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Red Dragon......is it just me!?

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
...or am I the only peep on this board who is counting down the LONG days until this movie comes out!!? I cannot wait for this movie to come out, and my calendar is f*cking with time, I swear!

What do you peeps think about this flick that opens 10-4-02? I think it's gonna kick a$$, and I am stoked to see Hopkins portray Lector for the last time. Sorry, if I sound like such a dork, but other than Lord/Rings 2, this is my big movie of the year.

- Fixxxer
post #2 of 40
This does look like a great movie but of course it won't be as good as Silence of the Lambs. It does have a great cast, Edward Norton, Anthony Hopkins, and Harvey Kietel. Tree great actors working together, it should be pretty damn good. This is a pretty anticipated film for me up there with Spider-Man, Signs (even though they are out I was anticipating them before they came out), abd LOTR The Two Towers.
post #3 of 40
I only hold a grudge against it because I'm a 'Manhunter' lover. Each new trailer I witness though, I grow slightly more excited. Norton just seems out of place to me. Hopkins comes across as doing an imitation of the vicious Lector in 'Lambs'. And Fiennes...well, I'm still on the fence about him.

Picked up the 'Red Dragon' score by Danny Elfman this week. Not bad, but not great. More subdued. But what am I saying? The Inspector is better at reviewing scores than me...
post #4 of 40
Manhunter is an awful movie, especially when compared to the novel. All the Miami Vice pastels and neon makes me want to puke. Some interesting edits, but Will Graham sucked, Lecter sucked, Frances Dolarhyde was moderately entertaining, but all around a bad adaptation. Not bad for Mann's first feature, though.
post #5 of 40
this movie looks better than hannibal, but how hard is that?
post #6 of 40
Oh, damn! A 'Manhunter' bashing followed by a 'Hannibal' stab!

Hey - I grew up on 'Vice' and Michael Mann (I love 'The Keep' too). I think a lot of you will be surprised, unless a whole lot has been changed from script to screen, how similar 'Dragon' will be to 'Manhunter'. I mean, I read the script to 'Dragon' a ways back and just shook my head at the similarities...neon hues or no neon hues.

As for 'Hannibal' - it's just a matter of taste for some (pun intended). It certainly wasn't a Clarice Starling film by any means (or it might've been called 'Starling and Hannibal Together Again!'). It was Hopkins' film through and through, I enjoyed what they did with it.

I did like the book better.
post #7 of 40
With regards to Elfman's involvement, due to this I'm gagging for this lil puppy. As far as I'm concerned, his best work has been a brief foray into the realms of the real (I say this in relation to his better known classic fantastical film scores for Nightbreed, Batman Returns, Darkman and The Nightmare Before Christmas et al)...

...A Simple Plan and Dolores Claiborne are the pinnacles of his career. Deeply subdued and undemonstartive, yet atonaly mellifluous in that bleak and understated way that Michael Small used to do for films like The Parallax View, Marathon Man, The Stepford Wives and Audrey Rose in the '70s. I hope this score goes in the same fashion: can't really see him going for his old childrens chorus la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la schtick one more time for an outing with Francis D and Bill Graham...

...and with Dante Spinotti on board, at least it's going to look and sound fabulous. Oh, some guy going by the name of "Ted Tally" wrote the screenplay so I don't soppose it's going to read like Keenan and Kel either...

Why isn't everyone excited ? Sure the trust fund kid's in charge, but what in Demme's oeuvre had everyone chomping at the bit for Silence... before it came out ? Melvin and Howard, Last Embrace and Something Wild were great pictures but I hardly think Married to the Mob, Caged Heat or Swing Shift would have ptrepared us for the Gothic majesty of Lector part 2 would it ?
post #8 of 40
I am definitely looking forward to this. Very much so.
post #9 of 40
I'm interested to see what Ted Tally does with it. I LOVE Manhunter and I'm ok with this cover version as it touts one hell of a cast. Why is Norton so horribly miscast? An FBI profiler in all likelyhood would be squirrelly bookworm of a guy not seeing much action.
post #10 of 40
I have to disagree with pretty much everyone here. I think Ed Norton, even though he's one of my favorite actors, is a terrible choice for Will Graham. Not the image I had of him at all when I read Red Dragon, which I still prefer over Silence.

