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post #51 of 359
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
I wonder how long it will be before the inevitable remake/reboot/re-envisioning/re-quel. Of course, this time the studio will take a longer term franchise view, so at the end of the first new film, a beaten and bruised Quint (played by Russell Crowe) can look warily at newly-heroic Brody (played by Adrian Brody) as a thousand dorsal fins swim off into a stormy, blood red horizon, and growl, "The war between man and shark has begun, Chief." Brody will nod silently and then, as the JAWS theme is finally heard for the first time in the reboot, will say with profound gravitas, "I know."

DUHN-DUHN DUHN-DUHN DUHN-DUHN...
No, the final line will be "And this time, we have a bigger boat." The camera pans behind them to show the Super-ORCA, a giant part-cyborg Hooper robot-boat.
post #52 of 359
We kinda got that reboot/re-imagining with 'Deep Blue Sea'. Hopefully, its relative failure at the box office will deter the powers that be from making a full-on remake of 'Jaws'.

Hopefully.
post #53 of 359
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In terms of a JAWS reboot/re-whatever, I was listening to one of Kevin Smith's podcasts and he mentioned it. He said that he was talking to an executive at Universal and, just for kicks, asked them whether a JAWS sequel/etc. was in the cards what with the current remake craze. They told him that as long as Steven Spielberg was alive there would be no more JAWS films (unless he spear-headed the project of course...).

Again, its pure rumour, but interesting nonetheless.
post #54 of 359
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Originally Posted by Episode29 View Post
They told him that as long as Steven Spielberg was alive there would be no more JAWS films.
That sounds ominous. I wonder if you could hear weapons loading in the background.
post #55 of 359
See now, every single thing you've all said that makes Jaws: the Revenge a bad movie (which it most certainly is) are the same reasons I love it. Roaring, exploding shark that can track and kill motherfuckers like Anton Chigurh, Michael Caine in magical ocean-proof clothes playing a guy named Hoagie, Jamaican Peebles...its a beautiful thing.

And I don't give a fuck what anyone says, the opening scene with Sean's death is greatness.
post #56 of 359
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
No, the final line will be "And this time, we have a bigger boat." The camera pans behind them to show the Super-ORCA, a giant part-cyborg Hooper robot-boat.
I would so be in line for that sequel.
post #57 of 359
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
That sounds ominous. I wonder if you could hear weapons loading in the background.
LOL. And they would have to do it on the JAWS ride at Universal Studios:

Exec 1: Thanks for meeting with us today Steven.
Spielberg: Yeah, yeah, no problem. You know, my career began here, and so I'm always glad to come by... ...Though I don't really understand why we have to have this meeting on the tram ride...
Exec 2: *Nervous laugh* Yeah, well, um... Oh look! We're coming up to the JAWS attraction!
Spielberg: *Chuckles* Did I ever tell you guys that I named the shark Bruce after my lawyer! Cuz he's a shark! Ha,ha,ha... Wait, what are you doing?
Exec 1: I'm sorry Steven, but we need the JAWS rights back. For God's sake man, we have Fast & The Furious 4 as a tentpole. That shark is money in da bank!
Spielberg: No, you can't.... You won't... Is that a gun?
*BANG*
Exec 2: Quick, throw his body to the shark and lets get out of here! We got a production to start.

*Two execs run off, while Spielberg's lifeless corpse gets stuck in the gears of the fibre-glass shark.
post #58 of 359
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
We kinda got that reboot/re-imagining with 'Deep Blue Sea'. Hopefully, its relative failure at the box office will deter the powers that be from making a full-on remake of 'Jaws'.

Hopefully.
I'll defend Deep Blue Sea with my last breath. Nowhere near the caliber of Jaws, but it's a damn fun movie.
post #59 of 359
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I'll defend Deep Blue Sea with my last breath. Nowhere near the caliber of Jaws, but it's a damn fun movie.
I wholeheartedly agree. DBS was a blast in theatres and I still love it today.

