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post #301 of 359
By that point in the movie, the investment in the characters is so strong and the influence that this animal has on these characters so deep, that you overlook whatever disbelief you have of the "realness" of the shark.

Plus the frantic chomping of it and the kicking of Quint trying to scamper away from it still hits a nerve.

Everything he has lived for has brought him to that moment in time.

Then the wincing reaction cut to Brody as he struggles to hold on as the boat begins to tilt him towards the bow.

Such a great scene.
post #302 of 359

Most people here know the difference between the novel and the movie, but this is still a fun video.

post #303 of 359

I couldn't believe the book when I read it as a kid. Gives The Lost World a run for its money as "loosest Spielberg-directed adaptation."

post #304 of 359

The book really is terrible. Spielberg basically took the three good scenes (girl attacked in beginning, boy attacked on raft, Hooper in the cage) and built an entirely new movie around it. And made the characters a lot more likable. God, the book characters are all pieces of shit. 

post #305 of 359
They're airport novel characters.
post #306 of 359

  Movie Ellen Brody is practically saint compared to the one in the novel; Hooper is a dick as well. The story didn't need the mayor is in debt to the mob subplot. Amity's economy being dependent on summer tourists was enough reason to keep the beach open. Of course Mayor Vaughn was being reckless with people's lives, but there was a reason behind his actions.

post #307 of 359

They can follow the book's plotline more closely in the inevitable remake starring Christopher Meloni as Brody.


Edited by TonyB79 - 8/25/16 at 7:14pm
post #308 of 359
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By that point in the movie, the investment in the characters is so strong and the influence that this animal has on these characters so deep, that you overlook whatever disbelief you have of the "realness" of the shark.

 

More than that, the shark in JAWS is an iconic Movie Monster and is therefore beyond accuracy.  It being "realistic" is about as important as Dracula or the aliens in ALIEN being realistic.

 

And there's just something tactile about the mechanical shark that you cannot replicate with pixels.  When Robert Shaw slides into its mouth, he's not reacting to something that he's being told will be added in post.  He goes into that thing and that's what it looks like because that's what it fucking is.  The lifeless look of the fish only contributes to the terror - there's no reasoning with that thing.

 

Much as I like DEEP BLUE SEA, if this movie was made in the 90s and consequently used CGI it simply would not hold up as well.  The only opportunity I think they missed was having the shark's eyes roll back, as Quint describes.


Edited by FatherDude - 8/2/16 at 6:16pm
post #309 of 359
Am I the only one who doesn't find Bruce to be unrealistic most of the time? There's great shots of that shark Spielberg managed to pull off aside from all the hiccups.
post #310 of 359

I agree that the shark doesn't look bad overall.  Even the infamous jowls are just part of its personality to me.  The movie is good enough that Bruce declares his own reality.  It's kind of like how after you watch LINCOLN you basically feel like the historical Lincoln was probably impersonating Daniel Day-Lewis.  It's mother nature's sharks that are inaccurate!

 

Ironically, to me the only time the spell breaks a bit is in the underwater scene where they intercut real shark footage.  I definitely understood Spielberg's desire to mix some authentic stuff in there, but the fact is the Australian specimen looks noticeably different than Bruce, and they never have a wide money shot of the real shark swimming past the miniature cage with the dwarf stuntman inside to sell the scale anyway.   For consistency's sake I would have just done it all with tank work (which it mostly is anyway) with the obvious exception of the dumb-luck footage of the real shark destroying the cage, which is just awesome and at a distant enough angle that it doesn't threaten the illusion.

post #311 of 359

You have to remember though that viewers were in a different head space when it came to special effects back then.  You can't look at 1975 effects with 2016 eyes.  Audiences back then were used to imperfection and just rolled with things like the live shark not perfectly matching the mechanical one.  In a way, I think pre-CGI audiences had more of a suspension of disbelief.  As long as an effect had the semblence of reality and worked within the context of the film, they were fine with it.

post #312 of 359
http://youtu.be/BvZOYTm8iuU

"Deep Blue".. Largest great white ever caught on film.

This gal was 21 ft I believe, even at that size (and 2.5 tons) thats the closest comparison we can get to Bruce.

The biggest gripe I have had (if had to choose) with the look of the shark in Jaws, is the width of the head and snout, which is not nearly as tapered as it should.

But, I also think the size of the shark as tgey see it is UNBELIEVABLE because, how often would you encounter something as large as that.

The disbelief the viewer witnesses, while different, nearly falls into the same camp, it borders on absurdity in either instance.

I saw a 37 pound house cat one time and I couldn't stop giggling and repeating " he's not real, he's not real" it looked like a turkey dressed as a bear..

But when it comes down to it, Spielberg made this movie at the age of 27.. All in all the shark did its job, so well to the point that each shark afterward looked less and less realistic.

Plus, 27! What the fuck were any of us doing at 27??

NOT directing Jaws, thats what.
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You have to remember though that viewers were in a different head space when it came to special effects back then.  You can't look at 1975 effects with 2016 eyes.  Audiences back then were used to imperfection and just rolled with things like the live shark not perfectly matching the mechanical one.  In a way, I think pre-CGI audiences had more of a suspension of disbelief.  As long as an effect had the semblence of reality and worked within the context of the film, they were fine with it.