I just cannot get excited about 'Red Dragon', and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because it's so incredibly obvious they're just trying to duplicate the succes of 'Hannibal', and there's no real love for the source material. Maybe it's that I'm so fucking sick of Hopkins' institutionalized (sp?) Hannibal, especially after seeing the way he was in 'Hannibal', I prefer that one a LOT more.

Maybe it's because I dug the hell out of 'Manhunter' when I saw it for the first time recently and see no need to re-do it.

One thing I willa admit, I think Raph Fiennes was an excellent choice for Francis, he just fits...from what I've seen.
post #11 of 40
Got to agree with Johnny on this one. It's pretty obvious that this film is only getting made because Hollywood likes to box things up in neat little parcels - and Manhunter doesn't make a nice trilogy with Silence and Hannibal. The fact that it's a great film matters not, it doesn't fit into the franchise so it must be made over.

It doesn't mean that this won't be an entertaining film. Just considering the cast, I'm sure it'll be worth the ticket price. But it's been made for the wrong reasons, and that's bound to show through somehow. They've just got one eye on the Lecter Boxset they'll be able to put together when this hits DVD. That's all.
post #12 of 40
You see, now there's too much agreeing with Johnny. He'll start thinking we respect him. So just to even things out, I disagree with everything else he's said. Ever.
post #13 of 40
In the preview he has the messed up lip.

I'm looking forward to this. I think Manhunter is very much the cheesy 80s movie, all sterile and clean, and I'd rather see a more "Silence of the Lambs" version without the goofball pop songs. It's not a terrible movie, but I have no love for it except the ending, which was great. What disappointed me most in the movie was they shortchanged Dolarhyde, and it seems this time they won't. But Tom Noonan was great at the role. He was just perfect.

I have to agree though that Norton is miscast. He's WAY too young for that character.
post #14 of 40
I think Fiennes will do fine
post #15 of 40
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Darth Hubris:
Not bad for Mann's first feature, though.
That'd be 'Thief'. Theatrically, anyway.

Norton looks dull, not haunted. This is strictly a curiosity film.
post #16 of 40
I thought this movie was another one of those skateboarding videos.

post #17 of 40
I must come clean and admit this, I've never seen Silence of the Lambs, and if I have well I just don't remember it. I'm not a big fan of Lector, maybe cause I never paid any attention to the movies or the novels. I did happen to see Hannibal and I thought it was quite boring. I probably wont see this film until it hits video shelves, that only leaves me with one question...is there something wrong with me? Actually you don't have to answer that. As for Edward Norton, call me insane but I think he's an over hyped actor, he hasn't done anything that's remotely impressed me, or well should I say that someone else couldn't do. frown
post #18 of 40
I agree with Johnny and the creeps who said Norton is completely wrong for Graham. Fact is, William Petersen fucking NAILED the part in 1986. It's like thinking about anyone but Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones, or Arnie playing the T-800. Just not happening.

And Manhunter rules.
post #19 of 40
I wasn't thrilled when I saw the first trailer for Red Dragon. It just had Norton and Hopkins going back and forth. I'm very excited about it after seeing the most recent trailers. Ralph Fiennes is always good and I want to see Lector behind bars again. What I loved about Lambs was Lector playing with Clarice and leading her. When I saw Hannibal, I hated it. After repeat viewings, I have grown to like it quite a bit. The thought of a very pissed off Hannibal playing games with the FBI agent who caught him has me intrigued. Ted Tally writing it doesn't hurt either. I'm going to in line for the first showing next week.
post #20 of 40
Would it were that there could be a Red Dragon discussion that doesn't turn into Manhunter vs. Red Dragon.
post #21 of 40
Thread Starter 
See, I think Ed Norton is going to surprise a lot of people like he usually does. I mean, I would have nver thought the main skin head in American History X was the same guy who played a nerdy lawer in People vs. Larry Flynt. I had to see his name in both credits to believe it.

