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post #51 of 70
2/23/09 at 8:24pm
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Many ... people are ... monstrously fucked up. Possibly the majority of them ...
Fixed.
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post #52 of 70
2/23/09 at 8:42pm
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If we insisted that our artists all be good, decent, unfucked-up human beings, we'd lose out on a lot of great work. It sucks to hear stuff like this, but I'm not going to let it gut my movie collection. I know people who refuse to watch Roman Polanski films, and I keep trying to figure out how they think that's punishing him.
Surely we should insist that our human beings be good, decent, unfucked-up human beings. Being an 'artist' is fucking irrelevant.

If Roman was a bus-driver, he's be roman the bus-driving rapist.
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post #53 of 70
2/23/09 at 11:06pm
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Surely we should insist that our human beings be good, decent, unfucked-up human beings. Being an 'artist' is fucking irrelevant.
Sane, well-adjusted people rarely make art worth talking about. That's pretty relevant.
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post #54 of 70
2/23/09 at 11:31pm
My dad met Scorsese's brother once. He said all the brother did was bitch that Scorsese had recently purchased a grave plot for three - himself, his mother and his father; the brother was excluded. NOT WELL ADJUSTED!
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post #55 of 70
2/24/09 at 12:13am
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Sane, well-adjusted people rarely make art worth talking about. That's pretty relevant.
There's being eccentric and there's beating the shit out of your girlfriend.
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post #56 of 70
2/24/09 at 12:27am
And which of those things lessens an artist's accomplishments? Does Van Gogh being batshit insane make his art not worth viewing? And I guess we should stay right the hell away from Edgar Allen Poe. And H.P. Lovecraft was a pretty hateful elitist and racist, so let's fret about that as well.

I'm not saying it's forgivable. I'm saying that it's not surprising.

And who really cares whether it should be forgiven? Were any of us going to have him over for dinner next week? Is he dating our sisters? This isn't a personal issue. If you're going to stop watching his movies because he's fucked up, you can stop looking at Van Gogh paintings, and not read Poe or Lovecraft anymore. Let's leave whether his behavior should be tolerated to his friends and family. Our sole connection to the issue is that we watch a lot of movies.
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post #57 of 70
2/24/09 at 1:10am
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There's being eccentric and there's beating the shit out of your girlfriend.
Thank you.
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post #58 of 70
2/24/09 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
And which of those things lessens an artist's accomplishments? Does Van Gogh being batshit insane make his art not worth viewing? And I guess we should stay right the hell away from Edgar Allen Poe. And H.P. Lovecraft was a pretty hateful elitist and racist, so let's fret about that as well.

I'm not saying it's forgivable. I'm saying that it's not surprising.

And who really cares whether it should be forgiven? Were any of us going to have him over for dinner next week? Is he dating our sisters? This isn't a personal issue. If you're going to stop watching his movies because he's fucked up, you can stop looking at Van Gogh paintings, and not read Poe or Lovecraft anymore. Let's leave whether his behavior should be tolerated to his friends and family. Our sole connection to the issue is that we watch a lot of movies.
Couldn't have said it better Greg. I think Black sounds pretty fucking horrible, but I don't know the guy and I'll still happily watch his movies.

Chris Brown doesn't get spun in my house because his music is excerable shit, not because I think he's an awful human being.

There's the art and there's the artist people - they aint one.
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post #59 of 70
2/24/09 at 2:53am
TROY WHO DID YOU HIT

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post #60 of 70
2/24/09 at 3:22am
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No one...I love everybody.
Including children?

I think we know what skeletons are in your closet now.
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post #61 of 70
2/24/09 at 6:32am
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As an artist my entire life, professionally for the last eighteen years, I feel very confident in saying that...yeah they are.
To a degree I think I get where you're coming from, so let me go further...

The art is tied to the artist of course, an artists intention, meaning and message they're trying to convey with their art I feel is integral to understanding it (studying art history in culture through my university degree some years ago left me as one of two gentlemen pitted against a classroom of women insistent on the idea that arts meaning was whatever you wanted it to be, something I fiercly disagreed with for 3 years so if thats what you meant I completely agree) -

BUT - the artists personality, and my view of them on a personal level has no bearing on my enjoyment or otherwise of their art. As I stated in one of the many recent Christian Bale threads:

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See I honestly don't get the inference form this line of thinking, why exactly is it our job to judge Christian Bales "class and character" in the first place?

