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post #351 of 384
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

 

Wasn't there a comedown in the catalog of releases from VHS to DVD to blu-ray?

My sense was that blu-ray actually saw an increase over DVD, just because the re-mastering for blu didn't need to be as intense. It's pretty much you scan your negative, you encode it at 24fps and you'll get something that the average joe will think looks great. DVD had to have two different framerate encodes for PAL and NTSC, which also led to fuckery with the audio to retain sync, and post-scan clean up was more work due to artifacting and aliasing from the severity of the resolution drop.

 

Everything went on to VHS because it was all being mastered for tape for broadcast in the first place.

post #352 of 384

I think, there will be nothing past 4K, not because they can't make the panels. They can and will go to 8K panels, but for the home user it's impractical. You'd struggle to get any material that supports the native resolution. Even at 4K, it's a struggle. Super high bandwidth streams (pretty compressed BTW), movies on drives. 4K is about 100GB per hour. So for 8K you are looking at 1TB for each movie. WTF? So I can see 8K panels being used in computer applications, desktop publishing and CAD stations etc. but beyond that, I don't think it's practical. I'm looking at a new TV for myself now and the only reason I'm even considering 4K is that I want to go about 65-70 inches, and that's pretty much all you can buy. 

post #353 of 384

Bought a new one of the same model from Best Buy: no crosstalk that I can see. Returned the one from Fry's.

 

My advice: don't buy your TVs from Fry's, guys. Though if you really want to, I can attest that the open box LG OLED55C6P at the Burbank Fry's has a flawless 2D picture (to my eyes, anyway) if you really want an OLED for cheap (though it might still be cheaper to get a new one from Best Buy, since they're 1799 in-store right now).

 

[edit]After watching Guardians of the Galaxy: Yeah, night and day difference from the other one. I'm kind of angry at myself for almost thinking that the way it was was acceptable.


Edited by Fafhrd - 2/4/17 at 8:45pm
post #354 of 384

If you have a Vizio TV connected to the internet...

 

watch out!

 

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2017/02/what-vizio-was-doing-behind-tv-screen

post #355 of 384
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post

 

My advice: don't buy your TVs from Fry's, guys. Though if you really want to, I can attest that the open box LG OLED55C6P at the Burbank Fry's has a flawless 2D picture (to my eyes, anyway) if you really want an OLED for cheap (though it might still be cheaper to get a new one from Best Buy, since they're 1799 in-store right now).

 

Fucking Fry's.  Their employee commission policies have created a breeding ground of scum and villainy.  Among my poor experiences:

 

1.)Sales people arguing over who gets to "ring me up" and get the commission, as I was purchasing big ticket items from different departments (they eventually asked me to pay in two separate transactions, which I didn't mind because one was business and one was for home).  It was pretty awkward.  

 

2.)I had to return a very expensive printer as it turned out to be a piece of shit in every way possible and the recommendation from the sales person was inappropriate.  They first tried everything possible to disallow the return, even though it had been less than one week.  They opened up all the packaging to try to claim that it wasn't all there or the item was damaged.  Laughs on them, I hadn't even bothered unwrapping anything but the printer itself.  They then called over THE SALESPERSON WHO HAD SOLD ME THE PRINTER AND HE TRIED TO TALK ME OUT OF RETURNING IT.  I'm like, "fuck you," this is an office workhorse printer and it has a 100 sheet capacity, you straight-up lied to me that it was 500 sheets.  He then sat in line with me, and when I tried to get a refund tried to insist that I was only allowed to get store credit.  Sorry Vishnu, I already purchased a replacement on Amazon.  The guy gave me the stink eye the entire time we waited in line and were at the register.  Literally just looked at me with murder in his face for about five straight minutes.  

 

3.)On what I swore would be my last visit, someone helped me grab some (again, expensive) electronic equipment.  He then refused to give me my cart with the items in them.  Just refused.  Instead he began pushing the cart and following me around the store.  Finally I told him this was ridiculous and I was going to be a while, so he took the cart and went To the registers to guard it and wait for me.   

post #356 of 384
Overlord secretly loves Fry's customer sevice.
post #357 of 384
jesus
post #358 of 384
I went to Fry's a few months ago. Man alive, their DVD/Blu-ray selection is an endangered species now.
post #359 of 384
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Overlord secretly loves Fry's customer sevice.