I mostly think that people just didn't give a blue fuck that it didn't match because... it was a REAL FARKING SHARK TEARING IT UP!

 

One of my favorite moments of reality that they give the Bruce shark, that is almost never talked about, is when Brody pokes his skin at the end and blood is rising up. It's pretty believable!

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Apparently JAWS: THE REVENGE was originally meant to have opening voice over narration to set the scene, but it was cut.  Here it is...




What nonsense!  I'd enjoy the movie more if this was part of it.
I almost expect Rod Serling to come strolling down the dock.
post #315 of 359

The TRAGICALLY HIP played what will likely be their last concert.

Gordie know hows to rock a shirt.

post #316 of 359

Finally forced my sister to watch Jaws the other day. #winning

post #317 of 359

What's the world coming to when you have to "force" someone to watch Jaws?  It's like on tv, and you can't change the channel. 

post #318 of 359
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Finally forced my sister to watch Jaws the other day. #winning
Did she have a mechanical shark fear she needed to overcome?

Or worse? Richardreyphobia?
post #319 of 359

She's one of those that will only watch anything made before 1990 or so under extreme duress.

post #320 of 359

All four JAWS films are currently on Netflix.  I've always hated the 5.1 remix for the first movie that has become its default audio track and is thus baked into the streamed versions, but that whine aside: enjoy!

post #321 of 359
Watched part 2 last week.

When the shark chomps down on that girl right in front of Sean, jesus.

That has to be one of the meanest kills in a big budget horror movie.

Cold blooded.
post #322 of 359

That was indeed brutal.  I also really like the aftermath scene when the burly guy is using threats to get Sean to participate in his own rescue, then embraces him paternally once the boy is safely across.  There are a few nice little character moments in the movie.

post #323 of 359

Yeah, taken in the context of the first movie being Brody's Indianapolis and he's now become Quint, Jaws 2 is actually a pretty solid movie.

post #324 of 359
Yeah JAWS 2 may be sort of a retread but they don't go by the numbers about it. There's still a lot of respect for the characters and the world they inhabit.
post #325 of 359

I mean, any movie that has music like this...

... is worth appreciating!  I unashamedly enjoy JAWS 2.

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Dig it.  Are there prints of this somewhere, or is it just online fan art?  It reminds me of the striking teaser poster for JAWS 2...

 

post #328 of 359
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Dig it.  Are there prints of this somewhere, or is it just online fan art?  It reminds me of the striking teaser poster for JAWS 2...



There aren't because I just made it today! But I can provide you with an bigger file if you wish.
post #329 of 359
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There aren't because I just made it today! But I can provide you with an bigger file if you wish.

Had no idea that was your own work!  Well done.  I'd love access to a bigger file if you'd like to PM me!

post #330 of 359

Update:

 

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I had a group of friends over last night for what is becoming an annual JAWS screening party. Last year we watched the sequels, so this year I wanted to do something a little different: JAWS and its rip-offs! We started the evening with smoked salmon and some various wines and ales while John Williams’ JAWS 2 score was spinning on vinyl in the background.

 

First movie up was Joe Dante’s PIRANHA, which remains a super fun treat, and is bolstered by its self-aware charm and Dante’s eager-to-please directorial style which is already in bloom.

 

We then moved on to GRIZZLY, which shamelessly applies the JAWS formula to a land-based threat, but is a slice of delightful schlock. Nobody else had seen this one, and a couple of my friends were amused by just how much of a rip-off it really is. It played well, though.

 

The night’s closer was, of course, the original JAWS. For as many times as I’ve seen it, it truly remains as engaging and entertaining and satisfying as ever. It would be impossible to overstate my love for this movie.

post #332 of 359
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Update:



Yeah . . . that's really good. Maybe a pair of the yellow barrels up front in the foreground?
post #333 of 359
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Yeah . . . that's really good. Maybe a pair of the yellow barrels up front in the foreground?

 

Hold my beer!

post #334 of 359

My wife's cousin worked in various haunted houses for years, and he  recently moved to a house on the lake. On July 4th, he's setting up a screening in the middle of the lake, complete with scuba divers grabbing people underneath the surface. I'll try and post pictures if my phone doesn't fall into the water.

post #335 of 359

If you have a Movie Tavern location near you, they're showing it next month as part of their Retro series. You're not going to get a pristine presentation, but you will get JAWS on the big screen and beer.

 

http://www.movietavern.com/special-programming/retro-cinema/

post #336 of 359

Getting to see this for the first time on the big screen this weekend. 4K restoration, no less.

post #337 of 359

 I saw Jaws in a movie theater a few years ago. Seeing the shark blow up on the big screen is so much fun!

post #338 of 359

Yeah, they showed it at a great theater/concert venue here a few years ago. The scream of a couple thousand people when Ben Gardner's face pops up was delightful.

post #339 of 359

Mondo is releasing the complete John Williams JAWS score on vinyl in October...

