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So, I read this, and decided to start the new thread. In short, the article talks about the NaziCAA discussing a change to the taunting rule that would actually make it a live-ball foul, essentially negating points scored if it's during a TD play.

Are you fucking kidding me? Pretty soon, they'll consider college football just an exercise activity, with no scoring so the other team won't have their feelings hurt. Give me a break.
post #2 of 877
I agree that a rule change like that seems excessive, but is it really that hard for the scoring team to hand the ball back to the ref and jog off the field after a score? Is it really that hard for the wide receiver to protect the ball while scampering into the end zone instead of pretending to hand the ball back to the defender? The rule doesn't mean you can't celebrate a score. You just can't be a jackass about it. Let the fans in the stands be the jackasses.
post #3 of 877
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Yes, I think it is that hard for them to do. They're on the field with tens of thousands of people watching them in the stadium, with possibly even more on television (if the game is televised), and they literally have the crowd in the palm of their hands when they're going in for that score. For a 18-20 year old, I think it's really hard to contain that excitement at that moment. If you're a football fan, think about how excited you get when your team scores, especially at an important moment...now think about if you were actually the person doing the scoring, and multiply your excitement level by 1000.
post #4 of 877
Yeah, but it's a penalty on taunting, not celebrating. If you have the need to taunt someone you've just defeated, you're a poor sport and have a serious defect in your character. It should be enough that your superior athleticism won the day. There shouldn't be a need to grind your opponent into the ground afterwards. That's how we end up with guys like T.O.
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That taunting stuff drives me crazy, but I think you're starting to tread in dangerous territory if you do this. Let's say a WR is running for a TD, and he turns around to see if someone is about to tackle him. Now maybe the ref thinks he turned around and said something to the DB right behind him, and he throws a flag, and the TD is overturned. With the way college refs have been lately, I can see this happening at least a few times a season. They penalized that QB from Washington last year for throwing the ball in the air, for Christ's sake. Would that be considered taunting or celebrating? That's the next argument I think you get into. Maybe the celebration is considered taunting. Then which penalty is it? If they do institute it, I predict there will be many Sportscenter highlights showing that Team A would have won a game, had they not gotten a game-winning TD called back for taunting.
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This would be a horrible idea. I agree with Mattioli that I don't like taunting but the refs have more than enough to screw up now. They do not need any more chances to change the outcome of games.

Oddly enough my friend who coaches little league football almost got into a fist fight with the other coach due to a call very similar to this. A kid on his team taunted a kid chasing him right before he stepped into the endzone because it was the 4th time they ran the play and each time they picked up at least 20 yards. After about 5 minutes of bitching from the opposing coach, the ref assessed the penalty from the spot of the foul, the one yard line. The rule clearly states the TD counts and the penalty is assessed at kick off.

My buddy ran that same play for the remainder of the half (the penalty was in the first quarter) and went in up by 3 TD's.

ETA: I doubt anyone really cares but the kid doing the running in this play is the only black kid in the league and the other team was coached by a guy who always complained that the only reason my buddy would win was because of this kid. This crap trickled down to the teams and this kid was treated like crap by the opposing team. I don't like taunting but most of us cheered when he did it.
post #7 of 877
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That's my point--refs already screw up and (purposely or not) affect the outcome of games as it is, and if you start adding this to the equation I think it makes things even more problematic.

And on the youth football front, we ran into some coaches like that. We had a set of coaches that bitched about every play we ran, on both offense and defense, until finally in the 2nd half, one ref looked over at them and said, "If you complain about anything else, I'm penalizing you 15 yards each time you do it. So knock it off." I called out a ref one game because he marked off pass interference call as a spot foul instead of a 15 yard penalty (which it was supposed to be), and he threatened to throw me out of the game if I spoke to him again. He also came on our sideline during halftime and plopped himself down on the bench and took some of our Gatorade and Powerade drinks. I complained to the league, and he never did one of our games again (he had done 3 of our 6 games prior to that).
post #8 of 877
Can we start with a 15-yard penalty assessed against the Vols in the UF/Tennessee game thanks to Lane Kiffin?
post #9 of 877
Just to follow up on my earlier points and clarify, I don't support this rule change. I agree that the refs should not be given any further power to needlessly change the outcome of a game. That being said, I stand by my statement (not that anyone's disagreeing with me) that taunting an opponent is bush league. At the end of the day, there's already a mechanism in place to punish the taunting player and team and it's really the coach's place to punish the player. Maybe too many of today's coaches are falling down on the job.
post #10 of 877
Well, Spring ball is starting up. Anyone have any big worries about this season? As an OSU fan, I'm worried about Pryor growing as a passer and finding some standout receivers. On the positive side, some of the more poisonous older guys are gone so maybe the offense will be a little more cohesive this year. We will see, I suppose.
post #11 of 877
Bowden's "killing a flea with a hammer" line is hysterical. The football team loses virtually nothing (1.1% of scholarships over the course of 4 years is nothing). The only penalty is that Bowden loses some victories.
post #12 of 877
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Plus the track team loses a National Championship, and the M & W basketball, baseball, softball, swimming, and golf teams all lose victories as well. It's not just football that this thing affects, although that's all that anyone ever mentions, as Bowden said: "The thing about it is that it isn’t about me, and that is all I really hear from commentators about it. It’s about all of our coaches and our teams. I think everyone is putting it on my wins. That is just part of it. The whole crux of the thing to me is does the punishment fit the crime? I think that is the thing you have to find the answer to right there."

