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Coen brothers make commercial debunking "clean coal"

post #1 of 22
2/26/09 at 5:08pm
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I love them. Coal is truly the silent killer.



The Coens' commercial is here.
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post #2 of 22
2/26/09 at 5:12pm
Fantastic! "Clean Coal harnesses the awesome power of the word 'clean'!"

I love the horrible edit removing the announcer.
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post #3 of 22
2/26/09 at 5:16pm
I'm glad they're pro-environment, because I'll be honest--if the Coen Bros. made a commercial debunking climate change, I might convert just out of loyalty.
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post #4 of 22
2/26/09 at 5:25pm
Will they be happier if they call it "cleaner coal". It still doesn't change the fact that it is something we should keep developing seeing as we don't really have another alternative solution that will scale to our needs for the moment.

Fortunately president Obama supports it.
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post #5 of 22
2/26/09 at 5:27pm
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I think Obama is more "wait and see" about it. Right now, it doesn't exist, and yet the coal industry is spending millions to promote it.
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post #6 of 22
2/26/09 at 6:32pm
He's been talking it up quite a bit, plus he did initially put all that money towards FutureGen until it got revised and cut down quite a bit.

The ad is cute but super uninformative. Yeah, even if realized "clean coal" is not truly clean some sense, but it completely dismisses the potential benefits of such a technology. And saying we don't have it now, doesn't mean we shouldn't invest on it. That's an anti-technology stand.
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post #7 of 22
2/26/09 at 7:05pm
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Point taken, but if the coal industry is going to spend money on commercials and themed websites to rehabilitate its image, there's nothing wrong with environmental groups countering those with their own.
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post #8 of 22
2/26/09 at 9:32pm
Clean coal: from the makers of dry water, bright darkness, and other oxymorons.
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post #9 of 22
2/26/09 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Gabe Powers View Post
Clean coal: from the makers of dry water, bright darkness, and other oxymorons.
Don't forget Cold Fusion!
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post #10 of 22
2/27/09 at 12:08am
Dammit, yt. You've completely defused my rebuttal to ElCap's 'And saying we don't have it now, doesn't mean we shouldn't invest on it.'

Essentially: cold fusion (or zero point energy, or even plain old sustained hot fusion) would be WAY more beneficial than Clean Coal, and most people would consider a significant investment of tax payer money into cold fusion research to be a spectacular waste. And they'd be right. We need clean, efficient, renewable energy sources. Not marginally cleaner but still insanely dirty, kind of efficient, not renewable but who cares because there's billions of tons of the stuff energy sources.
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post #11 of 22
2/27/09 at 1:12am
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LOL. I'm not anti-science. I was goofing on the unrepeatable experiment. I do believe we should pour money into research and actually, as a nation, have an energy policy that isn't just a blank check to the Oil, Coal and Gas.
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post #12 of 22
2/27/09 at 1:27am
I have invented an automatic Puppy Masher. If you're against it, you're anti-technology.
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post #13 of 22
2/27/09 at 1:57am
Yeah because we know resource optimization with a focus on environmental impact is just the same, and inherently eeeeeevilllll!!!
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post #14 of 22
2/27/09 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Yeah because we know resource optimization with a focus on environmental impact is just the same, and inherently eeeeeevilllll!!!
No, but closed-door top-secret meetings with the heads of Big Energy at the start of a presidential administration does have a stink to it.
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post #15 of 22
2/27/09 at 5:53am
You see there's this hooker I visit quite often. She's cheap, she does her job well enough, she's pretty good looking and more importantly she lives next door. The problem is, she keeps giving me crabs. My friends told me about this new one that just moved into town and I went there once. She's prettier, better at sex and completely healthy. The problem is that I have to take the bus to her and she's more expensive than the other one. But thankfully I've figured out the solution. I'll just find a medicine that makes the crabs not itch this much.

Ain't I clever?
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post #16 of 22
2/27/09 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
You see there's this hooker I visit quite often. She's cheap, she does her job well enough, she's pretty good looking and more importantly she lives next door. The problem is, she keeps giving me crabs. My friends told me about this new one that just moved into town and I went there once. She's prettier, better at sex and completely healthy. The problem is that I have to take the bus to her and she's more expensive than the other one. But thankfully I've figured out the solution. I'll just find a medicine that makes the crabs not itch this much.

Ain't I clever?
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ETA - Damn 500 character signature limit!
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post #17 of 22
2/27/09 at 10:34am
For your analogy to work a bit better, the new one is just as pretty and as good in bed but may not be available as frequently. Her benefits would have to be that she is the healthier alternative but exponentially more expensive than the old one. Of course that still doesn't address scalability needs and demand of the US, try again.
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post #18 of 22
2/27/09 at 11:14am
....and it's Stelios for the win.
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post #19 of 22
2/27/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Yeah because we know resource optimization with a focus on environmental impact is just the same, and inherently eeeeeevilllll!!!
That really wasn't my point. I was snarking at you dismissing concerns about clean coal as being "anti-technology". You can extend that logic to anything. It's a non-argument.
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post #20 of 22
2/27/09 at 11:32am
I was responding to the message of the ad, which doesn't bring up "concerns" about clean coal, just dismisses it because of the contradictory name.
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post #21 of 22
2/27/09 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
For your analogy to work a bit better, the new one is just as pretty and as good in bed but may not be available as frequently. Her benefits would have to be that she is the healthier alternative but exponentially more expensive than the old one. Of course that still doesn't address scalability needs and demand of the US, try again.
No. Alternative energy or renewable energy or whatever you'd like to call it is superior to coal in everything but cost and convenience. And this only at the beginning, as after a first period of increased spending for energy its cost will actually be lower than coal's. If anything I didn't go far enough with the analogy.
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post #22 of 22
2/27/09 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
... just dismisses it because of the contradictory name.

They're not dismissing it because of the name, they're reminding people that far too often the companies that control these industries and policies get to frame their work in any way they see fit.
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