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post #351 of 453
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Did anyone ever see "Nancy," the Heather Langenkamp one? I had to sign a release when I met her at a con because they were filming the doc at the time.

I looked like shit back then, so I hope they cut me out.

I saw it and most of the people there looked like hell so I don't know if you made it or not.

post #352 of 453
But I looked like shit. I'd've loved to look like hell.
post #353 of 453

I've got a question.  What exactly happened to Chuck Russell's career?  He had a nice little run there with DREAM WARRIORS, THE BLOB remake, and THE MASK.  Then it just sort of fizzled out.  Did he end up on some kind of blacklist or was it a self-imposed exile?

post #354 of 453
I hear it tough to make it in showbiz.
post #355 of 453

Russell just talked with Adam Green and Joe Lynch on their Movie Crypt podcast. Pretty good conversation:

http://geeknation.com/podcasts/the-movie-crypt-ep-193-chuck-russell/

post #356 of 453
I know someone who worked on an Adam Green movie. It sounded like the shits.
post #357 of 453

El Rey is having an Elm Street weekend.  The first five films and select episodes of "Freddy's Nightmares" will be played.

 

This was done last year for Valentine's Day as well.  Not a bad thing to start doing annually.

post #358 of 453
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Russell just talked with Adam Green and Joe Lynch on their Movie Crypt podcast. Pretty good conversation:

http://geeknation.com/podcasts/the-movie-crypt-ep-193-chuck-russell/

 

Thanks for the link, will definitely give it a listen.

post #359 of 453

Lisa Wilcox (aka Alice Johnson of The Dream Master and The Dream Child) has a YouTube channel, and she's been revisiting locales from the fourth film.  I'm not sure how many she's planning, but the tidbits have been interesting so far:

 

 

 

post #360 of 453

I love it when Cracked.com actually goes for deep articles.

 

The ‘Nightmare On Elm Street’ Series Is Deeper Than You Know

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 But little did viewers realize that, beneath the puns and fantastical dream stabbings, there was an allegory about what it's like to grow up. Tired, horny teenagers might have been getting murdered by a burn victim with a butcher shop for a hand, but in the grander scheme of things, they were just playing out their roles in a larger tale that starts with puberty and ends at death.
post #361 of 453

Thought this was pretty funny.  Vintage HBO interview with Freddy on the set of DREAM WARRIORS.  It's always odd to hear Englund's Freddy voice without it being artificially brought to the lower register we hear in the films, but it's a great display of just how committed a ham he is:

 

 

 

By the same token, Freddy talking trash at the cheesy press conference done for FREDDY VS. JASON:

 

 

post #362 of 453

Something that blows my mind is that in this interview with Mark Patton, dated 2010, he claims that he still received residuals for FREDDY'S REVENGE every month.  And I can't imagine that's stopped since; the movie has shown up on Netflix multiple times over the years.

 

That's awesome, but also kind of shocking.  I mean, considering that New Line was notorious for bilking key players out of profit participation (from Peter Jackson to Wes Craven himself), the fact that NIGHTMARE 2 was long regarded as the worst of the series, and the fact that this was Patton's first starring role, you really have to hand it to Patton's agent.

post #363 of 453

Horror movies are made cheap so potentially have a larger return on investment.  Also, risiduals are usually for video and TV, not box office.

post #364 of 453

I just think it's amazing that he had the negotiating power to secure any kind of back-end at all.

post #365 of 453

If you're going to be starring in a successful franchise, it's not that hard for your representation to at least get you residuals.  Residuals are pretty standard.  Any nobody can get that.

post #366 of 453

So apparently, back in the day John Saxon wrote a prequel to Craven's original Elm Street film.  Crazy.

 

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3453228/john-saxon-wrote-insane-elm-street-prequel-back-1987/

post #367 of 453
I don't think I'd ever really want to see the Freddy Krueger molester years as a movie. He works best with the horror mixed with the fantastic and a little bit of humor.

That said, the director of the new Annabelle wants to take a shot at a new Nightmare movie. Not a remake but a continuation. Robert Englund might be too old to reprise the role so I wonder how they'd do it? I assume the Jackie Earle Haley ship has sailed.

http://www.slashfilm.com/david-f-sandberg-a-nightmare-on-elm-street-or-critters-reboot/
post #368 of 453
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I don't think I'd ever really want to see the Freddy Krueger molester years as a movie. He works best with the horror mixed with the fantastic and a little bit of humor.

That said, the director of the new Annabelle wants to take a shot at a new Nightmare movie. Not a remake but a continuation. Robert Englund might be too old to reprise the role so I wonder how they'd do it? I assume the Jackie Earle Haley ship has sailed.

http://www.slashfilm.com/david-f-sandberg-a-nightmare-on-elm-street-or-critters-reboot/

I'm more interested in a Critters reboot....
post #369 of 453
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I don't think I'd ever really want to see the Freddy Krueger molester years as a movie. 

