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post #451 of 495

Yeah, the Freebird possession in FREDDY VS. JASON definitely seems to be a direct nod to FREDDY'S REVENGE.  

 

FREDDY'S REVENGE is also the installment that names the town Springwood.

post #452 of 495
I really really like Elm Street 2. Un-ironically.

And I've always canonized it by just assuming that what happens in 2 is due to there being so much left over evil residue in the house from the events in the first movie..
post #453 of 495

Damn, it sucks that that documentary isn't out for another year.

post #454 of 495

I never even heard of this:

 

http://bloody-disgusting.com/music/3470803/1987-album-freddys-greatest-hits-getting-vinyl-re-release/

 

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Also released in ’87, Freddy’s Greatest Hits was one of the more unique spinoffs from the film franchise. A nine-track novelty album put out by RIC Records on vinyl LP and cassette, Freddy’s Greatest Hits was from the fictional, one-off band The Elm Street Group, and it included a mix of covers and original songs such as “Do the Freddy.”

The album has become increasingly hard to come by, currently selling for no less than $50 on eBay. But have no fear, because it’s getting an affordable new re-release!

 

Going up for grabs at noon CST this Wednesday, November 22, Mondo and Strange Disc present Freddy’s Greatest Hits on “Freddy Sweater” striped vinyl. Limited to 400 copies, the re-release will be selling for $25, with orders expected to ship January 2018.

 

“This record contains nine tracks, a mix of covers (from the likes of Wilson Pickett, The Everly Brothers, Sam the Sham and The Pharaohs) and original songs and instrumentals. The album is everything you expect it to be: screaming ’80s drum machines and distortion filled electric guitars being drowned out by synthesizers. Over the top of these songs is Robert Englund doing the voice (and manic laugh) of Freddy Krueger. The actual music-making was done by the Elm Street Group, who were much respected studio musicians working for RIC records. Featuring artists like Kevin Kelly and Alan Brewer who both contributed to Rick Wakeman’s soundtrack for THE BURNING.”

 

post #455 of 495

I can't say I like "Do the Freddy."

 

post #456 of 495
What about The Fat Boys song that Freddy raps in? Think it was used at the end of THE DREAM MASTER.
post #457 of 495
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I can't say I like "Do the Freddy."

 


Englund's laughs and bizarre screams (looped over and over) are what make this a special kind of bad.

post #458 of 495

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET PART 2: FREDDY'S REVENGE is not only unfairly maligned, but it's actually the best of the sequels, surpassing even fan favorite DREAM WARRIORS.

Best Freddy make-up. Evocative Christopher Young score. Constant interweaving of dream and reality (did Jesse REALLY go to that bar; and if not, how did he end up at the school in the middle if the night?). Fantastic use of "dream logic" (the Everytown USA that suddenly turns into a desert!). And above all else: a wonderful subversive quality (i.e. "the gay stuff") that I think is the primary reason why the film is resisted by sexually insecure Horror Fanboys when it's exactly the sort of ingredient that set the first film in a class above it's Slasher peers -- the so-called "perversions," lies, and hypocrisy that peer our from behind picket fences.

It's a sequel that, failure or no, attempts to do something more than simply remake the original -- and most importantly, it's the last film in which Freddy is scary.

post #459 of 495
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A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET PART 2: FREDDY'S REVENGE is not only unfairly maligned, but it's actually the best of the sequels, surpassing even fan favorite DREAM WARRIORS.

Best Freddy make-up. Evocative Christopher Young score. Constant interweaving of dream and reality (did Jesse REALLY go to that bar; and if not, how did he end up at the school in the middle if the night?). Fantastic use of "dream logic" (the Everytown USA that suddenly turns into a desert!). And above all else: a wonderful subversive quality (i.e. "the gay stuff") that I think is the primary reason why the film is resisted by sexually insecure Horror Fanboys when it's exactly the sort of ingredient that set the first film in a class above it's Slasher peers -- the so-called "perversions," lies, and hypocrisy that peer our from behind picket fences.

It's a sequel that, failure or no, attempts to do something more than simply remake the original -- and most importantly, it's the last film in which Freddy is scary.


I agree with all of this (except for it being the best of the sequels, because I love NEW NIGHTMARE).  I do think fan opinion on this one is ever so slowly, ever so slightly coming around on it.

post #460 of 495
NEW NIGHTMARE is smart and stylish.

Never as effective as FREDDY’S REVENGE when it’s actually working, though. At least I’m my opinion.

The transformation scene, while being an AMERICAN WEREWOLF facsimile, is effective as hell...especially the confrontation in the mirror.
post #461 of 495
The subsequent beat, the death of Grady, is pretty vicious too. I can't remember if the comment was made here or somewhere else, but Englund has a really evil "Yeah, that's right you fucker" expression on his face after he puts his hat on that's just marvelous.
post #462 of 495
Freddy is nasty in this one.

