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post #1 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:25pm
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It's nice to read good stories in the news. Just today, two separate home invasions resulted in the invaders losing both the invasion and their right to suck air.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metr..._newstab&imw=Y

I am not a fan of regular folks having guns anymore, but since I inherited my dad's collection and like what's mine, I have several ways of getting my hands on killing stuff in case something like this happens here.

I hope no one ever tries to get in here, but if they do I will enjoy killing them.

Yay for good guys who win!
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post #2 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:26pm
Moral of this story: Don't break into the Nunziata household.
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post #3 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:27pm
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Oh, I will shoot the daylights out of you.
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post #4 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:28pm
So weird - I just bought a bunch of ammo so I will never have to watch my wife murdered by thugs in our home. Not a big gun guy also, also using guns my dad left me.

It cured my insomnia!
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post #5 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:30pm
Can you aim? I'd take my chances!
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post #6 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:32pm
I don't have any guns in my house, but I'll slice and dice you with my sword collection.
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post #7 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Can you aim? I'd take my chances!
I've been shooting since I was ten, so yeah. Wish I didn't feel the need to own one. I live ten minutes from Camden, the murder capital of NJ.

The ammo I bought was hollow point! I didn't even ask for that. I'll take a muthafucka's head off!
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post #8 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
I don't have any guns in my house, but I'll slice and dice you with my sword collection.
Too easy
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post #9 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:38pm
My city had a rash of these a little while ago, with one of them happening only a block away from my house. The team of attackers wore night vision goggles, used military assault tactics, and were all armed.

Home Invasions are the only crime I lose sleep over. I came close to buying a gun, but I'm still too nervous around firearms to feel comfortable owning one.
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post #10 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:39pm
Wow, I didn't expect to the first to be that guy but:

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FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.

-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472)

FACT: Contrary to popular belief, young children do possess the physical strength to fire a gun: 25% of 3-to-4-year-olds, 70% of 5-to-6-year-olds, and 90% of 7-to-8-year-olds can fire most handguns.

-Naureckas, SM, Christoffel, KK, et al. Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, 1995
Hope you are instilling a little gun safety into the little one.
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post #11 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:49pm
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and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
Eh, that falls under pro-choice. Not a negative in my opinion.

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FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.
Just HAVING the gun will make me want to kill myself?

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FACT: Contrary to popular belief, young children do possess the physical strength to fire a gun: 25% of 3-to-4-year-olds, 70% of 5-to-6-year-olds, and 90% of 7-to-8-year-olds can fire most handguns.
No kids here. Gun party at my house!

The statistics are what they are, but those studies don't really account for dipshittedness.
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post #12 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
The statistics are what they are, but those studies don't really account for dipshittedness.
I can't disagree with you on this. Personally, I don't like guns (but I do know how to shoot one) and I wouldn't ever try to suggest taking guns away. Just want the aspect of gun safety being stressed (especially when it comes to little ones being in the same house).
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post #13 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Just HAVING the gun will make me want to kill myself?
No, but ready access to a gun might make someone who's considering suicide consider it a little more seriously.
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post #14 of 69
2/9/09 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
Wow, I didn't expect to the first to be that guy but:



Hope you are instilling a little gun safety into the little one.
Propaganda from the Anti-Gun Lobby. First, it's the pistols. Then, it's the concealed gun in your car. Next, it's your right to drop that News Traffic Helicopter out of the sky.

Everyone should have a gun. Not just to stop home invasions, but to make the evening rush hour that much more fun.
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post #15 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
Just want the aspect of gun safety being stressed (especially when it comes to little ones being in the same house).
Absolutely. Gun safety can't be stressed enough. And in houses where there are kids, they should be under lock and key.

No one is more surprised than me that I want a gun in my house. I'm not a fetishist, I don't eye up gun stores and I'm not saving up for some ridiculous hand cannon so I can feel like a badass.