 

 

I am one of those people who has gotten into vinyl recently, and this looks like an absolutely gorgeous package.  It also marks, unless I'm mistaken, the first time that the actual film cues of the score have appeared on vinyl; the original (terrific) soundtrack album release features rerecordings and rearrangements that Williams conducted in separate sessions from the scoring sessions.

post #340 of 359
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My wife's cousin worked in various haunted houses for years, and he  recently moved to a house on the lake. On July 4th, he's setting up a screening in the middle of the lake, complete with scuba divers grabbing people underneath the surface. I'll try and post pictures if my phone doesn't fall into the water.

This ended up being great fun! There was a water slide, tons of Jaws-related props and lots of free food.  There ended up being around 40-50 people, including a drunk old dude named Snakeman who walked around with a Confederate flag beach towel. 

 

 Hopefully they'll do it again next year!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #341 of 359

This is a solid doc on the making of Jaws 2.

post #342 of 359
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This is a solid doc on the making of Jaws 2.


It's on the DVD and Blu-ray, and it's a surprisingly good look at the making of the film.  There's also a featurette on the John Williams score...

 

 

I know it's been said plenty of times in here, but Williams' score for 2 is so great.

post #343 of 359

I sometimes wonder if any of the footage from the original shoot survives the finished film.  From the sound of it, the production moved almost exclusively to Florida after Jeannot Szwarc signed on, but there's just enough of Martha's Vineyard (which I think is the only location the Hancock version had gotten to) in the movie to sell Amity city, and most of that consists of establishing shots.

post #344 of 359

Just rewatched this Saturday night with my son.  Man, I love this film.  What I also find remarkable is how confident and mature it feels, even though Spielberg directed it when he was, like, twelve years old.

 

Watched Jaws 3 on Sunday night.  I was surprised how well I remembered it!  Guess it had a much bigger impact on me than I realized.  God knows it scared the shit out of me when I saw it in the theater (I think I had my eyes closed for entire chunks of the film).  The FX have not aged well, but Lea Thompson looks as fine as ever.  

 

Jaws 2 is one of the most underappreciated films of all time, and almost certainly the most underappreciated sequel.  I like Scheider's performance, even if he didn't want to give it, and the boat flotilla scenes are still as visceral as ever.  

 

There are no other Jaws films.  


Edited by Overlord - 7/10/17 at 5:17pm
post #345 of 359
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I sometimes wonder if any of the footage from the original shoot survives the finished film.  From the sound of it, the production moved almost exclusively to Florida after Jeannot Szwarc signed on, but there's just enough of Martha's Vineyard (which I think is the only location the Hancock version had gotten to) in the movie to sell Amity city, and most of that consists of establishing shots.

I know I've read sources which state that there is a fair amount (which is to say, "more than none") of Hancock's footage in there.  If it's visibly Martha's Vineyard and there aren't any of the primary actors in the shot, it's probably from Hancock.  At least from what I've heard, but who really knows.  Supposedly the first shot of the fin in the dusky/nighttime harbor is absolutely from Hancock's time, at any rate.

 

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Jaws 2 is one of the most underappreciated films of all time, and almost certainly the most underappreciated sequel.  I like Scheider's performance, even if he didn't want to give it, and the boat flotilla scenes are still as visceral as ever. 

It's a battle between JAWS 2 and PSYCHO II for the title of "Most Underappreciated Sequel."  I think they're both legitimately good movies, they just had the task of following up two of the greatest films of all time. 

post #346 of 359

Has anyone picked up Jaws 2: The Making of the Hollywood Sequel?

 

 

I mean, I'm buying it regardless, but I was just curious.

post #347 of 359
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Yeah, "Jaws" is one of those rare examples where the movie is better than the book.

 

It's not that rare of a phenomenon.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was about 50/50 or maybe even slightly skewed in favor of the film versions.  

 

"Jaws" the novel is a bit of a rough read.  Mafia dealings (they loaned money to the mayor, and they don't want to be paid back, they want cooperation in real estate shenanigans), random drug references, a dead dolphin fetus used as shark bait (who thought that was a good idea?), etc.  

___________________

 

Other notable candidates for "the Film is better than the Print" 

 

Double Indemnity

The Duel

Psycho (actually, just about Hitchcock adaptation!)

Clockwork Orange (a really overrated book, IMHO)

The Godfather (although the book is pretty good, it ain't nearly as good as the movie ... the weird vagina size subplot hasn't aged well), also The Last Don

The Shining ...also Stand by Me ... also Misery ...also Shawshank Redemption

Blade Runner

Princess Bride and Stardust and Coraline (seeing a theme with some of these?)
Die Hard

The Silence of the Lambs and the television show Hannibal

LA Confidential

Any good Bond movie

Children of Men

post #348 of 359

The Hunt for Red October is the textbook example of the film vastly improving upon the book.

post #349 of 359
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The Hunt for Red October is the textbook example of the film vastly improving upon the book.

 

Doesn't the book pretty much spell out right off that bat that Ramius is defecting?  Not that you'd think for a second that Sean Connery was playing someone actually threatening to attack the US, but the film at least leaves his intentions in doubt.

post #350 of 359

It does. It's revealed in his first POV chapter.

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