It's exactly the same as the NCAA ruling to wipe out a bunch of OU's wins from 2005(?) because of Rhett Bomar, which I think OU is still appealing. Starving Dog could probably update us on that.
post #13 of 877
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The only penalty is that Bowden loses some victories.
Which means Joe Paterno pretty much has the all-time victory mark wrapped up.
post #14 of 877
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Which means Joe Paterno pretty much has the all-time victory mark wrapped up.
Personally, I wish it was. I hate seeing that every fucking time I see FSU play on television. 10 years after Bobby retires, it would be great to see that honor go to him, but it's annoying the way all announcers devote a crapload of time to it.
post #15 of 877
More often than not, losing wins doesn't matter. In the record books, Michigan basketball went 0-fer for the second half of the 90s. And you know who cares? Nobody. Losing victories is absolutely meaningless as only a rare few remember. Yeah it sucks having the Big Ten banners taken down, but whatever, it didn't impact the program going forward.

So while the other FSU programs lose victories, it's a slap on the wrist with a feather duster. The only teeth to the punishment is Bowden losing victories. And for something so widespread, its tough to think there wasn't some practice of willful ignorance by the entire athletic department.
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Which means Joe Paterno pretty much has the all-time victory mark wrapped up.
Which is really just restoring the way it should be (stupid 31 Stamford victories).
post #17 of 877
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Hey, look who's moving into an office right next to me for the rest of the week. Maybe I'll ask him about it personally.
LL
post #18 of 877
Move over Tim Tebow - it's John Brantley time!

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Brantley completed 17-of-23 passes for 265 yards and three touchdowns and ran for two more to lead the Orange squad to a 31-21 victory in front of a UF-estimated crowd of 65,000.
post #19 of 877
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So, is the AP doing this on purpose so people will stop linking to their site?

President Obama welcomes national champion Florida State Gators
post #20 of 877
I wish that article had a byline. Maybe it was written by Isaiah Thompson.
post #21 of 877
Went to the spring game for Ohio State this weekend, along with 95,000 other people. National Spring Game record. It was a lot of fun. Our token under-acheiving running back, Brandon Saine, is looking good for the first time in 2 years. Maybe Pryor won't have to do all of our running this season. I don't put much stock in the spring game but it's good to see the guys out on the field.
post #22 of 877
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Went to the spring game for Ohio State this weekend, along with 95,000 other people. National Spring Game record.
Holy crap. I thought the Penn State faithful were crazy. We ended up with 76,500 in Beaver Stadium for Blue/White.
post #23 of 877
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Went to the spring game for Ohio State this weekend, along with 95,000 other people. National Spring Game record.
So many people showed up because they knew they were guaranteed to see Ohio State win.

Burn!
post #24 of 877
Good point. I thought so many showed up because Jim Tressel was wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
post #25 of 877
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In related news, apparently the NCAA also wants FSU to vacate their wins in any Spring Games where potentially ineligible athletes were involved.




Yeah, I'm kidding. But you thought it was true for a second, didn't you?
post #26 of 877
I know none of you, besides Mattioli, care about Big Ten football but Indiana apparently kicked Kellen Lewis off the team today. He was the starting QB last season and they made him switch to WR for this upcoming season but I'm kind of surprised by this. He always seemed like a good kid. I always feel bad when players get kicked off a team, like Perriloux from LSU last year. Indiana probably isn't going to be very good either way but Lewis was their best WR since he switched. Too bad.
post #27 of 877
Did everyone hear about the Gator who got tazed? I thought a couple of you Seminole fans would find it as amusing as I did.
post #28 of 877
Janoris Jenkins. Still not as infamous as the Dwight Schintzius "tennis racket" incident on Main Street, but yeah, it is still amusing after the whole "don't tase me, bro" ordeal.