We'll have to wait and see, of corse, but the guy hasn't let me down yet.

- Fixxxer
post #22 of 40
Movie Geek: blame Hollywood. If you're gonna talk about "Red Dragon" it's inevitable that "Manhunter" is going to be brought up. It has to happen. You can't talk about the 'Psycho' remake (though this discussion is not as harsh) without talking about Hitchcock's far superior film.

Both films come from the same source material and must be both kept under the magnifying lense.

I'm sure the debate will grow more heated when the film hits theaters.
post #23 of 40
I never did see Hannibal (well, I caught the last ten minutes on HBO so I saw the big money shot), so I'm not too interested in this one.
post #24 of 40
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Raider of the Lost Pox:
I never did see Hannibal
Consider yourself lucky.
post #25 of 40
I oppose the motion.

Film artistry. Too rare to pass up these days. And if you've got a wickedly guignol-friendly sense of baroque, gallows-humour, you'll get a sheer visceral kick out of this deleriously beautiful, operatic, black comedy.
post #26 of 40
Quote:
Raider of the Lost Pox:
I never did see Hannibal (well, I caught the last ten minutes on HBO so I saw the big money shot), so I'm not too interested in this one.
I've read all of the books and I think I'll happily retain my memory of them rather than sully it with the films.
post #27 of 40
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Jack Burton:
Well aside from the matter of how Edward Norton doesnt look the part, this looks like itll be a more faithfull adaptation of the book, no matter what the actors look like.
It's not simply that he doesn't look the part - it's more like he doesn't appear capable of playing the part convincingly on any level. For a start he seems to young, insubstantial and mild of personality - too flippant and easygoing for an essentially damaged, bone-weary character.

In any case, "more faithful to the book" never automatically amounts to "better movie". The two versions of The Shining virtually provide us with a textbook example of this - and in fact, from seeing the trailer of RD alone I'm pretty confident that Manhunter and Red Dragon will end up being looked at the exact same way.
post #28 of 40
Quote:
M Night Shyamalan's Straxboy:
I oppose the motion.

Film artistry. Too rare to pass up these days. And if you've got a wickedly guignol-friendly sense of baroque, gallows-humour, you'll get a sheer visceral kick out of this deleriously beautiful, operatic, black comedy.
Got to disagree with that one. I never miss a chance to wheel out my anti-Hannibal screed, so here ya go. This was sent in an e-mail to a friend who had read and reviewed the book, but hadn't seen the film. And don't complain - you asked for it. Sort of.

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Story. I mean, aren’t films supposed to have one? This isn’t like MI2 where the story was just crap, there literally is no plot to this film. Silence of the Lambs was a police procedural thriller. We must catch Killer X. Clues, developments, we get to see the FBI working towards a conclusion, and we’re pulled along with them. In Hannibal, you get 2 hours of Anthony Hopkins creeping about while various people make pathetic attempts to catch him. The entire opening hour, set in Florence, has no bearing at all on the rest of the film. None. It’s discarded halfway through. The same thing happens with the Mason Verger revenge “plot”. And as a result, the film is arse-achingly dull. Because there’s no linear progression. In theory, this film could go on forever, because there’s no story, no conflict to bring to a conclusion.

