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Tsotsi (2005)

post #1 of 13
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According to IMDB, Tsotsi means thug in Johannesburg slang, and it's also the street name of the main character of this minor masterpiece. It's directed by Gavin Hood, who now that I know is behind the upcoming Wolverine film, feel much better about it. He's played by Presley Chweneyagae, who up until this film (and actually still is, really) was an unknown. You wouldn't really guess that, though, based on how well he plays the part. I'm guessing he comes from a background similar to the one he portrays in the film, which would explain the ease in which he acted, but I could be completely wrong.

Chweneyagae plays the epitome of a heartless, street raised, thug. He's someone who essentially raised himself, and has no real sense of right and wrong until he's faced with, well, taking care of someone else's child. The kicker is that he shot the mother and stole her car. Aside from the violence, which is very straight forward, the character moments are handled expertly, and contrary what can be the case in films like these, the other (unknown) actors really nailed their roles. The way the story is told, especially the use of flashbacks, is done in a familiar way that could be run of the mill were it not for the aforementioned performances, and the photography, which captures the slums of the city perfectly.

Oh and the soundtrack is great, too. Lots of rap that I would honestly listen to if I could get my hands on it.
post #2 of 13
Minor masterpiece? Really?

I didn't really rate it. It was interesting, but by no means great, or unique. Gavin Hood's involvement in Wolverine is neither a plus or minus for me based on this film - they're completely incomparable.
post #3 of 13
It's a good movie, but it's far from being great, let alone a "masterpiece". It's not manipulative like fucking Crash, but it nearly tries, and is borrowing a bit from City of God.
post #4 of 13
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Comparing this to City of God is just lazy. The superficial elements are similar, and we don't know the motives behind making the film, since it basically bought Fernando Meirelles a ticket to Hollywood, and it looks like it did the same for Hood as well, but outside of the slum environment, unkown actors, etc, I wouldn't really put it on that same level, as though this as I said is very good, City of God is one of the best films of all time in my opinion.

I wouldn't say it borders Crash for "manipulation", either. Anytime you have interaction with a sensitive subject, like a mom and her baby, etc, there's going to be some degree of catering to the audience going on, and this was certainly no exception. It is definitely catered to western audiences, particularly those (as you mentioned) that liked City of God. That said, perhaps I was a little high on it, but it is a totally seperate entity in the same vein as other, better films. Doesn't change the stand alone quality of this one. My two cents.
post #5 of 13
Fuck laziness, Tsotsi was compared to City of God right off the bat. Considering the setting, I get it, it's in a slum. But I said so because of the setting and mood, not quality. It takes a different path by inserting the baby plot, but it's still a bit manipulative, but the movie is entirely sold by the main actor, who really does a good job. But it's not a masterpiece whatsoever.
post #6 of 13
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Comparing this to City of God is just lazy
Particularly considering that it's based on a popular novel that was penned way WAY before City Of God.
post #7 of 13
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I knew I heard that somewhere. I still disagree that it was manipulative, and the way you (savage) phrased your last post made it sound like any movie set in a slum post-COG is automatically borrowing from it. I've seen a lot of movies set in slums, most of them modern, and even the Brazilian film Tropa de Elite is utterly different. The basic premise is the same, that's all. Same with war films, gangster films, etc. I'm done.
post #8 of 13
You still called this a minor masterpiece. Your definition of "masterpiece" is pretty fucking loose.

I liked my Froot Loops this morning. It didn't not made them a "masterpiece" per se.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by tarkovsky
That said, perhaps I was a little high on it, but it is a totally seperate entity in the same vein as other, better films.
I still think it was very good. I was a little tired when I wrote it, and maybe embellished it a tad. It was 4:30 and I had been studying Russian for hours.
post #10 of 13
i watched this for the first time last week and i really liked it, it may not be a 'masterpiece' but a minor masterpiece fits fine by me although i consider it very faint praise - it was the best south african film i've ever seen. it too gave me hope for hood's wolverine.

Savage - i think you're being unduly harsh on tarkovsky and this film, the fact it used unknowns and managed to be emotional without being manipulative as well as giving insight into a slum not frequently given movie-time but in a way that was very human without going for pity. Some of the settings and landscapes were stunning and (for me) very memorable. I also feel you're doing a disservice to the rest of the cast who fleshed out the story nicely, especially mirriam, and pumla as the baby's mother.

savage, it won an oscar.

and 11 other awards.

masterpiece is not too big a word. sorry you don't agree with us. or the academy.
post #11 of 13
I think it's a very good movie. Manipulative? Eh, I guess. There are far worse offenders out there, though. It has a pretty solid script and good characters, so the more manipulative moments don't really hurt the film much for me.

I have to second the love for the acting. It's what drives this film.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by mr_adam View Post

savage, it won an oscar.

and 11 other awards.

masterpiece is not too big a word. sorry you don't agree with us. or the academy.
Since when is winning an Oscar, or an award, being proof of the masterpiece status? This is retarded.

It's good movie, but its not a fucking masterpiece, no matter how much you want to spin it. The weaknesses of the script is covered by the great acting, and indeed, it also helps past the emotional manipulation present through the last 2 acts.

EDIT: And capital letters are accepted on the boards, and you're encouraged to use them.
post #13 of 13
Tsotsi was a fairly okay film in my book. I remember the acting being okay and the music was soulful at least to my tastes. I know my theatre sold the soundtrack for it. I do remember i wanted another film to win Best Foreign Film that year. I need to look up those facts. It's not the worst decision the Academy has ever made.
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