The JAWS Thread: "Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women!" - Page 2

No, the final line will be "And this time, we have a bigger boat." The camera pans behind them to show the Super-ORCA, a giant part-cyborg Hooper robot-boat.

We kinda got that reboot/re-imagining with 'Deep Blue Sea'. Hopefully, its relative failure at the box office will deter the powers that be from making a full-on remake of 'Jaws'.

Hopefully.

That sounds ominous. I wonder if you could hear weapons loading in the background.

See now, every single thing you've all said that makes Jaws: the Revenge a bad movie (which it most certainly is) are the same reasons I love it. Roaring, exploding shark that can track and kill motherfuckers like Anton Chigurh, Michael Caine in magical ocean-proof clothes playing a guy named Hoagie, Jamaican Peebles...its a beautiful thing.

And I don't give a fuck what anyone says, the opening scene with Sean's death is greatness.

I would so be in line for that sequel.

I'll defend Deep Blue Sea with my last breath. Nowhere near the caliber of Jaws, but it's a damn fun movie.

Positives for 'Deep Blue Sea':

- The practical effect/mechanical sharks are GREAT looking.
- Some great deaths (particularly SLJ's).
- Hinted that Thomas Jane could be a leading man.

Dickson, I got your back on the whole Deep Blue Sea thing. It's a blast. As a bonus feature, it showcases a chubby LL Cool J. And, really, who could ask for anything more?

Jaws is about as perfect a movie as can be made. The interactions between Hooper, Brody, and Quint are some of the best ever.

And, I love Chud. On how many other message boards could you jump into a thread to read about Jaws and leave wanting to watch Popeye.

That should be CHUD's official motto on the main page's masthead. For a little while, anyway.

You forgot Saffron Burrows in a wet suit.
DBS is a fun movie. I don't consider it a sequel to "Jaws" .

And there will be no "reimaginings", no remakes and/or sequels to "Jaws" as long as Speilberg is alive. He has enough muscle to stop is cold.

She's better in the scene where she's OUT of the wet suit, but your point is valid regardless.

But Hooper drives the boat, chief!

DBS provided inspiration for "a shark ate me, A MUTHAFUCKIN' SHARK ATE ME', I can't hate it for that.

Maybe there were two Michael Caines. Like there were two Screwfaces in Marked For Death? Perhaps, one was hiding on the side of the boat the whole time and came up to avenge the death of his twin brother. Maybe that's why it's called The Revenge. Anything about it in the novelization?

And Deep Blue Sea is nothing to Jaws. Better than the last one? Fine. I'll give you that. Saffron Burrows looks hot in her undies? Agreed. As far as Jaws rip-offs go though, Piranha is the only choice.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I like Popeye. I've seen it four times. It inspired me to check the big collections of classic Popeye strips out from the library (they're great, and not what you'd expect).

I'm just still trying to wrap my brain around the idea that the guy who directed Short Cuts and Nashville was somehow inspired/convinced/conned into making a movie about a cartoon character. I didn't become really familiar with Altman's work until later, and Popeye just seems like the puzzle piece that fell in from a different box.

I'm so pleased to find somewhere where a sneaking love for DBS isn't like being gay or a leper or something. SLJ's death had me in stitches for days.

Where I'm really disappointed about Jaws is that they never followed up by remaking all the other Peter Benchley books - "Squid" (a giant squid terrorises a coastal resort community)... "The Thing" (a nameless sea creature terrorises a coastal resort community)... "Jaws: The Re-imagining" (a bunch studio execs terrorises the corpse of Spielberg)

They did do Creature. It was a TV miniseries with William Peterson and Kim Cattrall.

Pretty sure he never wrote a book called Squid, do you mean the The Beast?

I'm rather partial to "smells like sex in here!"

Wasn't Stan Winston responsible for the "Creature" in The Creature?

Stan Winston had a lot of that on his resume.

He won an Oscar for it and I still don't think Williams gets enough credit for his Jaws score. Everyone thinks it's nothing but unending variations on the dun-dun-dun-dun theme, but there's some spectacular scoring going on here. The "Out to Sea" theme doubles not only as a rousing action piece, but as a haunting coda over the credits. You've got the gentle, understated piano during the scene between Brody and his son. There's sort of a battle theme (the one used when the shark first attacks the Orca and while they're building the shark cage), and a great moment where he quotes "Fair Spanish Ladies". It's really a great score and not just the shark theme over and over again.

I dig the music to Jaws 2, as well ... at least the opening anthem. I hear echoes of this score in Revenge of the Sith.

Jaws 2 was the movie that introduced me to the idea of "alternate universe" versions of film. The movie that got released looked little like the merchandising that surrounded it, which told a very different story. Hell, even the coloring books included scenes that were omitted after the movie was re-written. The parody in Sick! magazine also references the original shooting script and NOT the final movie.

