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post #251 of 312
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
 

You guys. Join me in not giving a fuck about boxing anymore. It will really cut down on the disappointment. It's no longer a sport people enjoy watching. It's a vehicle for ads and betting and only that.

 

If people didn't enjoy boxing what happened last night? 

post #252 of 312

Did the convicted wife-beater win?

post #253 of 312
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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post

Fight reminded me why I watch vastly more MMA than boxing these days when I want to see sweaty men hug each other.

Plus MMA has the likes of Ronda Rousey, Meisha Tate and Paige Vanzant for when I need a break from watching sweaty men hug each other.

 

There's one thing that keeps me from thoroughly enjoying MMA, which can be demonstrated by this clip:

 

 

So I'll get a babysitter, drive to the arena, pay for tickets, get some drinks, find my seat and... time to go home, I guess? Granted, a lot less boring than Pacquiao vs. Mayweather.

post #254 of 312
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Originally Posted by cccc View Post
 

 

If people didn't enjoy boxing what happened last night? 


A spectacle.  People were told this was a great fight and they wanted to be part of it.  I bet 85% of the people watching haven't seen a fight ever or hadn't seen one since Holyfield.

 

This fight will not translate into more fight fans.  And from reading about it on twitter it seems most were bored by it because Mayweather fights like technition and not a brawler.  The masses don't wamt to see that.  They want to see blood and KO's.

post #255 of 312
Yes, boxing is strictly an event and they only occur once every few years over even a decade or so. It's not a mainstream sport that people will talk about all that much, but when you actually do get a good fight it's light years ahead of anything MMA can come up with.
post #256 of 312
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Originally Posted by cccc View Post

I can't get into MMA for some reason?  Always been a big Boxing fan, and I enjoy the pacing of it. 

This was a typical Mayweather fight.  He's not the most exciting fighter unless you enjoy technique, in which he's brilliant.  He's too long for Pac.  I wish Pac would let it go the last two rounds unless he was spent.  Seemed content to just finish the fight. 

I don't really blame anyone for not getting into MMA, it has its own pros and cons and the grappling side of the game is a pretty strange thing to behold for newcomers, while the brutal simplicity of boxing makes it an order of magnitude more accessible. There's a good reason when cinema stages a fight it's historically at least 97% fisticuffs. It's just much easier for the man on the street to comprehend the dynamics of two gentlemen engaging in pugilism than the black magic of what goes on once two guys grab a hold of each other, so boxing will always be the bigger sport, whatever its flaws.

One thing MMA does infinitely better though, aside from having multiple fights on any given card be relevant, is to make it virtually impossible for top level fighters to avoid fighting the best challenger until they're 6 years past their prime. That and the the fact hugging is much less successful as a defensive maneuver.
post #257 of 312
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post


A spectacle.  People were told this was a great fight and they wanted to be part of it.  I bet 85% of the people watching haven't seen a fight ever or hadn't seen one since Holyfield.

This fight will not translate into more fight fans.  And from reading about it on twitter it seems most were bored by it because Mayweather fights like technition and not a brawler.  The masses don't wamt to see that.  They want to see blood and KO's.

Doesn't matter. Boxing does prove that the top matches are world wide event. Something few other sports of its ilk can match.
post #258 of 312

Awesome fight today. My heart sorta wanted Klitschko to pull it out, but my wallet was all in on Joshua. Thank Christ Joshua won.

post #259 of 312

So what is the current state of the heavyweight division? I mean I know Boxing in general has lost its luster in the past few years but it seems to me I haven't heard of a legit heavyweight since the days of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lennox Lewis.....

post #260 of 312
The new breed at HW are exciting but they're all just biding time until they get beat by Joseph Parker.
post #261 of 312
Foolish me I actually decided to pay 70 bucks for the Canelo/JC Chavez jr fight thinking it might actually be worth it. I spent most of the fight hanging out in the kitchen making tacos and margaritas. Didn't miss much. What a poopfest!

And the post fight banter between Canelo and Triple G was about as convincing as something out of professional Wrestling
post #262 of 312
Yeah, Chavez got plenty of hype off his name but he's never going to live up to his old man unfortunately.