 

Well, a certain amount of obsequious fawning is appreciated, but I also demand competency.  

post #360 of 384
The one time I worked at any kind of place like that as a salesperson, I was told I was a horrible salesperson and was fired..
post #361 of 384
I like to imagine the convos in the Fry's breakroom...

"Wait, you waited in the returns line with him?"

"Yep. I can't believe you pushed his cart around and then took it upstairs."

"Next time, I'm going to jump on the hood of his car as he leaves the parking lot."
post #362 of 384
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

If you have a Vizio TV connected to the internet...

 

watch out!

 

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2017/02/what-vizio-was-doing-behind-tv-screen


Holy crap, that's devious, especially the IP address part. These tech companies will do anything for a buck.

 

Thankfully my 2012 model was only briefly connected to the internet at my old house, and I never did any firmware updates on it, so I should be safe from having my frickin pixels scanned.

post #363 of 384

Glad I have a non internet TV...just have to worry about my Xbox One...my internet connected Blu Ray player...my streaming box...

 

Yep, Laserdisc it is.

post #364 of 384
I have a 73 inch Mitsubishi DLP from 2010.

It has no ability to connect to the internet.
post #365 of 384
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

I have a 73 inch Mitsubishi DLP from 2010.

It has no ability to connect to the internet.

 

Hey, I had one of those!  Great bang for the buck.  They discontinued it and for a few months before they vanished from shelves you could snag a 73 inch TV for under a grand.  

post #366 of 384

I got mine in July of 2010 for $1400

 

And just yesterday I finally replaced the bulb with a new one from Mitsubishi itself.

 

WHOOO, I'd been using the thing SO dim!  I was surprised it hadn't burnt out during the 6 years.  I used it quite a bit.

post #367 of 384
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

 

Fucking Fry's.  Their employee commission policies have created a breeding ground of scum and villainy.  Among my poor experiences:

 

1.)Sales people arguing over who gets to "ring me up" and get the commission, as I was purchasing big ticket items from different departments (they eventually asked me to pay in two separate transactions, which I didn't mind because one was business and one was for home).  It was pretty awkward.  

 

2.)I had to return a very expensive printer as it turned out to be a piece of shit in every way possible and the recommendation from the sales person was inappropriate.  They first tried everything possible to disallow the return, even though it had been less than one week.  They opened up all the packaging to try to claim that it wasn't all there or the item was damaged.  Laughs on them, I hadn't even bothered unwrapping anything but the printer itself.  They then called over THE SALESPERSON WHO HAD SOLD ME THE PRINTER AND HE TRIED TO TALK ME OUT OF RETURNING IT.  I'm like, "fuck you," this is an office workhorse printer and it has a 100 sheet capacity, you straight-up lied to me that it was 500 sheets.  He then sat in line with me, and when I tried to get a refund tried to insist that I was only allowed to get store credit.  Sorry Vishnu, I already purchased a replacement on Amazon.  The guy gave me the stink eye the entire time we waited in line and were at the register.  Literally just looked at me with murder in his face for about five straight minutes.  

 

3.)On what I swore would be my last visit, someone helped me grab some (again, expensive) electronic equipment.  He then refused to give me my cart with the items in them.  Just refused.  Instead he began pushing the cart and following me around the store.  Finally I told him this was ridiculous and I was going to be a while, so he took the cart and went To the registers to guard it and wait for me.   


I've actually never had any trouble returning stuff at Fry's, but I always come in ready for a fight because of horror stories like this. This was the first (and last) time I'll be buying a TV from them, that's for certain. Back to being the 'I have an immediate need for a PC component' place.

post #368 of 384

We replaced our projector earlier this year, and although the picture is beautiful, it only does input sound, not output sound, which has led us to needing to upgrade our sound system as well. Additionally, our blu-ray player and current surround sound system was second, so we'd like to upgrade everything all at once. We only need to fill about 300 square-feet of space, and we'd favor sturdy and reliable above everything. It seems like going to Bluetooth would solve our problems, as we could run the sound through the Apple TV bluetooth and the picture through the projector via an HDMI cable.

 

Components we want to incorporate are: 

https://www.amazon.com/Epson-EX3240-SVGA-3LCD-Projector/dp/B0119FYARS

and a 4th Gen Apple TV. 