But I'm not a big guy, and if two dudes entered my house with ill intentions, I'd be otherwise fucked. On top of that, I want my wife to be able to protect herself if I'm out of town. Wasn't lip service when I said I wish I didn't feel like I needed one.
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post #16 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:01pm
What exactly is a 'home invasion'. Never heard that term before.
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post #17 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:02pm
Funny Games.
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post #18 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:03pm
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What exactly is a 'home invasion'. Never heard that term before.
*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_invasion
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post #19 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Funny Games.
Wow, I didn't know that kind of crime was so common as to actually have its own terminology. Generally speaking when people break into houses over here they just want to steal your TV.
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post #20 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:07pm
It could also be that the suicidal will buy a gun. I think it's up among the top ways of offing oneself, sadly.

But like any tool, it's all in how you use it and how you teach yourself about it. Unfortunately, background checks don't account for all the dumbfuck decisions you make.

Ands they're good to have in the event of a zombie attack. Because we all know we've all planned for that very day.
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post #21 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Wow, I didn't know that kind of crime was so common as to actually have its own terminology.
Generally less cinematic. Willful trespassing with the intent to rob or harm is I think what we're referring to.
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post #22 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Funny Games.
Well it's sort of like that. The gang just wants to steal your shit, not beat you to death with a golf club.
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post #23 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Generally less cinematic. Willful trespassing with the intent to rob or harm is I think what we're referring to.
I was more referring to the wikipedia article which seems to categorise burglary and home invasions as different crimes.
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post #24 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Well it's sort of like that. The gang just wants to steal your shit, not beat you to death with a golf club.
Then when you don't have enough valuables, shit gets all In Cold Blood.

Edit: Right, Spike - burglary is a sort of home invasion, but a home invasion isn't always burglary.
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post #25 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:13pm
Yeah, sadly that's what happened to the guy who played Dith Pran in The Killing Fields. He was killed in a home invasion and I think his Oscar was stolen. Which is why Homer's Oscar was changed from that guy's to Don Ameche.

All and all, never have shit worth stealing in your house.

I think what goes on in Spike's country is because no one has access to guns. Instead everyone has knives. And I mean the metal-stabby kind. Not the girl from Scott Pilgrim.
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post #26 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:15pm
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I don't care if someone is breaking in to clean my fish tank... sucker is askin' for it.
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post #27 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post

I think what goes on in Spike's country is because no one has access to guns. Instead everyone has knives. And I mean the metal-stabby kind. Not the girl from Scott Pilgrim.
All of our disputes are resolved via brutal games of Knifey-Spoony.
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post #28 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:21pm
That's in Australia. I thought you people just get into beer-fuled fist fights as to who was better: Pitt the Elder or Lord Palmerston
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post #29 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:24pm
Why would someone break in to clean your fish tank?

Is that an American thing?

I'm a massive hypocrite - I think owning personal firearms is wrong, but if it was legal to do so, I'd own one in a heartbeat. You know, even the playing field and all.

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post #30 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:26pm
Purchasing a good gun is pretty friggin expensive. It can be at least seveal hundred dollars. Not to mention it has to be maintained.
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post #31 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:27pm
In the UK, you fake heart attacks to protect against a home invasion.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/12/...7721230142705/

Of course, expect somebody to smash your eyes with a pistol and beat your spouse with a baseball bat before fleeing the scene.
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post #32 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Purchasing a good gun is pretty friggin expensive. It can be at least seveal few hundred dollars. Not to mention it has to be maintained.
I own satnavs more expensive than that. I'd imagine in the UK they'd be thousands, legally.
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post #33 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Purchasing a good gun is pretty friggin expensive. It can be at least seveal few hundred dollars. Not to mention it has to be maintained.
The one I inherited goes for, I think, 400 dollars. I just maintained it yesterday, using these videos by a creepy European. Learned how to field-strip and clean it, and chuckled at the guy in the vids the whole time.
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post #34 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
The one I inherited goes for, I think, 400 dollars. I just maintained it yesterday, using these videos by a creepy European.
They have guns in Europe? The hell?
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post #35 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:39pm
How do you think Hans Gruber got those exotic guns? Also Switzerland has incredibly high gun ownership.
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post #36 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:45pm
If you were real men you'd kill the invaders with your bare hands, like I do.
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post #37 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:52pm
By hands, you mean mitts?
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post #38 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
If you were real men you'd kill the invaders with your bare hands, like I do.
Isn't that hell on your arthritis?
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post #39 of 69
2/9/09 at 1:55pm
On the other hand, walking canes serve as pretty brutal and effective weapons in these circumstances.
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post #40 of 69
2/9/09 at 2:04pm
I've thought about it but frankly don't see that it would be much use under home invasion circumstances. If bad guys kick in the door while I'm watching "A Baby Story" on the tube or eating dinner or on the crapper, it's not like I've got a gun sitting in my lap. And I wouldn't think of keeping a loaded gun that wasn't trigger locked and/or locked up in a safe of some sort - good luck getting it unlocked, cocked and ready to rock (sorry) in the middle of the night.