Did you at least see Joshua/Klitschko last week? No way you could've been disappointed with that one. Ward/Kovalev 2 is only a little over a month away too, and if that's even half as good as their first stoush it'll be worth it.
post #263 of 312
I missed that fight but I did hear good things so I'll catch when they show it on the Audience channel.
How good this guy who KOed Klitcho?
post #264 of 312

Soon as I saw Canelo was a -600 favorite over Chavez Jr. I knew that fight was gonna offer very little in the way of excitement.

post #265 of 312
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post

I missed that fight but I did hear good things so I'll catch when they show it on the Audience channel.
How good this guy who KOed Klitcho?

Even being the age he is now Klitschko looked better than he has in years, both physically and hungerly, and Joshua still overcame him. The sample size is still tiny when it comes to "Joshua's A-Level Opponents" but from what we saw there he seems legit as heck.
post #266 of 312

Mayweather by KO in the 8th.

post #267 of 312

So this circus is really taking place? Who's gonna pay $100 or more for this thing? 

post #268 of 312
You guys have to pay $100 for PPV? Eff that, god invented bars with multiple big screens for a reason.

Meanwhile ...

post #269 of 312
Even if you go to a bar to watch it they're still going to charge you a cover fee of some sort. So unless you go to someone's house or watch some kind pirated online deal you're going to have shell out a few bucks.

But there's no way I'm paying for this sideshow. I'll catch it for free on cable somewhere down the line.
post #270 of 312
Yeah, fair enough man, I don't really blame you.

I will blame you if you miss Ward/Kovalev 2 though.
post #271 of 312

I wanna be able to say I'll avoid it, but I can easily see the day of the fight approaching and getting roped in to splitting the cost with some buddies. Or heading to Tahoe to catch it at one of the casino viewing parties up there.

 

I know a lot of money has come in on McGregor since it was announced. He's gone from 10-1 to about 4-1 in that time.

post #272 of 312
That's money going on Mayweather suffering from caution, laziness or hubris, more than a positive slant on McGregor's chances, I'd assume. Mayweather didn't hugely impress me in his last few fights - reminded me of late era Eubank - so the question seems to me less about McGregor's capabilities as a boxer and more about Mayweather's lack of motivation.
post #273 of 312
I'm far from an expert on sports betting, but think the money line shift might be more to do with Irish fans being bonkers than anything else.

This one's almost going to be more about the press conferences and interviews than the scrap itself. There are very few megastars in any branch of entertainment or sport as charismatic and magnetic as Conor and Floyd are when a camera and mic are pointed in their direction. Maybe Kanye is the only other one on their level? The likes of Clooney, LeBron, Ronaldo, Denzel etc trail a significant distance behind.
post #274 of 312
The Rock might like to have a word...

You may be right about Irish money. On the other hand, speaking as a man with close Irish family, they are surprisingly prosaic and good at spotting a con.

Haven't seen a decent fight in ages, mostly because fatherhood limits the opportunity and funds to spend on going to fights and I hate giving Murdoch money. I miss the glory days of Brendan Ingle's stable and the British middleweight clashes. Heavyweights haven't interested me since Tyson. A fried of mine tries from time to time to convince me about Lewis being in the pantheon but I've never seen it.

I'm assuming there is more to the fight game these days than circus bouts. What's good?
post #275 of 312
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The Rock might like to have a word...

Good call, although even with him it's not like folks hang on his words as happens with Floyd, Kanye and Conor. The Rock is a super amiable, wildly beloved mountainous goofball but what he says never feels like it matters in the same way it does when these other three do.

Fighters also, as ever, have the advantage in terms of magnetism in that what they do has stakes far above what the vast majority of other sports stars face (the daredevils of motor-racing perhaps come closest), let alone what those creampuff actors and musos go through (aside from when hip-hop gets shooty maybe), so what the mouthier fighters say may carry at least an order of magnitude more weight. In the end their words go with them into an arena, into a ring or cage and into the middle of a situation in which somebody is trying to hurt them badly enough that a referee has to save them.

As far as entertainment goes I don't reckon it gets much more dramatic than that.


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Originally Posted by jhp1608 View Post

I'm assuming there is more to the fight game these days than circus bouts. What's good?

KOVALEV WARD 2 JHP1608!!! HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT IN THIS THREAD?!?!
post #276 of 312

Might have to get action tomorrow on Kovalev/Ward. Leaning towards Ward, though it's pretty close to a toss up between the two.