Also awesome: Shark Attack 3: Megaladon. For entirely different reasons though.
post #60 of 359
Positives for 'Deep Blue Sea':

- The practical effect/mechanical sharks are GREAT looking.
- Some great deaths (particularly SLJ's).
- Hinted that Thomas Jane could be a leading man.
post #61 of 359
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
Positives for 'Deep Blue Sea':

- The practical effect/mechanical sharks are GREAT looking.
- Some great deaths (particularly SLJ's).
- Hinted that Thomas Jane could be a leading man.
You're forgetting LL Cool J's theme song...
post #62 of 359
Dickson, I got your back on the whole Deep Blue Sea thing. It's a blast. As a bonus feature, it showcases a chubby LL Cool J. And, really, who could ask for anything more?
post #63 of 359
Jaws is about as perfect a movie as can be made. The interactions between Hooper, Brody, and Quint are some of the best ever.

And, I love Chud. On how many other message boards could you jump into a thread to read about Jaws and leave wanting to watch Popeye.
post #64 of 359
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Originally Posted by Anakin's Dad View Post
I love Chud. On how many other message boards could you jump into a thread to read about Jaws and leave wanting to watch Popeye.
That should be CHUD's official motto on the main page's masthead. For a little while, anyway.
post #65 of 359
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
Positives for 'Deep Blue Sea':

- The practical effect/mechanical sharks are GREAT looking.
- Some great deaths (particularly SLJ's).
- Hinted that Thomas Jane could be a leading man.
You forgot Saffron Burrows in a wet suit.
DBS is a fun movie. I don't consider it a sequel to "Jaws" .
post #66 of 359
And there will be no "reimaginings", no remakes and/or sequels to "Jaws" as long as Speilberg is alive. He has enough muscle to stop is cold.
post #67 of 359
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You forgot Saffron Burrows in a wet suit.
She's better in the scene where she's OUT of the wet suit, but your point is valid regardless.
post #68 of 359
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
Happens to all of us. Everyone hop into the shark cage for a group hug.
But Hooper drives the boat, chief!
post #69 of 359
DBS provided inspiration for "a shark ate me, A MUTHAFUCKIN' SHARK ATE ME', I can't hate it for that.
post #70 of 359
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Originally Posted by Chris Allen View Post
You want more fun trivia about J:TR?

Michael Caine was not able to accept his academy award for Hannah and Her Sisters because he was filming this turd.

Also, one must never forget his magic Quick-dry clothes.

He lands his plane next to the ship, and as everyone on the ship is yelling for him to be careful and what-not, the shark jumps out and eats his plane. (Yes, eats.) As everyone is in major sadness that Sir Micheal is fun food, he surprisingly climbs on board the ship, IN COMPLETELY DRY CLOTHES.
Maybe there were two Michael Caines. Like there were two Screwfaces in Marked For Death? Perhaps, one was hiding on the side of the boat the whole time and came up to avenge the death of his twin brother. Maybe that's why it's called The Revenge. Anything about it in the novelization?

And Deep Blue Sea is nothing to Jaws. Better than the last one? Fine. I'll give you that. Saffron Burrows looks hot in her undies? Agreed. As far as Jaws rip-offs go though, Piranha is the only choice.
post #71 of 359
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
POPEYE is a misunderstood masterpiece. No, really. I swear. And the goofy octopus in it is far more threatening than the roaring Universal Studios Tour shark they pulled out of storage for JAWS THE REVENGE.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I like Popeye. I've seen it four times. It inspired me to check the big collections of classic Popeye strips out from the library (they're great, and not what you'd expect).

I'm just still trying to wrap my brain around the idea that the guy who directed Short Cuts and Nashville was somehow inspired/convinced/conned into making a movie about a cartoon character. I didn't become really familiar with Altman's work until later, and Popeye just seems like the puzzle piece that fell in from a different box.
post #72 of 359
I'm so pleased to find somewhere where a sneaking love for DBS isn't like being gay or a leper or something. SLJ's death had me in stitches for days.

Where I'm really disappointed about Jaws is that they never followed up by remaking all the other Peter Benchley books - "Squid" (a giant squid terrorises a coastal resort community)... "The Thing" (a nameless sea creature terrorises a coastal resort community)... "Jaws: The Re-imagining" (a bunch studio execs terrorises the corpse of Spielberg)
post #73 of 359
They did do Creature. It was a TV miniseries with William Peterson and Kim Cattrall.
post #74 of 359
Pretty sure he never wrote a book called Squid, do you mean the The Beast?
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
That should be CHUD's official motto on the main page's masthead. For a little while, anyway.
I'm rather partial to "smells like sex in here!"
post #76 of 359
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Originally Posted by Carpsio View Post
I'm so pleased to find somewhere where a sneaking love for DBS isn't like being gay or a leper or something. SLJ's death had me in stitches for days.