He's an actor, shouldn't we just judge his acting?

Van Morrison was and is apprently a massive massive asshole - does that stop people enjoying Brown Eyed Girl?

By all accounts Van Gogh was fucking nuts and utterly horrible to those who loved him, does that stop anyone from enjoying his paintings?

Jim Morrison - Lizard King and Selfish Douchebag - I still adore listening to The End tho.

Daniel Day-Lewis is apparently so serious as to be fucking morose and woe betide anyone who fucks with his scene, but what, he gets a pass thanks to awards and no audio gotchas?

Why the hell can't people seperate the art from the artist? We're not housewives reading Who Magazine here guys, why do we need to LIKE Bale to enjoy his work?
As Ive said before, for every artist out there we know are pricks and bitches theres probably at least ten or more who are as bad or worse just with better PR - are we going to stop mwatching, listening and reading everything in case they're all fucking awful?
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post #62 of 70
2/24/09 at 6:51am
But a thing like that isn't black and white, it's a matter of degrees - who cares if Van Gogh or Jim Morrison were meanies? As Dickson said, there's being eccentric and there's beating the shit out of your girlfriend. And it just depends how it effects you. The art and the artist do not exist in separate vacuums, no matter how much you want them to.
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post #63 of 70
2/24/09 at 7:16am
yes but how exactly does refusing to ever watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang again because of this news damage or even register with Black in any way?

...we're getting back into Polanski territory here really aren't we.
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post #64 of 70
2/24/09 at 7:36am
There's also time and public exposure to consider -- how many people knew that Van Gogh was supremely fucked up* back then and thus refused to associate with him?










* Substitute with famous dead artist of your choice.
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post #65 of 70
2/24/09 at 8:06am


Who cares?
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post #66 of 70
2/24/09 at 8:18am
Shane Black wrote The Last Boy Scout... until he fucks small children on live television I don't give a shit what he does. How do we know the girlfriend in question didn't deserve a beating? Maybe she was trying to summon Cthulhu and the only way he could stop her was to punch her in the throat. Maybe Shane Black saved all of existance from being devoured by creatures from beyond the veil. And maybe when he crawled into bed with her to snort cocaine and masturbate he was doing so ironically. Like as performance art. You don't know. Unless you have created something more awesome than The Last Boy Scout you have no right to judge such a great man.

AND I don't see anybody saying Black shouldn't be punished if he did indeed commit these crimes. All I'm seeing is people saying it doesn't effect their love of Lethal Weapon.
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post #67 of 70
2/26/09 at 7:36pm
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But a thing like that isn't black and white, it's a matter of degrees - who cares if Van Gogh or Jim Morrison were meanies? As Dickson said, there's being eccentric and there's beating the shit out of your girlfriend. And it just depends how it effects you. The art and the artist do not exist in separate vacuums, no matter how much you want them to.
You're wholly missing the point. It's not a matter of whether the art and the artist are separate things. It's a matter of who gives a shit. If you don't know the guy personally, why do you care what fucked up things he's done? Refusing to watch a Woody Allen movie is only going to hurt me, not him. Of course it's bloody obvious that who he is as a person informs who he is as an artist. But that's not my problem. When he starts babysitting my niece, then I'll worry about it. Until then, it's got fuck all to do with me watching his movies.
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post #68 of 70
2/27/09 at 6:12am
Who said anything about doing it to spite him? Obviously you're not going to hurt the guy. It's about what he's done impacting the pleasure you take in his films. For example, I can't enjoy Michael Richards on Seinfeld in quite the same way anymore. Some people might feel that towards Black. Obviously you don't and, to be honest, neither do I.
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post #69 of 70
2/27/09 at 9:49am
Granted, it's a tragedy when a man resorts to striking a woman. My father instilled that into me before I was even able to make a fist... and Mr. Black should have just walked away, which is easier to do.

But in his defense...

Just because this woman is visually dazzling is not reason enough to sympathise with her.

Remember this. No matter how beautiful a woman may be... somewhere, some guy is tired of putting up with her bullshit.
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post #70 of 70
2/27/09 at 10:35am
Why remember that in this situation?
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