 

You didn't read the story did you?

post #370 of 453
Charles Manson?!
post #371 of 453
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You didn't read the story did you?

Nope.

But I did now. It's interesting. But would've changed everything after the first. It would've made a more interesting sequel (prequel) than 2 but I'm happy with 3 so that prequel most likely would've nixed it.

The reboot kind of played with the whole innocent angle.
post #372 of 453

Honestly it's far more interesting than any shit Hollywood has been doing.  Very out of the box.  

post #373 of 453
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Robert Englund might be too old to reprise the role so I wonder how they'd do it?

It would mean less money on make-up at least.

post #374 of 453
Making Freddy innocent is baffling. Wouldn't he go after the parents in their dreams rather the kids?

"I'll show you how innocent I am by doing what you wrongfully accused me of doing!"
post #375 of 453
I was once accused of stealing a guy's bike. And when I was found innocent, I stole the bastard's car!
post #376 of 453
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Robert Englund might be too old to reprise the role so I wonder how they'd do it? I assume the Jackie Earle Haley ship has sailed.

http://www.slashfilm.com/david-f-sandberg-a-nightmare-on-elm-street-or-critters-reboot/

 

Have it still be England but use Peter Jackson's take. Isn't that the one where Freddy is pathetically depowered and teens love falling asleep so they can kick his ass?

post #377 of 453
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Making Freddy innocent is baffling. Wouldn't he go after the parents in their dreams rather the kids?

"I'll show you how innocent I am by doing what you wrongfully accused me of doing!"

 

It actually makes perfect sense if you realize Freddy is trying to get revenge in the worst way possible.

post #378 of 453
I don't see why Englund can't come back. If they do, make his charred skin good for god's sake. I think the best it had ever looked was at the end of the first Nightmare where he comes out of Nancy's mother's bed and his skin is glistening in the blue light, steam rolling off.

As for another Critters, do not move on without the Chiodo brothers. Their design and puppetry were why people loved that film.
Edited by Carnotaur3 - 8/18/17 at 7:18am
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post #380 of 453
What's dumb about making Krueger innocent is that it makes it too easy to see what was done to him as wrong. That's the neat thing about NOES and something that's not talked about a whole lot. Krueger is a horrendous piece of shit and wildly unsympathetic, but that doesn't mean the parents were in the right. Krueger is a monster, but by abandoning their moral authority for vigilante justice, the parents utterly failed their children.
post #381 of 453
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What's dumb about making Krueger innocent is that it makes it too easy to see what was done to him as wrong. That's the neat thing about NOES and something that's not talked about a whole lot. Krueger is a horrendous piece of shit and wildly unsympathetic, but that doesn't mean the parents were in the right. Krueger is a monster, but by abandoning their moral authority for vigilante justice, the parents utterly failed their children.

Well it gets slightly more complicated though when he was let off on a technicality. Had they left him alone you may be looking at more dead kids. 

 

Making him innocent would at least complicate your feelings toward him. 

post #382 of 453

Remember the remake where they were all like "Maybe we should present the idea that Krueger didn't do it and then twist! HE DID DO IT!"

 

Yeah. Fuck that movie.

post #383 of 453
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Remember the remake where they were all like "Maybe we should present the idea that Krueger didn't do it and then twist! HE DID DO IT!"

 

Yeah. Fuck that movie.

Yes, that was odd. Like why even introduce it if you are going to abandon it.

post #384 of 453

Thank God I skipped the remake.

post #385 of 453

They should've gone the Groundskeeper Willie route. The parents just didn't help put out his fire.

 

post #386 of 453
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

What's dumb about making Krueger innocent is that it makes it too easy to see what was done to him as wrong. That's the neat thing about NOES and something that's not talked about a whole lot. Krueger is a horrendous piece of shit and wildly unsympathetic, but that doesn't mean the parents were in the right. Krueger is a monster, but by abandoning their moral authority for vigilante justice, the parents utterly failed their children.

 

The thing I like about the innocent angle though is it's like those great Twilight Zone eps like The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, where it shows the horrors of groupthink and the townspeople end up being worse than their supposed target, while hammering home this theme of man creating his own monsters (with the dream angle being a brilliant outgrowth of that).  Not that Craven's original origin doesn't work, but Saxon's thing isn't a horrible retcon for me and pretty damn interesting.

post #387 of 453
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They should've gone the Groundskeeper Willie route. The parents just didn't help put out his fire.

 

 

I'm sorry, but I'm just not comfortable with kids eating two spaghetti meals in one day.

 

Willie could wait.

post #388 of 453
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They should've gone the Groundskeeper Willie route. The parents just didn't help put out his fire.

 

 

I had to look up Groundskeeper Willie to find out what episode this was and I saw a blurb from his wiki page as:

 

"stereotypical angry Scottish man with a heavy Scottish accent."

 

There's a stereotypical angry Scottish man?  That's a thing?

post #389 of 453

On this day in 1991, we lost him.  