 

I've been looking at: 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-5-1-ch-3d-smart-blu-ray-home-theater-system-black/8417061.p?skuId=8417061
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-bdp-s6700-streaming-4k-upscaling-wi-fi-built-in-blu-ray-player-black/4919700.p?skuId=4919700
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-4-series-500w-5-1-ch-3d-smart-blu-ray-home-theater-system-black/3188027.p?skuId=3188027

I would love people's advice and/or tips. 

post #369 of 384

I would never suggest getting surround sound systems that are incorporated with Blu-ray players (or DVD players for that reason). 95% of the time they do not have digital inputs for any other audio device that can you can even use all the system for, and they generally only allow surround from the player itself.

 

I would consider a HT in a box like this, 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-HTP-074-Channel-Theater-Package/dp/B01JOBIFP2

 

Or at the very least this, which goes against everything I just said, but it at least has one optical input. 

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-5-1-ch-3d-smart-blu-ray-home-theater-system-black/8417061.p?skuId=8417061

post #370 of 384

Thinking of getting an LG 4K Ultra HD Smart OLED flatscreen tv.  The 55", due to spacing issues. 

 

Anyone have any thoughts? Wouldn't mind a second opinion. Kinda want to get it before Mass Effect: Andromeda next week.

post #371 of 384
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post
 

Thinking of getting an LG 4K Ultra HD Smart OLED flatscreen tv.  The 55", due to spacing issues. 

 

Anyone have any thoughts? Wouldn't mind a second opinion. Kinda want to get it before Mass Effect: Andromeda next week.

 

I wouldn't be even slightly jelly if you only got a 55 inch screen for a main viewing room. 

 

Figure out the spacing, spend the money, get at least a 65 inches, or people will make fun of you online (and you'll deserve it)..  The 65 inch OLED has come down rapidly in price and supposedly people have figured out how to tweak/reduce the black crush issue.  If you want to go 75 inches, the Sony 950c/940d series are some of the greatest televisions ever made and Samsung has several phenomenal LEDs. 

post #372 of 384
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post

Thinking of getting an LG 4K Ultra HD Smart OLED flatscreen tv.  The 55", due to spacing issues. 

Anyone have any thoughts? Wouldn't mind a second opinion. Kinda want to get it before Mass Effect: Andromeda next week.

They have a good reputation. I love my 7 year LG plasma so I'm biased towards them.
post #373 of 384

OLED have come down in price but you still are looking at 3000-3500 for a 65 vs. 1000-3000 for LCD. The Sony's look good and Android on them is pretty sweet but they struggle with processing/upconverting and I find them expensive. Samsung's are always pretty good but I struggle with them still being edge lit (even though they advertise as backlit).  Even though they still do some pseudo partial dimming. They sell at a nice price point though, they have a tiny bezel and a nice design. LG is doing good work on LEDLCD and obviously OLED. I don't think I can still justify the price of a OLED just yet and for some reason getting hold of the LCD's, at least the good ones, is not that easy. I'm probably going to end up getting a Vizio P series from Costco in the next couple of weeks. They are not super expensive and have local dimming and fairly decent panels. They have some processing issues, but I have a fairly decent receiver that handles all that anyway. It'll be either the Visio or a Samsung. Just depends what the best deal is on the day, I guess. 

post #374 of 384
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Parker View Post
 

OLED have come down in price but you still are looking at 3000-3500 for a 65 vs. 1000-3000 for LCD. The Sony's look good and Android on them is pretty sweet but they struggle with processing/upconverting and I find them expensive. Samsung's are always pretty good but I struggle with them still being edge lit (even though they advertise as backlit).  Even though they still do some pseudo partial dimming. They sell at a nice price point though, they have a tiny bezel and a nice design. LG is doing good work on LEDLCD and obviously OLED. I don't think I can still justify the price of a OLED just yet and for some reason getting hold of the LCD's, at least the good ones, is not that easy. I'm probably going to end up getting a Vizio P series from Costco in the next couple of weeks. They are not super expensive and have local dimming and fairly decent panels. They have some processing issues, but I have a fairly decent receiver that handles all that anyway. It'll be either the Visio or a Samsung. Just depends what the best deal is on the day, I guess. 