Where I'm really disappointed about Jaws is that they never followed up by remaking all the other Peter Benchley books - "Squid" (a giant squid terrorises a coastal resort community)... "The Thing" (a nameless sea creature terrorises a coastal resort community)... "Jaws: The Re-imagining" (a bunch studio execs terrorises the corpse of Spielberg)
Do you mean "The Beast" and "White Shark" (later renamed "The Creature")???
post #77 of 359
Wasn't Stan Winston responsible for the "Creature" in The Creature?
post #78 of 359
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Wasn't Stan Winston responsible for the "Creature" in The Creature?
I seem to recall so, yes. And it looked bad-ass! Too bad it wasn't in a better movie.
post #79 of 359
Stan Winston had a lot of that on his resume.
post #80 of 359
He won an Oscar for it and I still don't think Williams gets enough credit for his Jaws score. Everyone thinks it's nothing but unending variations on the dun-dun-dun-dun theme, but there's some spectacular scoring going on here. The "Out to Sea" theme doubles not only as a rousing action piece, but as a haunting coda over the credits. You've got the gentle, understated piano during the scene between Brody and his son. There's sort of a battle theme (the one used when the shark first attacks the Orca and while they're building the shark cage), and a great moment where he quotes "Fair Spanish Ladies". It's really a great score and not just the shark theme over and over again.
post #81 of 359
I dig the music to Jaws 2, as well ... at least the opening anthem. I hear echoes of this score in Revenge of the Sith.

Jaws 2 was the movie that introduced me to the idea of "alternate universe" versions of film. The movie that got released looked little like the merchandising that surrounded it, which told a very different story. Hell, even the coloring books included scenes that were omitted after the movie was re-written. The parody in Sick! magazine also references the original shooting script and NOT the final movie.

(Alien is a bit like this, too. The amount of creative effort put forth in that film was enough for any three movies. I've seen so may script revisions and production designs for Alien that I've got several other "versions" of that film running around in my head.)

Speaking of film production, Carl Cottlieb's The Jaws Log is essential reading. I've still got the same beat-up paperback I've had since 1975 and had no idea it had been re-released.
post #82 of 359
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Originally Posted by Episode29 View Post
Do you mean "The Beast" and "White Shark" (later renamed "The Creature")???
Something like that. I never read anything more of them than the blurb on the back of the paperback - and that was about 1956.

I wonder what Peter Benchley must be like with writer's block... just watching the Discovery Channel waiting for the next big idea to roll up: "A kangaroo terrorises a resort community.... hmm... I'll file that under 'maybe'..."
post #83 of 359
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Jaws 2 was the movie that introduced me to the idea of "alternate universe" versions of film. The movie that got released looked little like the merchandising that surrounded it, which told a very different story. Hell, even the coloring books included scenes that were omitted after the movie was re-written. The parody in Sick! magazine also references the original shooting script and NOT the final movie.
I would not call massive rewries and changes to a film an "alternate Universe".
post #84 of 359
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Originally Posted by Carpsio View Post
I wonder what Peter Benchley must be like with writer's block... just watching the Discovery Channel waiting for the next big idea to roll up: "A kangaroo terrorises a resort community.... hmm... I'll file that under 'maybe'..."
He doesn't have writer's block. He has living person's block.
post #85 of 359
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
He has living person's block.
Oh, man. There's no getting over that.
post #86 of 359
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I would not call massive rewries and changes to a film an "alternate Universe".
Good for you.
post #87 of 359
JAWS used to give me nightmares when I was a kid. Even now I get afraid of cold water and showers in the dark.

Watched JAWS 3D and JAWS: THE REVENGE a lot though. The Simon McConkindale death scene in JAWS 3D seemed like a real feisty way to go.

Bought the JAWS: THE REVENGE novelization by Hank Searls as well. Apparently Hogie is a DEA Agent in that one and the Shark is summoned by a Voodoo Witch Doctor.