 

 

For a near-seven-year-old, Freddy sure did a lot of damage.

post #390 of 453
They saved the best... for the third movie.
post #391 of 453

Freddy's Dead is such a weird film, but that's by design with Rachel Talalay at the helm.  She worked with John Waters a few times, and she clearly has similar sensibilities.  I would never call it good, but I find it strangely watchable.  

 

Tank Girl is better, though when it comes to Talalay's work.  I haven't seen Ghost in the Machine since the late 90s, and barely remember a thing about it.  

post #392 of 453
It is a bummer that we got FREDDY'S DEAD for Part 6. I think Talalay directing was a decision made early on, and New Line golden boy Mike De Luca was the one writing the script for her, which probably ensured it would be the version that got greenlit. Ideally, Talalay would have directed Jackson's script. I suspect studio politics denied us that.
post #393 of 453
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Freddy's Dead is such a weird film, but that's by design with Rachel Talalay at the helm.  She worked with John Waters a few times, and she clearly has similar sensibilities.  I would never call it good, but I find it strangely watchable.  

 

Tank Girl is better, though when it comes to Talalay's work.  I haven't seen Ghost in the Machine since the late 90s, and barely remember a thing about it.  

To be honest it's one of the Nightmare films I watch a lot of. I can'y explain to you why that is but there you go. Also I recently discovered the blonde girl with the abusing father was also in 976 Evil. And did you know the Goo Goo Dolls did the main song? And Breckin Meyer was in it with cameos by Roseanne and Tom Arnold. FUCKING 90S BITCH.

post #394 of 453
I absolutely HATE Freddy's Dead. It's neck and neck with Jason Goes to Hell as one of the few movies of this sub genre that I probably will never watch again.

Elm Street is a pretty healthy, dependably cool entertaining series up to part 5. Of course the original is tops and a genuine classic. And part 3 is an almost shockingly good movie in every way. And parts 4 and 5 are good looking and perfectly entertaining flicks that more than give a fan their money's worth...even if they're probably a little too similar. It's part 2 that gets the most undeserved flack. I think that's at LEAST the third best of the series. Its a genuinely creepy movie and Freddy is probably at his most scary in it. Sure it doesn't really fit with the rest of them (but I can make it canonical with very little mental gymnastics) but it's a horror movie through and through and is probably up there with The Breakfast Club as THE most 80s movie ever. So...Elm Streets 1-5 and FvJ. Anything outside of those I ain't payin money for..
post #395 of 453
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To be honest it's one of the Nightmare films I watch a lot of. I can'y explain to you why that is but there you go. Also I recently discovered the blonde girl with the abusing father was also in 976 Evil. And did you know the Goo Goo Dolls did the main song? And Breckin Meyer was in it with cameos by Roseanne and Tom Arnold. FUCKING 90S BITCH.

 

I have the soundtrack on CD around here somewhere.  I'm pretty sure the Goo Goo Dolls and Iggy Pop tracks were only released on the soundtrack, and can't be found on any other releases (plus, the GGD song has a single release, which must be super rare because I've never seen one go on sale).  I'm not sure about some of the other tracks.

 

Here's the Freddy-inspired music video for the Goo Goo Dolls track, "I'm Awake Now."

 

 

Those guys really dabbled with different directions before hitting it with big with the pop rock ballads.

 

The Iggy Pop song starts off the end credits for that Freddy montage.  I think it's a pretty cool song!

 

post #396 of 453

Alright heres where I get sadder.....both of those songs are in the film. The Goo Goo Dolls song plays at the beginning and the Iggy Pop song plays over the end credits.

post #397 of 453
I think the songs only play if you have the 3D glasses on.
post #398 of 453

Mick Garris did a great Wes Craven tribute episode of his podcast with Robert Englund that's worth checking out.

post #399 of 453
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I absolutely HATE Freddy's Dead. It's neck and neck with Jason Goes to Hell as one of the few movies of this sub genre that I probably will never watch again.

Elm Street is a pretty healthy, dependably cool entertaining series up to part 5. Of course the original is tops and a genuine classic. And part 3 is an almost shockingly good movie in every way. And parts 4 and 5 are good looking and perfectly entertaining flicks that more than give a fan their money's worth...even if they're probably a little too similar. It's part 2 that gets the most undeserved flack. I think that's at LEAST the third best of the series. Its a genuinely creepy movie and Freddy is probably at his most scary in it. Sure it doesn't really fit with the rest of them (but I can make it canonical with very little mental gymnastics) but it's a horror movie through and through and is probably up there with The Breakfast Club as THE most 80s movie ever. So...Elm Streets 1-5 and FvJ. Anything outside of those I ain't payin money for..

 

Ignoring New Nightmare... fraid, you disappoint me. 

post #400 of 453
It ain't bad. I'm just not crazy about it. I could watch it again. And I'm sure I might someday. I just don't really want to...or feel like I need to might be a better way to put it..
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