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Thread Starter 
...and now The Terminator happens.

Granted, you have to consider the source. But monkeys are making knives and robots are getting ready to rebel. I'mma pray to Superman.
post #2 of 42
And he'll say, "No."
post #3 of 42
I just stomped my Roomba to death as a precaution.
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...and now The Terminator happens.

Granted, you have to consider the source. But monkeys are making knives and robots are getting ready to rebel. I'mma pray to Superman.
Shameless plug! Teh ROBUTZ r COMING!
post #5 of 42
It might be a good idea to start looking into Old Glory Life Insurance.
post #6 of 42
Damn, the T4 viral marketing is kicking it into gear, isn't it?

And we laugh now, but one day, we'll look back to this article and go 'Fuck, I saw this coming and I did nothing'.

What next? Robot Chimps? I mean, fuck it, might as well, right?
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Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
...and now The Terminator happens.

Granted, you have to consider the source. But monkeys are making knives and robots are getting ready to rebel. I'mma pray to Superman.
Not really new news as this was dropped a while ago. However as is, this platform is designed to be deployed from a missile to intercept warheads.
post #8 of 42
Thread Starter 
Isn't that kind of what Skynet was? Stop living in denial, billylove.
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Here's a video of the hover test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM
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Isn't that kind of what Skynet was? Stop living in denial, billylove.
I have my weapon stockpile. I just need a dog.
post #11 of 42
So has nobody thought to program in the Laws of Robotics yet? I mean, just as a precautionary measure.
post #12 of 42
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So has nobody thought to program in the Laws of Robotics yet? I mean, just as a precautionary measure.
3 Laws only works if it's defense against weapons. No war machines then.

And what's to stop others from re-programming?
post #13 of 42
Jesus Christ, this did NOT have to be included in that article.



Cropped from photo: the crushed skull of its inferior creator.
post #14 of 42
What a useless article, and if the report funded by the government was mainly about this, somebody please let the president know so that we can cut this type of waste.
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Originally Posted by Don S. View Post
It might be a good idea to start looking into Old Glory Life Insurance.
Time to get out my "Sam Waterson was right!" t-shirts.
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What a useless article, and if the report funded by the government was mainly about this, somebody please let the president know so that we can cut this type of waste.
I'll get right on that. Rod up your ass much?
post #17 of 42
No. Just find it utterly pointless to come up with a report that says that, implying that we're anywhere near real AI to be worrying about this problem. And statements like the one about code being written by different teams is laughable. That is true of any large system today and not unique to this problem, and saying that doesn't mean that a large system is not coordinated by people above the level of implementation.
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Thread Starter 
So...rod up your ass much?
post #19 of 42
A retired physicist once told me that the only two things he ever routinely worried about were sentient AI and rogue asteroids. He's not crazy, either - he still holds around 50 patents and was special advisor to the Secretary of Energy in the 90's.
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That's why you almost never see physicists as system engineers.
post #21 of 42
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So...rod up your ass much?
I think the rod up his ass has a rod up it's ass...
post #22 of 42
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
No. Just find it utterly pointless to come up with a report that says that, implying that we're anywhere near real AI to be worrying about this problem. And statements like the one about code being written by different teams is laughable. That is true of any large system today and not unique to this problem, and saying that doesn't mean that a large system is not coordinated by people above the level of implementation.

You say that now!

post #23 of 42
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
What next? Robot Chimps? I mean, fuck it, might as well, right?
Oh, we're halfway there already.
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One step closer to...

post #25 of 42
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
No. Just find it utterly pointless to come up with a report that says that, implying that we're anywhere near real AI to be worrying about this problem.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.../art0134.html/

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The following provides a brief overview of the law of accelerating returns as it applies to the double exponential growth of computation. This model considers the impact of the growing power of the technology to foster its own next generation. For example, with more powerful computers and related technology, we have the tools and the knowledge to design yet more powerful computers, and to do so more quickly.

Note that the data for the year 2000 and beyond assume neural net connection calculations as it is expected that this type of calculation will ultimately dominate, particularly in emulating human brain functions. This type of calculation is less expensive than conventional (e.g., Pentium III / IV) calculations by a factor of at least 100 (particularly if implemented using digital controlled analog electronics, which would correspond well to the brain's digital controlled analog electrochemical processes). A factor of 100 translates into approximately 6 years (today) and less than 6 years later in the twenty-first century.

My estimate of brain capacity is 100 billion neurons times an average 1,000 connections per neuron (with the calculations taking place primarily in the connections) times 200 calculations per second. Although these estimates are conservatively high, one can find higher and lower estimates. However, even much higher (or lower) estimates by orders of magnitude only shift the prediction by a relatively small number of years.