A fun read.
post #88 of 359
I used to watch Jaws every year on TNT( I think)..on Thanksgiving. Always struck me as an interesting programming choice. Shark eating people on day where most people eating birds..circle of life I guess.
post #89 of 359
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Originally Posted by JohnnyZ View Post
I used to watch Jaws every year on TNT( I think)..on Thanksgiving. Always struck me as an interesting programming choice. Shark eating people on day where most people eating birds..circle of life I guess.
I remember TNT doing the 20th (?) anniversary special for like a week long back in the 90's but can't recall any Thanksgiving airings.
post #90 of 359
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post
Wasn't Stan Winston responsible for the "Creature" in The Creature?
L-L-L-L-L-LAND SHARK!

lovers to Stan Winston.
post #91 of 359
The original and first sequel, kept me from enjoying the ocean and the deep end of pools during my formative years. 3D was silly to me even at a young age.
Seems J:TR has gotten the most mention here, but one thing that hasn't been said is that although it keeps the characters, it pretty much ignores that 3D ever happened.
post #92 of 359
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Originally Posted by mrdrow View Post
Seems J:TR has gotten the most mention here, but one thing that hasn't been said is that although it keeps the characters, it pretty much ignores that 3D ever happened.
I've spent the last twenty years trying to do the same.

Are you actually trying to make the point that there's a continuity in the series that should be honored? Because that is, to put it as nicely as possible, very silly.
post #93 of 359
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I've spent the last twenty years trying to do the same.

Are you actually trying to make the point that there's a continuity in the series that should be honored? Because that is, to put it as nicely as possible, very silly.
Not sure how you made that leap. This is an observation. Movies franchises of that period rarely, if ever, disowned an installment. I remember when this was in production it was referred to as Jaws IV. The movie as we now know it has no number in the name. Without any official word I know of, J3D was disavowed.
post #94 of 359
Everything after the first movie should be disavowed.
post #95 of 359
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Everything after the first movie should be disavowed.
Preach from the mountain top brother.

Yet another cult of one good movie.
post #96 of 359
Sounds like a topic for a thread I'm sure exists discussing The Matrix and Highlander with the theory of "one"s and how with many franchises "there SHOULD be only one"
post #97 of 359
I'm hard pressed to think of many films that I'm grateful to have sequels to. *Heresy alert* As much as I love The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars as a standalone would have been just peachy with me.
post #98 of 359
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I'm hard pressed to think of many films that I'm grateful to have sequels to. *Heresy alert* As much as I love The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars as a standalone would have been just peachy with me.
I'm with you on that one.
post #99 of 359
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I'm hard pressed to think of many films that I'm grateful to have sequels to. *Heresy alert* As much as I love The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars as a standalone would have been just peachy with me.
I almost agree and yet I don't dislike JEDI enough to be okay with not ever having EMPIRE. I feel the same way about THE GODFATHER films. PART III isn't so bad that I could have done without PART II. But yeah, now that we've seen the wreckage of the SW Prequels, it's easy and understandable to look back upon a simpler, better existence for STAR WARS.

The problem with sequelizing the JAWS films is that you pretty much have to kill the shark at the end of each film but then you need yet another new abnormally large and human-hungry fish for the next one. Perhaps instead of focusing on Brody dealing with the same scenario striking Amity Island, the series could have followed Hooper as he travelled around the world dealing with different shark problems.

No wait, that sucks too. Yeah, nevermind.
post #100 of 359
Jaws 2 was filmed at the beaches right where I live. I should rewatch that one, as I've seen it the least, and haven't in some time. I am still scared to swim out in the Gulf.

And not just b/c of the films, there actually are a SHITLOAD of real sharks right off the beaches at any given time. If you ever get up high (i.e. a helicopter) and travel down the beaches here, you can see hundreds of them. Many are harmless, but many are also bullsharks, which are NOT harmless.

It was huge news a few years ago, but some poor kid lost his arm in knee deep water, and is now basically braindead. His uncle also wrestled the shark up to shore with his bare fucking hands and got the arm out. Surely that gets you some sort of bad-ass badge.

Also, some fishermen hooked an insanely huge Mako shark right off our beach a couple of years ago. It was in the process of eating a 300 lb tarpon at the time, equally rare for our area. I forget how many lbs the mako was. Over 1000, I believe (edit: 1063 lbs). I know there was a video of it (which has some hilarious redneck-fisherman exclamations in it).


Point being: it always made these films (mainly the first one, and to a lesser extent, the second) far more poignant growing up. When I used to go offshore fishing with my dad, he just loved to either throw me off the boat, or wait till I had to jump in for a second to escape the heat. He would then move the boat ever so slightly away from me and sort of look behind me as he started to excitedly yell, "don't look back, Joey! Just swim! Swim!" Fucking asshole.
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