And if you've got others in the house who you don't particularly want to shoot, you've gotta worry about shots going through walls and doors and finding unintended targets.

So best case I'd have a locked up scattergun to use as a club, and a big'ol maglite is much cheaper.

ETA: But I do dearly love to read newsstories where the bad guy eats it. You bust into someone else's home for any reason and your rights to keep the insides in are forfeit.
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post #41 of 69
2/9/09 at 2:50pm
Well essentially you hope to hear intruders attempting to break in, or hear a noise at night or something. I own a gun, as there have been "home invasions" in my neighborhood (though almost always when no one was home).

Haven't you ever seen a horror movie? Wouldn't just ONE gun completely change the scenario? I try and live my life based solely on movies, so I have a gun to protect myself, like in, "The Strangers."
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post #42 of 69
2/9/09 at 2:57pm
I do find it ironic that in both Atlanta cases, neither victim-to-be killed their attacker with a gun they owned. In one the attacker was killed with his own gun, and in the other the attacker was stabbed.
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post #43 of 69
2/9/09 at 3:16pm
It's a good article, but unfortunately represents two things:

1) That home invasions are really on the rise in Atlanta. My neighborhood has been hit with a couple of bad ones recently, and another neighborhood recently had a high-profile case when three kids (13-17, IIRC) break into a home with shotguns. No deaths there, at least.

2) That most invasions of gun-owning homes don't end with the owners on top. One of the invasions in my neighborhood was fortunately foiled by a next-door neighbor who was armed and willing to face off against five armed kids, but that shit is rare.

And unfortunately John Henderson wasn't as lucky as the homeowning folks in this article. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18449502/d...atl&psp=news#-
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post #44 of 69
2/9/09 at 3:22pm
How to put this...it's not AS shocking to hear about employees being robbed at 4AM. NOT saying people should expect to be robbed out in the big bad world after midnight, but I think one's home is a different story.
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post #45 of 69
2/9/09 at 3:25pm
If you shoot a home invader, make it count. If they live*, they'll probably sue you for medical bills, pain, suffering....



*Of course if they die, their family will most likely sue. So...
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post #46 of 69
2/9/09 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
How to put this...it's not AS shocking to hear about employees being robbed at 4AM. NOT saying people should expect to be robbed out in the big bad world after midnight, but I think one's home is a different story.
In this case, I think the guy who owns the Standard was massively negligent. There are at least three common and good security measures I can think of off the top of my head, none of which were in place. (No security detail, no pulldown gates, no quick response alarm on the windows.)
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post #47 of 69
2/9/09 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Can you aim? I'd take my chances!
with a shotgun aim is not that important.
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post #48 of 69
2/9/09 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
with a shotgun aim is not that important.
Wrong. Within 7 yards (the typical distance quoted for defense firearm training) the shot from your average 12-gauge shotgun is not spreading that much. It takes a lot more distance for the shot to spread unless (a) you're using a very short barrel (which may be illegal, depending on where you live) or (b) you've got the proper choke inserted to create maximum spread at short range.
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post #49 of 69
2/9/09 at 4:13pm
I know who I'm teaming up with when the dead get up and start eating people.
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post #50 of 69
2/9/09 at 4:16pm
I know who's house I'm not breaking into.
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