Some prominent dates from this analysis include the following:

* We achieve one Human Brain capability (2 * 10^16 cps) for $1,000 around the year 2023.
* We achieve one Human Brain capability (2 * 10^16 cps) for one cent around the year 2037.
* We achieve one Human Race capability (2 * 10^26 cps) for $1,000 around the year 2049.
* We achieve one Human Race capability (2 * 10^26 cps) for one cent around the year 2059.
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The Software of Intelligence

So far, I've been talking about the hardware of computing. The software is even more salient. One of the principal assumptions underlying the expectation of the Singularity is the ability of nonbiological mediums to emulate the richness, subtlety, and depth of human thinking. Achieving the computational capacity of the human brain, or even villages and nations of human brains will not automatically produce human levels of capability. By human levels I include all the diverse and subtle ways in which humans are intelligent, including musical and artistic aptitude, creativity, physically moving through the world, and understanding and responding appropriately to emotion. The requisite hardware capacity is a necessary but not sufficient condition. The organization and content of these resources--the software of intelligence--is also critical.

Before addressing this issue, it is important to note that once a computer achieves a human level of intelligence, it will necessarily soar past it. A key advantage of nonbiological intelligence is that machines can easily share their knowledge. If I learn French, or read War and Peace, I can't readily download that learning to you. You have to acquire that scholarship the same painstaking way that I did. My knowledge, embedded in a vast pattern of neurotransmitter concentrations and interneuronal connections, cannot be quickly accessed or transmitted. But we won't leave out quick downloading ports in our nonbiological equivalents of human neuron clusters. When one computer learns a skill or gains an insight, it can immediately share that wisdom with billions of other machines.

As a contemporary example, we spent years teaching one research computer how to recognize continuous human speech. We exposed it to thousands of hours of recorded speech, corrected its errors, and patiently improved its performance. Finally, it became quite adept at recognizing speech (I dictated most of my recent book to it). Now if you want your own personal computer to recognize speech, it doesn't have to go through the same process; you can just download the fully trained patterns in seconds. Ultimately, billions of nonbiological entities can be the master of all human and machine acquired knowledge.

In addition, computers are potentially millions of times faster than human neural circuits. A computer can also remember billions or even trillions of facts perfectly, while we are hard pressed to remember a handful of phone numbers. The combination of human level intelligence in a machine with a computer's inherent superiority in the speed, accuracy, and sharing ability of its memory will be formidable.

There are a number of compelling scenarios to achieve higher levels of intelligence in our computers, and ultimately human levels and beyond. We will be able to evolve and train a system combining massively parallel neural nets with other paradigms to understand language and model knowledge, including the ability to read and model the knowledge contained in written documents. Unlike many contemporary "neural net" machines, which use mathematically simplified models of human neurons, some contemporary neural nets are already using highly detailed models of human neurons, including detailed nonlinear analog activation functions and other relevant details. Although the ability of today's computers to extract and learn knowledge from natural language documents is limited, their capabilities in this domain are improving rapidly. Computers will be able to read on their own, understanding and modeling what they have read, by the second decade of the twenty-first century. We can then have our computers read all of the world's literature--books, magazines, scientific journals, and other available material. Ultimately, the machines will gather knowledge on their own by venturing out on the web, or even into the physical world, drawing from the full spectrum of media and information services, and sharing knowledge with each other (which machines can do far more easily than their human creators).
Reverse Engineering the Human Brain

The most compelling scenario for mastering the software of intelligence is to tap into the blueprint of the best example we can get our hands on of an intelligent process. There is no reason why we cannot reverse engineer the human brain, and essentially copy its design. Although it took its original designer several billion years to develop, it's readily available to us, and not (yet) copyrighted. Although there's a skull around the brain, it is not hidden from our view.

The most immediately accessible way to accomplish this is through destructive scanning: we take a frozen brain, preferably one frozen just slightly before rather than slightly after it was going to die anyway, and examine one brain layer--one very thin slice--at a time. We can readily see every neuron and every connection and every neurotransmitter concentration represented in each synapse-thin layer.

Human brain scanning has already started. A condemned killer allowed his brain and body to be scanned and you can access all 10 billion bytes of him on the Internet http://www.nlm.nih.gov/research/visi...ble_human.html.

He has a 25 billion byte female companion on the site as well in case he gets lonely. This scan is not high enough in resolution for our purposes, but then, we probably don't want to base our templates of machine intelligence on the brain of a convicted killer, anyway.

But scanning a frozen brain is feasible today, albeit not yet at a sufficient speed or bandwidth, but again, the law of accelerating returns will provide the requisite speed of scanning, just as it did for the human genome scan. Carnegie Mellon University's Andreas Nowatzyk plans to scan the nervous system of the brain and body of a mouse with a resolution of less than 200 nanometers, which is getting very close to the resolution needed for reverse engineering.