He’s pervy in the first film.
Sadistic in FREDDY’S REVENGE.
Playful in DREAM WARRIORS.
An MTV VJ in DREAM MASTER.
A caricature in DREAM CHILD.
A cartoon in FREDDY’S DEAD.
A reinterpretation in NEW NIGHTMARE.
A guy who can’t stop calling everyone “bitch” in FREDDY VS. JASON: DAWN OF JUSTICE.

And really fucking short in the remake.
post #463 of 495
The best Elm Street song has got to be Will Smith's, right?
post #464 of 495
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And really fucking short in the remake.

There is a shot in the first film where he is even shorter. That scene of the little stunt double running after Nancy is one of the funniest things ever.

post #465 of 495
in which scene?
post #466 of 495
I was oh so tempted to watch the remake to see if Haley did the role any justice but apparently even he can’t save the movie.

The idea to go with realism for the burns intrigued me.
post #467 of 495

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I was oh so tempted to watch the remake to see if Haley did the role any justice but apparently even he can’t save the movie.

The idea to go with realism for the burns intrigued me.

Don't waste your time.  There is nothing in the remake worth seeing.  It's abysmal.

post #468 of 495
I think he did do the part justice....as far as such a crappy movie and script allowed. If they made another, better attempt at it with Haley back in the role....I'd see it..
post #469 of 495

Haley's fine, but the script REALLY doesn't serve him well.

post #470 of 495

I don't think Haley would be back.  I think it was Brad Fuller who said Haley had a miserable time during production, and that he was "difficult" to work with.

 

Considering the script, I'm sure Haley realized quickly he wasn't involved with a good film.  Considering the reaction, I think he'd likely steer clear of any reboot.

 

Robert Englund suggested Kevin Bacon recently, and Bacon retweeteed an article about it.  Hmmm....

post #471 of 495
I’d totally be down for some crispy Bacon!
post #472 of 495
I remember Billy Bob Thorton being a rumor a long time ago. That'd be....different..
post #473 of 495

For the eventual next reboot/remake/whatever, I'd say go with an unknown for Freddy, or at least someone not well known (a la Skarsgard in IT).  If you want some "name" wattage, cast up the supporting roles with them.

post #474 of 495

Gosling said in a QnA for Only God Forgives that Freddy would be his dream role. I'd watch it.

post #475 of 495
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Gosling said in a QnA for Only God Forgives that Freddy would be his dream role. I'd watch it.


I'd watch it, too, but I think I'd have a hard time not seeing Gosling just playing dress-up.

post #476 of 495
Zack Ward.
post #477 of 495

Depp could always return to the series. 

post #478 of 495
No more Johnny Depp characters, please.
post #479 of 495

But Freddy does wear a funny hat... Just add some scarfs and we're good to go.

post #480 of 495
With all the make up / prothetics, woukd it matter to have a name actor?
post #481 of 495
Movie stars complicate horror films.

Watching Horror is like watching porn: we get off by imagining ourselves in the situation. And like porn, Horror is the one genre where quote-unquote Movie Stars aren't only unnecessary, but act as a detriment to our ability to suspend disbelief and just rub one out.

These films have always served as a training ground for young, exploitable talent. Every once in a while you get a Johnny Depp or a Kevin Bacon who emerge from the carnage to go on to bigger and better (?) things, but more often than not, the stars find themselves locked into a successful career touring convention circuits and charging you to get your picture taken with them. Hey, more power to them. Their careers might not have longevity, but in many cases, their characters didn't even have names. Look, it's Obnoxious Fat Kid Who Gets an Arrow Through The Throat. Racist Asian Stereotype. Vampire With Long Blonde Hair. The Guy Who Plays Leatherface in The One Renee Zellweger Pretends She Didn't Make.

This isn't exactly Shakespeare in most cases, but it doesn't need to be. The characters are audience stand-ins who die (or kill) in ways that tap into our collective fears and prey on shared phobias. The fact that the cast is simultaneously as unknown and yet familiar as a group of kids screaming drunkenly in the Taco Bell drive-thru at 3AM, is what allows us to both despise and identify with them. Thus, that hoary staple of the genre: SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF!

And isn't this why Horror films with actors we recognize fail to give us that same jolt? It doesn't matter where they are on the food chain -- SMALLVILLE or SCHINDLER'S LIST -- when we know the actor is an actor, then we remember it's also just a movie. In the post-SCREAM 90s, Slasher flicks got a slick, commercial facelift, giving us movies with Jennifer Love Hewett, Sarah Michelle Gellar, and countless other pretentious people who use all three of their names. We got "serious" Horror like THE RING ("Naiomi Watts AND Brian Cox...?"), THE SIXTH SENSE ("The guy from DIE HARD!"), and a whole bunch of other po-faced gloomy un-Funs starring Jennifer Connelly and Gabriel Byrne and Anthony Hopkins and Nicole Kidman and Jessica Chastain, etc etc, et al, ad infinitum. How scared can you get during a film starring Jessica Biel when:

1) If they kill her in the movie, it's not going to affect you, because she's just an actress and thus not a real person; and

2) She's a Movie Star, so they're not gonna kill her, anyway. They'll kill the characters played by actors we don't know. You know: the Audience Identifiers!