(Alien is a bit like this, too. The amount of creative effort put forth in that film was enough for any three movies. I've seen so may script revisions and production designs for Alien that I've got several other "versions" of that film running around in my head.)

Speaking of film production, Carl Cottlieb's The Jaws Log is essential reading. I've still got the same beat-up paperback I've had since 1975 and had no idea it had been re-released.

Something like that. I never read anything more of them than the blurb on the back of the paperback - and that was about 1956.

I wonder what Peter Benchley must be like with writer's block... just watching the Discovery Channel waiting for the next big idea to roll up: "A kangaroo terrorises a resort community.... hmm... I'll file that under 'maybe'..."

I would not call massive rewries and changes to a film an "alternate Universe".

He doesn't have writer's block. He has living person's block.

Oh, man. There's no getting over that.

Good for you.

JAWS used to give me nightmares when I was a kid. Even now I get afraid of cold water and showers in the dark.

Watched JAWS 3D and JAWS: THE REVENGE a lot though. The Simon McConkindale death scene in JAWS 3D seemed like a real feisty way to go.

Bought the JAWS: THE REVENGE novelization by Hank Searls as well. Apparently Hogie is a DEA Agent in that one and the Shark is summoned by a Voodoo Witch Doctor.

A fun read.

I used to watch Jaws every year on TNT( I think)..on Thanksgiving. Always struck me as an interesting programming choice. Shark eating people on day where most people eating birds..circle of life I guess.

I remember TNT doing the 20th (?) anniversary special for like a week long back in the 90's but can't recall any Thanksgiving airings.

L-L-L-L-L-LAND SHARK!

lovers to Stan Winston.

The original and first sequel, kept me from enjoying the ocean and the deep end of pools during my formative years. 3D was silly to me even at a young age.
Seems J:TR has gotten the most mention here, but one thing that hasn't been said is that although it keeps the characters, it pretty much ignores that 3D ever happened.

I've spent the last twenty years trying to do the same.

Are you actually trying to make the point that there's a continuity in the series that should be honored? Because that is, to put it as nicely as possible, very silly.

Not sure how you made that leap. This is an observation. Movies franchises of that period rarely, if ever, disowned an installment. I remember when this was in production it was referred to as Jaws IV. The movie as we now know it has no number in the name. Without any official word I know of, J3D was disavowed.

Everything after the first movie should be disavowed.

Preach from the mountain top brother.

Yet another cult of one good movie.

Sounds like a topic for a thread I'm sure exists discussing The Matrix and Highlander with the theory of "one"s and how with many franchises "there SHOULD be only one"

I'm hard pressed to think of many films that I'm grateful to have sequels to. *Heresy alert* As much as I love The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars as a standalone would have been just peachy with me.

I'm with you on that one.

I almost agree and yet I don't dislike JEDI enough to be okay with not ever having EMPIRE. I feel the same way about THE GODFATHER films. PART III isn't so bad that I could have done without PART II. But yeah, now that we've seen the wreckage of the SW Prequels, it's easy and understandable to look back upon a simpler, better existence for STAR WARS.

The problem with sequelizing the JAWS films is that you pretty much have to kill the shark at the end of each film but then you need yet another new abnormally large and human-hungry fish for the next one. Perhaps instead of focusing on Brody dealing with the same scenario striking Amity Island, the series could have followed Hooper as he travelled around the world dealing with different shark problems.

No wait, that sucks too. Yeah, nevermind.

Jaws 2 was filmed at the beaches right where I live. I should rewatch that one, as I've seen it the least, and haven't in some time. I am still scared to swim out in the Gulf.

And not just b/c of the films, there actually are a SHITLOAD of real sharks right off the beaches at any given time. If you ever get up high (i.e. a helicopter) and travel down the beaches here, you can see hundreds of them. Many are harmless, but many are also bullsharks, which are NOT harmless.

It was huge news a few years ago, but some poor kid lost his arm in knee deep water, and is now basically braindead. His uncle also wrestled the shark up to shore with his bare fucking hands and got the arm out. Surely that gets you some sort of bad-ass badge.

Also, some fishermen hooked an insanely huge Mako shark right off our beach a couple of years ago. It was in the process of eating a 300 lb tarpon at the time, equally rare for our area. I forget how many lbs the mako was. Over 1000, I believe (edit: 1063 lbs). I know there was a video of it (which has some hilarious redneck-fisherman exclamations in it).


Point being: it always made these films (mainly the first one, and to a lesser extent, the second) far more poignant growing up. When I used to go offshore fishing with my dad, he just loved to either throw me off the boat, or wait till I had to jump in for a second to escape the heat. He would then move the boat ever so slightly away from me and sort of look behind me as he started to excitedly yell, "don't look back, Joey! Just swim! Swim!" Fucking asshole.