We also have noninvasive scanning techniques today, including high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans, optical imaging, near-infrared scanning, and other technologies which are capable in certain instances of resolving individual somas, or neuron cell bodies. Brain scanning technologies are also increasing their resolution with each new generation, just what we would expect from the law of accelerating returns. Future generations will enable us to resolve the connections between neurons and to peer inside the synapses and record the neurotransmitter concentrations.
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http://www.agiri.org/essays/SingularityAGIGoertzel.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26741332&hl=en

It's coming faster that many might think. But yeah, at least 15-20 years away from a true general A.I., I'd say. Most of us should be around to see it (sorry, Singer!).
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http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.../art0134.html/



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http://www.agiri.org/essays/SingularityAGIGoertzel.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26741332&hl=en

It's coming faster that many might think. But yeah, at least 15-20 years away from a true general A.I., I'd say. Most of us should be around to see it (sorry, Singer!).
Moore's law will end for silicone by 2016, meaning no new transistors stuffed in to a piece of glass. The next computer revolution will be DNA, which mean machines will never over take humans.
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Moore's law will end for silicone by 2016, meaning no new transistors stuffed in to a piece of glass. The next computer revolution will be DNA, which mean machines will never over take humans.
Well, when you can't beat them...BECOME THEM!
post #29 of 42
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Well, when you can't beat them...BECOME THEM!
Cronenberg would be proud. LONG LIVE THE n00b FLESH!
post #30 of 42
Dammit, and I just got my perscription filled at Spectacular Optical. Why wasn't I told?
post #31 of 42
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Cronenberg would be proud. LONG LIVE THE n00b FLESH!
With stem cells, cloning, tissue reengineering, and DNA computing the things they might do to with a human body in say 20 or 50 years is mind boggling, and that not even counting cybernetics. Meta humans anyone?
post #32 of 42
Robot Scientist
Fucking hell, now they're making scientific discoveries on their own! How long before they decide they don't need us?!?!
post #33 of 42
Don't worry, the chimps aren't about to be outdone.

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WINSTON, Mo. (AP) — Officers shot and killed a rampaging chimpanzee in a rural area and then found a squalid, unlicensed puppy mill in the chimp owners' home, officials said.

Three people were arrested Wednesday on charges of animal abuse and neglect, operating as an unlicensed breeder and keeping wild animals without proper registration, Daviess County officials said.

The Sheriff's Department had responded to a call Monday night on a request to help capture an angry chimp running loose on a highway outside Winston in northwest Missouri. When officers arrived, the 9-year-old chimp opened the patrol car door and grabbed the leg of a deputy, who fatally shot it, Chief Deputy Todd Watson said.
post #34 of 42
You know it's just a matter of time before the robots and chimps unite in the common cause to destroy humans. The only good thing that can come of it, and one I shall never see, is when they clash with each other and one of them is wiped out. Sadly, that will only lead to the dreaded robot chimp, and then, the universe is fucked.
post #35 of 42
There's also a spider monkey named Reggie running around central Florida right now. Escaped from a circus and has been popping up in the area in different places several miles from where he escaped.

You ask me, he's doing recon.
post #36 of 42
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You know it's just a matter of time before the robots and chimps unite in the common cause to destroy humans. The only good thing that can come of it, and one I shall never see, is when they clash with each other and one of them is wiped out. Sadly, that will only lead to the dreaded robot chimp, and then, the universe is fucked.
"And just what are you planning for that banana, Chim Chim?... OMFG!"


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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
There's also a spider monkey named Reggie running around central Florida right now. Escaped from a circus and has been popping up in the area in different places several miles from where he escaped.

You ask me, he's doing recon.
He's on safari. Looking for his cousin, the elusive Skunk Ape.
post #37 of 42
True doom occurs when Reggie hooks up w/ the chupacabra, & recruits him to the chimp camp in all this.
post #38 of 42
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True doom occurs when Reggie hooks up w/ the chupacabra, & recruits him to the chimp camp in all this.
Never happen. Chupa is NOT a team player.
post #39 of 42
Now they're RUNNING!
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Now they're RUNNING!
Ok the actual running footage was a little scary. But then I watched this and felt better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YruAOxWG5uU
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Ok the actual running footage was a little scary. But then I watched this and felt better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YruAOxWG5uU
Shoulda watched where he was going. Is the robot's name "Ed"?

post #42 of 42
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Now they're RUNNING!
As a Borg, I so wanted to see that bot just slap that bitch when she started shoving him.
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