There are those will rightly point out that the early Slashers featured a washed up has-been in a supporting role (Donald Pleasance, Betsy Palmer, John Saxon), or that "prestige Horror" has give us appearances by legendary character actors (Max von Sydow) or aging leading men (Gregory Peck). There's definitely an argument to be made for appropriate usage. However, one could also argue that Horror is made primarily for younger audiences, and how many of them were watching Ingmar Bergman films, anyway? As Sean Cunningham said, producers were looking for kids to headline these films that looked like they'd walked right out of a Pepsi commercial -- because ordinary people identify with ordinary people.*

And if you take it to the next step and make your villain a Movie Star, you’ve already unmasked the monster, and robbed it of its ability to frighten you.

*But not with ORDINARY PEOPLE (1980).
post #482 of 495
Has there been a draft for NOES?
post #483 of 495

No movie stars in horror please!

 

post #484 of 495
Not quite sure that’s the same thing, but okay, sure.
post #485 of 495

I remember in the lead up to the Haley remake, there was buzz that the film was going to confront the child molester stuff head on, and that seemed like a great idea. Making Freddy actually a horrifying character, really engaging with something the original run really danced around by referring to him as a 'child killer'. Maybe a return to form from goofy mascot Freddy.

 

Nope. BAD idea, it turns out. Real bad idea.

post #486 of 495
Especially since it rendered his finger-knives pointless.

Why would he have the glove if he wasn’t killing anyone?

I enjoyed that the film flirted with the McMartin Preschool angle, as well as the Satanic Panic and False Memory Syndrome thing from the 80s, but the film was never brave enough to make Freddy innocent.
post #487 of 495
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Especially since it rendered his finger-knives pointless.

Why would he have the glove if he wasn’t killing anyone?

I enjoyed that the film flirted with the McMartin Preschool angle, as well as the Satanic Panic and False Memory Syndrome thing from the 80s, but the film was never brave enough to make Freddy innocent.

I know and it would have been a really great angle to play. Falsely accused and burned alive? Yeah, time to dream kill.

post #488 of 495

It actually would have been pretty smart, and it would have worked with Haley, and the film's super-serious vibe. Might have given him a Universal Monster type pathos.

 

But they'd have fucked it up anyway, the evidence suggests.

post #489 of 495
Beyond sympathy, it could have introduced a Freddy who was vicious rather than funny, or even pervy. He wanted revenge for being genuinely wronged. It would have completely altered the entire concept, and offered a different and very interesting take if the protagonists were no longer sympathetic.
post #490 of 495
I always thought Englund's Krueger saw himself as wronged as well. "Those lawyers got me off!"

I have a hard time accepting a version of Freddy that is innocent. Not being innocent feels such a fundamental part of his identity, and set the character apart from a lot of iconic movie monsters that preceded him. Freddy isn't just out for revenge - he enjoys what he does.
post #491 of 495
Oh, totally agreed.

I’m just saying that if they were going to do something different to justify a remake, making Freddy innocent almost justifies the endeavor.
post #492 of 495
Craven understood that the only way forward was to change the recipe altogether - and that was a mere three years after the series concluded. Still, the remake has a bigger issue than lacking original ideas: it just flat out sucks from top to bottom.

The thing is, while I am sure that a decent, modern Nightmare movie could be made, there is something so intrinsically 80s about this series that cannot be recaptured. I think what makes the original movies so special even at their worst is that they truly are time capsules. Even FREDDY'S DEAD becomes interesting through that prism: that movie is blowing up a preceding decade as much as a title character. And its ill-fitting TWIN PEAKS suit is perhaps an indication that Freddy was never going to work for the 90s. Or maybe they should have just produced Peter Jackson's script.

All that said, I would have absolutely watched Platinum Dunes make abortions out of FREDDY'S REVENGE and DREAM WARRIORS. Actually, I would love to see some closure on Jesse Walsh. Since we can safely assume the final scene is a nightmare, it is interesting to think about what would have happened next for him. The idea that he wouldn't have been on the hook for at least the murder of the coach and the best friend is laughable.
post #493 of 495

If I were steering the property going forward, I wouldn't concern myself with trying to reboot the character, or with remaking the first movie again.  I'd just pick up the story as if it were a new NIGHTMARE sequel (in a new continuity and with a new actor, of course).  Freddy's a legend, lots of kids have died mysteriously over the years, and a new family moves to Elm Street.  A body count ensues.

 

Keep it simple in terms of mythology.  Then if that movie is successful, you can play around with weirder ideas in the next movie.

post #494 of 495
I know exactly how to remake it/go forward. Ahhhh if only I were in Hollywood and had a shot. I could really give you all something special..
post #495 of 495
I'm sure this comparison has been made, but catching up on this thread, seeing Freddy's hat gave me deja vu.

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It's the Frank Miller hat!

I've still only seen the first 2 movies. Might as well do the others in order.
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