Characters. Having seen it, I now understand why Jodie Foster wanted nothing to do with it. I’m surprised Julianne Moore did. In this film, Clarice Starling is reduced to a cameo for almost two thirds of the film. She is portrayed as the typical Tough Lady Cop. She holds the record for Most Kills By A Female Agent. Honestly. None of the vulnerability, subtlety or emotion of Silence of the Lambs. A cardboard cutout. Because of the change of actress, and the poorly written character, you never believe that this is the same Agent Starling who caught Buffalo Bill. Thus, the entire “relationship” between Lecter and Starling is pissed up the wall.

Anthony Hopkins. I mean, bless him. National Treasure and all. But this film sees him turn Hannibal Lecter from a genuinely unnerving human monster, into a well spoken, opera loving Freddy Kruger. They’ve broken the key rule of monster-making – keep them in the shadows. In Lambs, he was so scary because he didn’t move. He just stood there, and with his voice alone put the fear of God into poor Clarice. And when he did burst into action at the end, the contrast was shocking – like seeing a cobra strike out of nowhere. It was his potential for savagery that captivated you. In this film, Hannibal wanders around Italy, has coffee, he’s even got a nice job. And he kills loads of people. In a variety of gory ways, while making “Hannibal-esque” comments. The thinking seems to be that, as people loved Hopkins role in Silence of the Lambs, therefore they’ll really love a film that’s just two hours of his stand-up Lecter routine. Get rid of all that Oscar winning shite that made Lambs such a chore to watch, and turn it into The Hannibal Lecter Show. No mystery, no subtlety, no depth. This is nothing more than a crude slasher movie for posh people. Which leads us nicely on to...

It’s pretentious. Incredibly, stupefyingly up it’s own flabby arse. It’s Ridley Scott, for fucks sake. Give him a tight script with a straight story and his visual flourishes can create something fantastic (Alien – a stylish but basic monster movie, Blade Runner – a stylish but basic noir detective story, Gladiator – a stylish but basic revenge story). But here, he drowns in lingering shots that are so obviously MEANINGFUL and CLEVER, without ever actually meaning anything. Lots of backlit statues. Close ups of old paintings. Latin phrases. Gosh, it must all mean something. It looks very nice, but all this fluff is there to make Joe Public munching his popcorn think he’s seeing something that’s too deep for him to really understand, but don’t worry – there’ll be another murder in a minute. Bollocks. It’s a smokescreen, with cod psychology and lurid, unneccesary details papering over the cracks. And it also bumps up the running time by another mind-numbing 30 minutes or so.

The FBI. In Lambs, the inner workings of the FBI were convincing. We rooted for Starling as she entered this male world. That shot of her in the lift, surrounded by men? That one split-second has more depth and character development than the whole of Hannibal. Instead of Jack Crawford (whose relationship with Starling mirrored Lecter’s – part mentor, part suitor, part surrogate father – stop me if I’m getting too Sight & Sound here…) we have some so obviously “nasty” bosses that they might as well wear capes and twirl their moustaches. They victimise Starling for no other reason than it creates the illusion of drama. You get no sense of the FBI itself, just Ray Liotta as a sleazy, misogynist who serves no purpose other than to be A BAD GUY – because, obviously, we can’t have Hannibal as a villain. We like Hannibal.

The whole Mason Verger bit. Firstly, man-eating pigs? WHAT? I mean, if there was ever a B-Movie plot device, then this is it. No matter how hard they try to make pigs look scary, it still just looks funny. They’re fucking PIGS! Yes, I know that real bad-ass pigs are dangerous. They just don’t look it. Secondly, the Mason Verger revenge plot is so ludicrous, so stupid and so obviously dropped in there to try and add some structure to this flaccid mess, that the film turns into a bizarre farce everytime this “sub plot” bubbles up to the surface, like a bath fart. For one, Mason Verger is yet another of Thomas Harris’ evil homosexual predators. He’s gay, therefore he’s a paedophile and is into degrading sex. Gay = Twisted and Dangerous. Very grown up. Secondly, despite being incredibly wealthy, Verger’s trap is sprung by his henchmen – a posse of Italian peasants, in shellsuits. They raise his pigs, they catch notorious serial killers for him. Why? Er…they just do. And, amazingly, they do catch Lecter. Despite 10 years of effort by the FBI, it takes the Italian peasants only a few days to find and catch him. Aha, you think, he’s let himself be caught and he’ll turn on them later. Nope. They got him. It’s like Dracula being caught by accidentally opening the curtains in the morning. And finally, this entire story thread is dropped abruptly to make way for the most bizarre and painfully stupid final act in the history of cinema.