Florida Times-Union article

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Jenkins is the third Gator football player to be arrested this spring and 24th since Urban Meyer was named the head coach in December 2004.
I'm not going to say I'm proud of this, but it's hilarious to me that it's somebody's job at the TU to keep count. What, do they have a tote board at the sports editor's desk? Or do they just put tally marks on the wall like a a prisoner counting off the days?
post #29 of 877
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Welcome to the Orlando Sentinel and Bianchi reporting about FSU.

The funniest thing about the Schintzius incident was when FSU played UF in basketball right after it happened (Schintzius played on the bball team), and the FSU fans started throwing tennis balls at him.

EDIT: Oh, and I would be remiss not to throw in, "Don't taze me, bro!"
post #30 of 877
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Did everyone hear about the Gator who got tazed? I thought a couple of you Seminole fans would find it as amusing as I did.
I found it very humorous until I realized I had just before that finished reading about one of our WRs who (allegedly) threw a chair at a woman in a fight. Sigh...our WRs have more legal problems than Suge Knight.
post #31 of 877
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The funniest thing about the Schintzius incident was when FSU played UF in basketball right after it happened (Schintzius played on the bball team), and the FSU fans started throwing tennis balls at him.
The funnier incident was, at Vanderbilt, when the Vandy fans did that and got two technical fouls on the Commodores.. which sent the game into overtime, and Florida won.

After that, we figured we'd just send fans to all our road games with tennis balls and get all kinds of free throws.
post #32 of 877
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So, the NCAA has responded to FSU's appeal of vacating victories, but they won't let FSU release the information. However, that's against the law in Florida. So if they release the info, they're violating the NCAA agreement, and if they don't, they're violating Florida law. Ahh...I just love the NCAA.
post #33 of 877
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So, the NCAA has responded to FSU's appeal of vacating victories, but they won't let FSU release the information. However, that's against the law in Florida. So if they release the info, they're violating the NCAA agreement, and if they don't, they're violating Florida law. Ahh...I just love the NCAA.
Its amazing how much the NCAA are dicks. I really hope one day a school takes them on to the point where it gets to a serious politica level and the NCAA gets shot down by someone with authority. If I was a Florida lawyer with too much free time I'd be going after them like mad for violating the open records act.

Hey MM, have you noticed the change in tone over Bowden's remaining tenure? I think they've told him there is ZERO chance in hell that he stays on past 2010 as they won't pay Fisher the $5 million penalty. A good friend of mine recently spoke with Spetman too and he came away from that conversation convinced Spetman has it under control and Bobby won't be able to hold the school hostage much longer.
post #34 of 877
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I was thinking about that this weekend--I think with the team that's being built, 2010 is shaping up to be the "Farewell Tour" for Bowden. Just about the entire offense will be upper classmen, and the defense should be moving forward after a probable downer this season. I believe Mickey holds on through the end and retires after 2010 as well. This year's schedule will be a severe test for the team, and I think it will just make them better for next year.
post #35 of 877
Best place for this, I suppose.

Today, in the last day of the MLB draft, this came across from the New York Yankees in round 48.