 

I actually have a 65 inch P series in my dining/sorta-a living room.  It's okay.  The smart features are slow and miserable and the PQ is just so-so, but it was big and it was an open box for like 20% the already low costco price.  

post #375 of 384

Yeah, I'm probably going to not use the smart features on any TV too much. Casting just seems like a pain in the arse for everything even though Vizio totes it as the next big thing. I have so many set top devices I've lost count. The processing is holding me back a bit but when I see a 4K image on it, it looks amazing and the local dimming is as close as your going to get to Plasma/OLED for black levels on a LEDLCD. Still on the fence though. 

post #376 of 384
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

 

I wouldn't be even slightly jelly if you only got a 55 inch screen for a main viewing room. 

 

Figure out the spacing, spend the money, get at least a 65 inches, or people will make fun of you online (and you'll deserve it)..  The 65 inch OLED has come down rapidly in price and supposedly people have figured out how to tweak/reduce the black crush issue.  If you want to go 75 inches, the Sony 950c/940d series are some of the greatest televisions ever made and Samsung has several phenomenal LEDs. 


I just can't justify the extra $1,000 to go from 55" to 65". Besides, I'm upgrading from a 42" 2005 Sharp Aquos LCD, so going to the 55" LG OLED will already be a huge upgrade. YUUUGE!

 

Thanks for the input, guys, kinda can't wait to purchase this over the weekend!

post #377 of 384
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post
 


I just can't justify the extra $1,000 to go from 55" to 65". Besides, I'm upgrading from a 42" 2005 Sharp Aquos LCD, so going to the 55" LG OLED will already be a huge upgrade. YUUUGE!

 

 It's going from 2k to 3k for a roughly 41ish% larger screen.   That's a tremendous difference.   

post #378 of 384

So is a thousand bucks! 

post #379 of 384

I know size is not the important factor for you, but you could go larger LCDand actually save a bit of cash, right?

 

I gotta agree with Overlord, I bought a 51 inch a few years back because of certain limitations, but then my circumstances changed and have been waiting to upgrade to bigger since. Most rooms accommodate 65 inch screens pretty easily. At 75 you're pushing it, and 85 inch panels, you really need to have a fairly decent sitting position distance wise. As someone who considered OLED vs LCD and who's has a plasma, I came to conclusion that cost and size was more important that brightness and inky blacks. Plus water fucks them up.. :)

post #380 of 384

Water does what to OLEDs???

post #381 of 384
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Parker View Post
 

I know size is not the important factor for you, but you could go larger LCDand actually save a bit of cash, right?

 

I gotta agree with Overlord, I bought a 51 inch a few years back because of certain limitations, but then my circumstances changed and have been waiting to upgrade to bigger since. Most rooms accommodate 65 inch screens pretty easily. At 75 you're pushing it, and 85 inch panels, you really need to have a fairly decent sitting position distance wise. As someone who considered OLED vs LCD and who's has a plasma, I came to conclusion that cost and size was more important that brightness and inky blacks. Plus water fucks them up.. :)

 

I mean, the difference between 55 and 65 just feels like THE leap in home viewing in terms of immersion.  

 

Size is by far the most important component.  HD/1080p resolution is probably next, then contrast and brightness (particularly HDR/EDR).  4k is pretty far down the list, actually, except for the very largest screens.  

 

I would rather have a 65-75 inch, 1k-1.5k LED with decent specs over a 55 inch OLED every time. 

 

**one other thing, as of the last time I checked OLED televisions were not yet HDR capable (you need something like 1200 nits for the full HDR spectrum).  No one should be in the market for a TV of any appreciable cost and end up buying something that isn't HDR compatible.  HDR is the biggest improvement in television since the jump to HD definition.  HDR is signficantly more beneficial, for example, than going from 1080p to 4k.  

post #382 of 384
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

Water does what to OLEDs???

They use materials that are water soluble and water damages the organics in the panel as well. 

 

No one has a designed a decent sealing method yet. Not a big deal, until the mother in law decides to take a damp cloth to it. Or if you have kids. Jeeeesus. 

post #383 of 384

oh god...

post #384 of 384
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Parker View Post

They use materials that are water soluble and water damages the organics in the panel as well. 

No one has a designed a decent sealing method yet. Not a big deal, until the mother in law decides to take a damp cloth to it. Or if you have kids. Jeeeesus. 
*brings TV back in house*
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