The Violence. Now, I’m not a wallflower when it comes to on-screen splatter. I love Day of the Dead, I love Braindead. I love horror movies, and I love gore movies. But there are things in this film that, had Tarantino or Cronenberg for instance, put in a film – the Daily Mail would be up in arms, the film would be locked away at the BBFC while they argued over what to do about it. This film shows some of the vilest, most grisly torture and murder I’ve ever seen. In a way, I almost respect Ridley Scott for getting away with it. Intestines splatter on the floor, a man gets stabbed in the cock and pumps blood all over himself, Mason Verger’s half-face is horrifically real, and the final reel – which I won’t spoil, but I’m guessing you’ve read the book – features one of the characters having the top of his skull removed, his brain sliced up, cooked and fed back to him. Not implied, not done off camera. There it is, in widescreen, no cutaways – like Ready, Steady, Cook. I’m not a prude by any means, but it’s revolting – even more so because the whole film before it is so pointless. There’s no build up, no sense that this is the logical conclusion to any sort of story. The audience were shuffling, not in that “ooh, that’s horrible” horror movie way, but in a real “jesus, that’s fucking sick” way. Now, I don’t have a problem with the gore so much as I have a problem with why it was there. Compare the body count and splatter of Hannibal to the relatively bloodless Silence of the Lambs. One is a subtle, intelligent thriller that sticks in your mind because of great performances, and the unsettling questions it leaves you with. The other is a cheap horror show, that sticks in your mind as the film that showed you a man being fed his own brains, with the top of his skull removed. It’s a cheap stunt, and that just about sums up the whole sorry affair.

Words that sprang to mind while watching Hannibal: tedious, meandering, pointless, grotesque, cartoon-like, sick, dull, melodramatic, silly, what time is it? I wonder what’s on Sky Movies tonight? Can I still sneak in and see Almost Famous? Is anything going to happen soon? Why has it turned into a comedy, or is that just me? And so on…

Everything else about it. It’s just a mess. Slow, boring, with no characters to root for. There’s zero story, just a series of events. It’s unconvincing – despite being on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list, Hannibal quite happily hops on planes around the world – even when the FBI are right on his tail and he's chopped his own hand off, people leave their front door unlocked, cops who are terrified that Lecter is after them forget their guns before going to meet him and so on…
post #29 of 40
Call me a pretentious fuckwit by all means (c'mon, you know it's true) but it is called Hannibal so for the picture to dwell on him is not too surprising a thing to do under the circumstances.

And since the whole book was, in essence, Harris' middle-fingered salute to the whole pantomime-mainstreaming of the Lector visage, it was certainly, when transplanted to celluloid, a shaggy dog, piss taking joke. But what a po-faced, beautifully rendered gag. A glorious, witty, delerious, wallowing, intetionally garrulous circus of the most foppish horrors. Like Theater of Blood for faux-pompous film students. So many casually brilliant notions and ideas thrown up in the book and the film that are cast aside in the garish adulation of Hannibal the super-villain ! Harris' point well made, I feel. Devil's advocacy filmmaking of the highest order.

The Italian cop's dogged pursuit mirroring the salacious delight of the 90's media's fascination with whoring the Lector moniker as a push-button boogeyman, transforming him into a nudge-nudge by-word for gory yuk-yuks. Both Gianni and us are therefore delivered a comeuppance of the lip-lickingest order. Boldly obvious metaphor, yes: wildy entertaing one ? Indeed.