"The New York Yankees select Patrick White. We'd like him listed as a quart....er, I mean, center fielder. West Virginia University."
post #36 of 877
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Apparently FSU's academic staff were distributing text books at Alabama as well. And similar to FSU, this was spread across over a dozen sports, with 201 athletes, but everyone focuses on the football program.
post #37 of 877
An incoming Ohio State freshman RB, Jamaal Berry, got arrested yesterday with an ounce of pot. At least the Buckeyes are screwing up like every other team, I guess.
post #38 of 877
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To me, a further sign that Bowden will retire by 2010--TK Wetherell will announce his retirement as FSU president.
post #39 of 877
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Update--word is that a new president will be in place by Jan. 2010...which is the same month that Bowden's one year contract expires every year. So whoever the new president is, odds are they won't be a Bowden-homer as much as Wetherell (who played football for Bowden at FSU). Either way, if Bowden stays for the '10 season, word is he will be almost exclusively a figure head, as Fisher will have total control over the football program. Mickey Andrews (the DC) will likely retire after the '09 season--he almost retired after '07 and '08. Rumor is they'll go after the DC from ECU.
post #40 of 877
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Update--word is that a new president will be in place by Jan. 2010...which is the same month that Bowden's one year contract expires every year. So whoever the new president is, odds are they won't be a Bowden-homer as much as Wetherell (who played football for Bowden at FSU). Either way, if Bowden stays for the '10 season, word is he will be almost exclusively a figure head, as Fisher will have total control over the football program. Mickey Andrews (the DC) will likely retire after the '09 season--he almost retired after '07 and '08. Rumor is they'll go after the DC from ECU.
All of this is EXCELLENT news for FSU. Watch out folks, our slow and steady rise out of mediocrity is about to happen. All those prayers to Burt Reynolds have been a success!
post #41 of 877
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Well, the NCAA response has been revealed and no surprise (to me, at least), the NCAA says "Here's your answer--no." So, why was that considered to be sensitive? It obviously was a denial, since they gave FSU two weeks to respond to their ruling.
post #42 of 877
So, not a good day to be Erin Andrews, is it? I feel bad for that lady.
post #43 of 877
I feel bad for her as well....but I damn sure want to find that video! I am a healthy heterosexual male after all. I need to find proof that good looking women went to UF.
post #44 of 877
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It's blurry and hard to see, and at some point you'll feel like a creep, because you realize that you actually know who the girl is that's being spied on. Although it did lead to me asking my wife if women actually style their hair naked all the time. She said sometimes, especially if you're dressing up and don't want to take a chance that you might mess up your clothes.
post #45 of 877
Have the SEC Media days lost their importance? The only two newsworthy things that came out of it is that Steve Spurrier doesn't fill out his own Preseason All-SEC ballot and that Tim Tebow doesn't believe in premarital sex. Although.. I guess there's not a whole lot else going on in July.
post #46 of 877
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..and that Tim Tebow doesn't believe in premarital sex.
This is sad. Tebow, Tebow, Tebow. The man should be getting more women than Brad Pitt! Sigh, yet another reason to be let down by a Gator. FSU's players may be getting arrested but at least they get some tail.
post #47 of 877
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Strangely enough, I was in Bowden-land this weekend...no, not Tallahassee, but Florence, Alabama. Home to the University of North Alabama Div II (or FBS, whatever) football team led by Terry Bowden. Even toured the campus a bit. Went to a wedding in Florence, and the groom went to college at UNA, so he took a couple of us by the campus. We got to see their lion mascots--Leo III and Una--as they laid out in the Alabama sun.

Oh, and for all things Tebow, don't miss the Tim TeBlog this season. A blog being kept up by some former ESPN writer. Don't know if it's "serious" or not. And as much as the college football part of me hates Tebow and the Gators, blah, blah, I think it's ludicrous that the SEC "media" asked him about his virginity, etc. That's TMZ journalism, not sports journalism. For players to have to answer, hell, even be asked questions like that is asking way too much of them.
post #48 of 877
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Strangely enough, I was in Bowden-land this weekend...no, not Tallahassee, but Florence, Alabama. Home to the University of North Alabama Div II (or FBS, whatever) football team led by Terry Bowden. Even toured the campus a bit. Went to a wedding in Florence, and the groom went to college at UNA, so he took a couple of us by the campus. We got to see their lion mascots--Leo III and Una--as they laid out in the Alabama sun.
UNA (and Florence, Ala.) is the mecca of Division II football. The Harlon Hill trophy (the DII version of the Heisman) is based there and they've hosted the DII National Championship a ton of times. Bowden the Younger's mission is to return the Lions to their "glory years", and they compete in what is probably the toughest DII conference in the nation, the Gulf South Conference - home of Valdosta State, Delta State and other perennial contenders.

And now back to your regularly scheduled Tebow talk...
post #49 of 877
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Strangely enough, I was in Bowden-land this weekend...no, not Tallahassee, but Florence, Alabama. Home to the University of North Alabama Div II (or FBS, whatever) football team led by Terry Bowden. Even toured the campus a bit. Went to a wedding in Florence, and the groom went to college at UNA, so he took a couple of us by the campus. We got to see their lion mascots--Leo III and Una--as they laid out in the Alabama sun.
This is where I grew up, went to the 1st couple of Div II championship games FLorence hosted, back when UNA racked up three championships in a row.

UNA used to keep just one lion for a long time, but they all kept dying at a relatively young age. They finally realized it was from loneliness and boredom brought on by having a pack animal alone in a cage, so wised up and finally got two.

I took one class there over the summer while home between terms at UA, and you could here the lion roaring all the time while sitting in class.
post #50 of 877
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That's exactly what my friend said. When he lived on campus, he said you could hear the 2nd lion (Leo II when he was there) roaring at night, and it sounded like a freight train was passing by.

BTW, we stayed at the Marriott Shoals hotel--do they not get a lot of people staying there? The hotel itself was nice, but the staff were assholes, who seemed to be annoyed by the fact that there were people there. I heard one guy tell one of the bartenders that if she smiled a bit more, she might get better tips. Her response to this was to complain to him more about her life, and that he if he knew the whole story, he'd understand. I don't want my bartender to be in a worse mood than me.
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