I the ONLY person who voted good? All of his collaborations with Tim Sale are aces, and I'm also a huge fan of The Long Halloween and Hush. You guys are making me feel as delusional as duke fleed in here.
Have you read Ultimates 3? Almost all of his recent output is completely rancid.

I'll defend The Long Halloween as a better than average Batman story and I agree that all his stuff with Sale is worth reading, but something happened that made him cross the line into a realm of utter shit. I don't know if the death of his son completely fucked him up or what, but he's not even approaching competent anymore. His dialogue and plots are just terrible.
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post #27 of 35
2/9/09 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Supremo View Post
How am I the ONLY person who voted good? All of his collaborations with Tim Sale are aces, and I'm also a huge fan of The Long Halloween and Hush. You guys are making me feel as delusional as duke fleed in here.
Because the only middle ground between "bad" and "good" was saying I like Heroes, and that made me think of Heroes, and that made me hate him.
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post #28 of 35
2/9/09 at 2:06pm
I actually haven't read any of his recent stuff, so maybe that's what I'm missing out on. I did find a lot of his work on Superman/Batman to be completely incomprehensible, so if all of his writing is now like that I'd definitely change my tune.
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post #29 of 35
2/9/09 at 2:33pm
For the life of me I can't figure out why people like HUSH, I just can't fucking do it.
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post #30 of 35
2/9/09 at 2:38pm
That credit probably rests mainly on Jim Lee's art.
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post #31 of 35
2/9/09 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Freeze View Post
That credit probably rests mainly on Jim Lee's art.
Again, just like Jacknife Johnny, I also can't figure out why people liked Hush.
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post #32 of 35
2/9/09 at 3:25pm
My vote was based on the giant half-Superman/half-Batman robot.
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post #33 of 35
2/9/09 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
Again, just like Jacknife Johnny, I also can't figure out why people liked Hush.
Yeah I getcha ... art appreciation is largely subjective. But Jim Lee definitely has mass appeal that has endured from the 90's ... moreso than his other Image counterparts.
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post #34 of 35
2/9/09 at 9:43pm
Thread Starter 
The Long Halloween is an average Batman book that is elevated by Tim Sale. Dark Victory corrects a lot of what TLH does, but just misses. Daredevil: Yellow and Spider-Man: Blue are books I revisit often because I genuinely believe Loeb nailed the emotional punch these characters can have for a reader. Anything that he's done minus Sale I skip, and Hush is horrible.

That's the way I look at it.
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post #35 of 35
2/9/09 at 9:49pm
I forgot that Superman/Batman was his. That Supergirl story filled me with some fanboy rage. Truly awful writing, and art, and editing, just shit all around.
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