 

Agree that the circus leading up to Mayweather/Conor is gonna be more exciting than the actual fight.

post #277 of 312

I'd also add the Canelo/Triple G fight in Sep. I think Canelo is the biggest star in Boxing these days, which may not be saying much but he's probably the only guy I'd pay to see.  

post #278 of 312
With you on Canelo/GGG HB, I'm just leaning hard into Ward/Kovalev II because it's only about 24 hours away and their first meeting was pretty dang fantastic.
post #279 of 312

Heads up, tonight's Manny Pacquiao fight with undefeated Australian Jeff Horn is on ESPN.

post #280 of 312
Holy shit.
post #281 of 312

I just caught the last 2 rounds because I had no idea this thing was on ESPN-sorry I didn't read your earlier post Molt- it sounds like Pac-Man was robbed yet again. Is this true? 

post #282 of 312

Huge robbery. Horn fought a good fight, made it way more interesting than most (including Vegas) would have thought possible. He got some sweet hits in. Looked like he was going to go down in the 9th. But he recovered and finished strong. All that being said Manny got bent over hard by the judges.

 

Guess they think there will be interest in a PPV rematch, or maybe now Horn is a viable opponent for Mayweather down the road. I'd like to see the guy beat a decent fighter outside of his home soil before I'd be truly sold on him. The decision gave him a belt though he'd probably have gotten more respect if he'd lost via the judges.

post #283 of 312

They really should have staggered these press conferences. These guys do not have the material for four in four days.

post #284 of 312

God I hope Conor KO's him.  If Trump can get elected, God can give me this.  I'm owed!

post #285 of 312
Oh no, the NSAC has now approved 8oz gloves for The Big Fight.

I just hope they have an ambulance on standby to transport Floyd with the least possible delay.
post #286 of 312

Why?  They're twice as heavy as Connor is used to and lighter than Floyd is used to.  

post #287 of 312
They need to start collecting and banking Floyd's blood yesterday.
post #288 of 312

Does Floyd even get hit once in this fight?  Like, one good solid clean hit?

 

I dunno.  

post #289 of 312
Floyd needs to get a very distinctive tattoo this week, because after the fight he will be otherwise unrecognizable.
post #290 of 312

The sarcasm is strong with this one.  

post #291 of 312

Seriously who's paying for this fight? I refuse to fork over a nickel for anymore Mayweather fights; I have yet to watch one of his fights that was not an absolute bore. As for Coner, I don't do the UFC/MMA thing so I have no idea who he was before this circus started. I'm going out that night anyway, so I won't be home, I'll follow along round by round online.  

post #292 of 312
This should be the one time Mayweather gets aggressive. Plus if Conner magically wins I'd like to be there to to literally see boxing die in the ring.
post #293 of 312

I'm not a big Mayweather fan, but I dislike McGregor more. I also can't stand MMA and I dig boxing a great deal. It's probably pretty obvi where I stand.

post #294 of 312
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post
 

I'm not a big Mayweather fan, but I dislike McGregor more. I also can't stand MMA and I dig boxing a great deal. It's probably pretty obvi where I stand.

McGregor doesn't beat up women, he's just cocky and mouthy.  I don't see how any moral person could not want to see the massive underdog knock out the women beater.  

post #295 of 312

I guess I'm fucking immoral then.

post #296 of 312

This fight will be a ridiculously priced circus show, but McGregor's shit-talking and this wonderful moment make everything worthwhile:

 

post #297 of 312

My son wants McGregor to win because their first names are spelled the same.

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post #299 of 312

I don't follow boxing or the MMA or anything like it AT ALL, yet I'm kinda curious about this fight. I guess the marketing is working.

post #300 of 312

I watched the coverage on the first few days of those press conferences in different cities.   It was disgusting, racist, homophobic shit.  But Conor's racism was the thing that stood out most.  Of course, Floyd beats women, so, uh... there's nobody to root for, is my point.  I stopped paying attention after that.

 

Now that it's fight night, I am curious how it turns out.  Not paying for it.  Not watching it.  Just curious how it turns out because of the whole boxing vs. MMA angle.

 

I think Floyd will toy with him for a few rounds.  If he goes for the knockout too early I think he'll risk getting tagged.  However slim a chance that is, we all know Floyd's a very defensive fighter, so why change now?  However, after 3-4 rounds, I think he'll try to put McGregor away.  He wants the knockout.   I'll guess he gets the KO in round 5 or 6.

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