Truly a love it or hate it experience. and I luuuuuuurve the little bastard.

And to be honest Sir Whitehead, I'm having a little difficulty placing your feeling toward the film. Honestly, you're so sketchy in your analysis...
post #30 of 40
Thread Starter 
The problm with Whitehead's friends comments, is that he is comparing Hannibal to Silence of the Lambs. This isn't fair because THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT MOVIES. Hannbal is a movie about(big surprise) Hannibal!! Silence of the Lambs was a movie about CLarice Starling. On a side note, this is Clarice Starling 10 years later. She isn't a rookie anymore.

Sure, one is a movie and the other is a sequel, but damn. If you go around comparing sequel to the original, then you are going to be for a lifetime of dissapointment. Silence of the Lambs is one of the MOST imprortant horror films of all time. To compare ANY movie to it would be unfair.

Hannibal as a STAND ALONE movie, is a great movie. Brilliantly directed, great cinematography, good acting, and an excellent score by Hans. Say what you will about the script/story, but this movie isn't supossed to be Silence of the Lambs 2.

I know comparrisons will always be made, but Hannibal is a good movie. Is it better than Silence? No, not at all. But it's still good.

- Fixxxer
post #31 of 40
Actually Fixx I think those were Himself's comments not his mate's.
post #32 of 40
The problem is, Hannibal isn't a stand-alone. It's a sequel to a really scary, well-known movie, and it's played as a dumb joke. I didn't even hate the movie, but I see why people would.
post #33 of 40
Thread Starter 
In terms of sequel, it's only a sequel in terms of character. Again, two TOTALLY different movies.

- Fixxxer
post #34 of 40
Still a sequel, and like it or not, it will be judged that way. People go to the sequel because they liked the first. You can change things up in tone only so far before before get miffed.

I don't want Terminator 3 to be a musical comedy.
post #35 of 40
Thread Starter 
I can see your point, but I still stand by it's only a sequel in terms of characters. The reason it will be "judged that way" is because people are idiots. I mean what's a sequel? The same title with the number "2" on it?

Hannibal and Silence are total different movies. Different actors (except Hopkins), diferent look, different story, different music, different everything exept for the characters of Lector and Starling. I mean, you could automatically place it under "sequel", but that kinda' half assed IMO.

It's kinda like Army of Darkness. Yeah, it's a sequel to Evil Dead 1 and 2, but even Raimi admits that it is designed to be a stand alone movie. Like Hannibal and Silence, Evil Dead and Army of Darkness are extremely different movies.

Besides, I never thought of Hannibal as a sequel in the first place. It always felt like more of a "follow-up" if anything, on the character of Lector.

End of rant.

- Fixxxer
post #36 of 40
It's not judged that way because people are idiots. It's judged that way because it's based on a book by Thomas Harris which was a sequel to Silence of the Lambs, and had Anthony Hopkins as Lecter and WOULD have had Jodie Foster return except that she bailed due to the crappiness of the script, and was then marketed as the sequel to Silence of the Lambs.

Yeah, people sure are dumb for calling it a sequel.

The reason Army of Darkness was made as a stand alone was because they figured so few people knew about the Evil Deads that it made sense. The followers would know, and everyone else would see it as its own entity.

You can't argue Silence of the Lambs was a little-known cult hit.
post #37 of 40
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Agent FIXXXER:
The problm with Whitehead's friends comments, is that he is comparing Hannibal to Silence of the Lambs. This isn't fair because THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT MOVIES.
Yep, them's my comments. I could dig out my friend's equally robust smackdown of the book/film if you like, but I think we've got enough to be going on with...

