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Originally Posted by pervis42
 I want to hear what David Brooks had to say about Jindal's speech.
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
Freezing spending, addressing the $4bn in pork that is attached to the $410bn spending bill (or you know, saying he'll put his foot down and veto it), making a commitment to ensure people who are up for retirement in the next 0-5 years will have government assistance (spending money on everything else, why not) would have gone a long way to wooing me over.
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
Great and all, but why don't we start helping those who are extremely tied down with student loan debt? I'm hovering around 160,000 in debt and while I'm in law school,jobs are awfully hard to come by if you aren't a minority or a rich WASP with connections.
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby
I can't believe Bobby Jindal had the balls to use Hurricane Katrina and the botched Federal response as an example to prove that government can never work.
Katrina is the apotheosis of the Conservative movement in action. Or inaction as the case may be. And this jackass uses this incredible, horrific blunder by the government of his own party to prove his point. |
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Originally Posted by lordelsey
The market will keep dropping till people that should have never been in it in the first place are out. No investment should grow more then 2-3% a year, realisticlly.
Obama had a good speech. If Jindal is the best the republican party can do, they are in serious trouble. |
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Originally Posted by yt
Whatever you say, Marie Antoinette. ETA:
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Originally Posted by Cyclon Baby
And while I agree this isn't a Great Depression, I do think there will be a major lowering of people life style and spending habits. In the long run I think that is good, but the transition period will be rough.
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Originally Posted by yt
I also loved Obama's Beatles-at-Shea-Stadium entrance.
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Originally Posted by The Closer
Ya know Im right ya bastage!
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick
I guess my major turn off is that I want a president, not a rock star.
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Originally Posted by yt
Yeeeeeeea... no.
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| Apologies to whoever you listen to, watch or read, but this is the dumbest meme I've heard in a long time. Obama has not only done more for the people of this country in one month than Bush did in his entire 8 years, but at a dark time on many fronts, he is giving people hope that there's a way forward. |
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Originally Posted by yt
Apologies to whoever you listen to, watch or read, but this is the dumbest meme I've heard in a long time. Obama has not only done more for the people of this country in one month than Bush did in his entire 8 years, but at a dark time on many fronts, he is giving people hope that there's a way forward.
How do you think people greeted George Washington in his day? |
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Originally Posted by yt
Obama has not only done more for the people of this country in one month than Bush did in his entire 8 years, but at a dark time on many fronts, he is giving people hope that there's a way forward.
How do you think people greeted George Washington in his day? |
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
Bush did plenty to the American people during his eight years
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
the idea of treating a President with so much love and fuzzy feelings is quite dangerous, regardless of party. A President should be respected, but this isn't the Second Coming like many people (not just on the boards, but people in DC and all over) think it is. It's great your guy won, but it's quite sickening to see the fawning over Obama like he's going to magically change everything in America and bring "hope" to everyone.
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Originally Posted by yt
The Closer, you don't have to shovel rain out of your driveway every morning! |
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Originally Posted by yt
he ordered the closing of Gitmo and foreign black sites
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Originally Posted by yt
I and most people who are supporting Obama are very critical of him, in spite of his willingness to roll up his sleeves and get to work. For example, I'm very critical of the choice of Geithner and think choice may signal ineffectual financial strategies to deal with the banking crisis, and I didn't love the line in Obama's speech about free trade. Believe me, on the left, people don't fall in line. Everyone is cautiously optimistic though.
And please, if you can name one piece of legislation that Bush signed that primarily benefited the people, as opposed to corporations and the very rich, I'll concede at least that. Obama has done a lot in his first month. He signed S-Chip, health insurance for kids; he ordered the closing of Gitmo and foreign black sites; he pushed and passed the stimulus package, which I know you have been led to believe is a waste but which I think is at least half exactly what the economy needs to start getting back on his feet; he saved property around national parks from being sacrificed at the altar of the oil companies, and on and on. In just last night's speech alone, the power he gave to the push to improve education was a great sign that he will be prioritizing an issue that is close to the top of my list. The Closer, you don't have to shovel rain out ofyour driveway every morning! |
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Took care of that for ya.
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
The stimulus package is a waste, but for different reasons than the ones coming from typical Republican talking points. There needs to be more infrastructure spending, period. More money pumped into roads, bridges, and railway systems. I would get into more detail why I think the bill is a failure as is, but I've got crim law in an hour. |
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
I don't think that was the real Jindal. That was clearly Johnny Cab.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I want to tie Jindal's hands to his sides and see if he can still talk.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I want to tie Jindal's hands to his sides and see if he can still talk.
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Joe Biden;
"You know the website number?" http://wbztv.com/video/?id=73411@wbz.dayport.com I guess he was asking for the IP number? Funny, reminds me of the ad they ran against McCain for supposedly not knowing how to use computers/internet. |
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
What's the website number for CHUD?
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| WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means. But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow. Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment. The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress - and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car. A look at some of his assertions: OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values." THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so. Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed. "I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed." Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford. "I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio. --- OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before." THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades. --- OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade." THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House. Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now. --- OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day." THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation. --- OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas." THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress. Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past. --- OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years." THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone. In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent. If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks. --- OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs." THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers. The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error." Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus. |
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
Also, the markets are tanking this morning after a nice rally yesterday when Berneke lied to placate the masses.
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Originally Posted by pervis42
Obama: references the civil war, the great depression, and WWII as examples of U.S. know-how and resilience.
Jindal: 9/11. Suck my dick, I'm a shark. |
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Jindal referenced the same exact things btw. I guess you were distracted by his awful intonation and hypnotic hand movements.
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Southern accent?
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
I'm not a Bush guy, but I immediately think of the Great Lakes Legacy Act (A big deal where I live), the Clean Skies Initiative, and the Amber Alert Act were signed during his presidency. A lot of conservatives would probably also cite No Child Left Behind, but that is a terrible bill that will continue to hurt American education. I hope Obama gets rid of it.
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| The Clean Air Act of 1970 has made skies over most cities cleaner by cutting back pollution let out by major power companies. However, the Clean Skies Initiative allows power plants to emit more than five times more mercury, twice as much sulfur dioxide, and over one and a half times more nitrogen oxides than the Clean Air Act.Source. |
| The architect of No Child Left Behind (NCLB), President Bush’s first senior education advisor, Sandy Kress, has turned the program, which has consistently proven disastrous in the realm of education, into a huge success in the realm of corporate profiteering. After ushering NCLB through the US House of Representatives in 2001 with no public hearings, Kress went from lawmaker—turning on spigots of federal funds—to lobbyist, tapping into those billions of dollars in federal funds for private investors well connected to the Bush administration. Source. |
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
As for Obama, http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...090225?sp=true
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Originally Posted by Muharulz
The stimulus package is a waste, but for different reasons than the ones coming from typical Republican talking points. There needs to be more infrastructure spending, period. More money pumped into roads, bridges, and railway systems. I would get into more detail why I think the bill is a failure as is, but I've got crim law in an hour.
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
Also, the markets are tanking this morning after a nice rally yesterday when Berneke lied to placate the masses.
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Originally Posted by BrianM
Bobby Jindal = Kenneth
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Heh ... that's the "liberal wing" of conservative talk radio.
Report to us when you go through Hannity, Limbaugh and Savage (he's off in his own category, btw). |