If I'm comparing Hannibal to Silence Of The Lambs, it's because one is an example of how to structure a tightly plotted and genuinely tense thriller while the other is a meandering mess of baroque excess and self-indulgent mocking of the very audience it sought to sell itself to. The fact that one is the "follow up" to the first just makes the differences all the more glaring. One is an example of a good film, the other is an example of a bad film. I understand what "Hannibal" was trying to achieve - I just think it failed, dismally.

To address your point about Clarice not being a rookie any more, that's not my problem with the character. My problem is that the Clarice of Hannibal displays none of the personality or mannerisms of the Clarice from Silence. She's an entirely new character, more like Ripley than the vulnerable agent who caught Buffalo Bill. Maybe that's how she developed in the FBI, but as the movie never tells us that, it's like a jarring jumpcut to an entirely new character. As the film hinges on the relationship between Clarice and Lecter (as established in Silence, another good reason to compare the two) this lack of empathy with Clarice undermines the whole movie.

A lot of it's failings fall at the feet of Thomas Harris, to be fair. The film is simply a live-action extension of his "fuck you" novel. I see a lot of Straxboy's points, and agree that if viewed as a huge pisstake then Hannibal probably works a lot better. My problem with it is that it implies a level of smug superiority on the part of writer and director that I just find repellent. "We're going to feed you shit, and you'll like it, because you're the audience and too stupid to know any better". And all the while using the success of Silence Of The Lambs as a springboard for the marketing of this parody.

It's called "Hannibal", and yet we get no insight into his character or why he is the way he is (something the novel at least attempted, in a hamfisted way). We spend too much time with Hannibal and discover that he's not actually that interesting. If you're going to demystify your boogeyman, you should at least offer up some sort of insight to compensate. Hannibal (the movie) turns the boogeyman into an "camp and dusty old culture vulture", as my friend put it.

I know there are plenty of people who'll defend the film. I'm glad someone was able to enjoy it. I just found it painfully bad in almost every department.
post #38 of 40
And hey, there are worse travesties you know...

<img src="http://www.moviecity.nl/images/posters/silence_hams.jpg" alt="" />

I mean, jesus'-felching-fuck-cakes !
post #39 of 40
I really loved Hannibal. As a Beauty and the Beast-type monster movie, it follows the genre's tradition of unrequited love. At heart it's a deep, dark romance and taken on that level, I think it works wonderfully.

Thirty years ago, Hannibal would've been a classic AIP Vincent Price vehicle. It follows the Phibes/Theater of Blood formula of cultured, romantic villains who exact a baroque, bloody revenge against the lesser men who have wronged him or wronged the object of his affection.

While it wasn't the crime thriller that people might've wanted or expected I thought it succeeded perfectly on its own terms.
post #40 of 40
Thread Starter 
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While it wasn't the crime thriller that people might've wanted or expected I thought it succeeded perfectly on its own terms.[/QB]
That is exactly my point. This movie is meant to be on it's own terms. This is a stand alone movie. Sure, it is compatable with Silence/Manhunter/Red Dragon...whatever, but the movie is set so that you don't have to see the previous Lector movies to understand this one. That is what "stand- alone" means.

Maybe I should have been more clear. People aren't idiots for calling it a sequel(which it is), but it's just half-assed to leave it as that. It's more than a sequel, again it's a stand alone movie.

If someone didn't like Hannibal because it wasn't as good as Silence, that's lame IMO. It's apples and oranges. I think it get's waaay too much bad mouth because it is always being comparred to Silence which is on of the most important horror films ever. I've said before, other than the characters of Starling and Hannibal, it's a totally different movie. It should be viewed that way, not as Silence of the Lambs part 2.

Now if someone didn't like Hannibal because they thought it sucked, then I can understand that. Hell, I don't even care if someone likes it or hates it now! Love it! Go on, I don't care!

I liked it, and thought it was an overall well made movie, with the only flaw being the story/script if you didn't like it. Everything else about the movie was incredibally well made. I would think a "film/video guy" would be able to notice that much.

Oh well.

- Fixxxer
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