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post #51 of 235
3/6/09 at 2:33pm
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More like J.J. GAYBRAM$!!
Curses! Well played, LeFors. Well played. Enjoy your little victory...for now.
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post #52 of 235
3/6/09 at 2:35pm
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Gotta say I'm loving this year's trailers for the summer blockbusters. I think Watchmen, Transformers 2, T4, Harry Potter 8 and now this Trek trailer have all been pretty awesome.
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post #53 of 235
3/6/09 at 2:58pm
I kinda like how Bana's villain is a bit older and probably smarter than the heroes. Might make for an interesting dynamic. Anyway, the trailer looks good.
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post #54 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:05pm
my problem with this remains thematic. Spoilers:

The whole plot is that in his attempt to kill Kirk before he's born, Nero changes history. Kirk grows up totally differently - he's a troubled bad boy instead of the slightly bookish nerd he was shown to be as a cadet in the series. But even though everything is changed DESTINY brings Kirk to the Enterprise, and brings everybody who served with him as well. The basic plot here is lke LOST's course correction - no matter how much you fuck with the timeline, Jim Kirk will ALWAYS BE CAPTAIN!!!!

Ugh.
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post #55 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:16pm
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Well if you are really well versed in the mythology I can see this as a problem. But JJ Abrams was probably a choice cause the studios wanted to take this property in a different more mainstream direction and if one of JJ's priorities was to make Kirk more of a 'bad boy', perhaps to appeal to a larger audience, how was he going to accomplish this otherwise? I mean you can change stuff in a Trek reboot, but not having Kirk as a captain with his regular crew would probably not go over very well.

But hell, I don't care one way or the other so I shouldn't even be discussing this.
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post #56 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:17pm
It's not 'the mythology.' It's that the thematic underpinnings are trite, overdone Hero's Journey nonsense yet again.
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post #57 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:19pm
I get your frustration. I mean...look at what Abrams had in mind for Superman.
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post #58 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:22pm
Also, I am almost certain this whole movie gets undone by the end.
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post #59 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
my problem with this remains thematic. Spoilers:

The whole plot is that in his attempt to kill Kirk before he's born, Nero changes history. Kirk grows up totally differently - he's a troubled bad boy instead of the slightly bookish nerd he was shown to be as a cadet in the series. But even though everything is changed DESTINY brings Kirk to the Enterprise, and brings everybody who served with him as well. The basic plot here is lke LOST's course correction - no matter how much you fuck with the timeline, Jim Kirk will ALWAYS BE CAPTAIN!!!!

Ugh.
I don't have a problem with this per se. The fact that Nero changes history, really only affects Kirk essentially (although they are using the history change to explain some of the esthetic changes, if I remember correctly). Regardless, everyone else would end up on the Enterprise because they were already supposed to be on the Enterprise. Nevermind, I can already feel myself overloading trying to plot this out logically. Must remember, suspend logic when watching this film.
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post #60 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:23pm
It's been said plenty of times before, but Star Wars really did some terrible things to scifi. It's like we can't just have good characters anymore; we need a goddamned MYTHOLOGY.
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post #61 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:26pm
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Also, I am almost certain this whole movie gets undone by the end.
Then why not just simply reboot the franchise without all the time-travel non-sense?
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post #62 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
Then why not just simply reboot the franchise without all the time-travel non-sense?
It's trying to have it both ways - bring in new people to watch and keep the fans happy with continuity. But I think they've lost the fans and they still have a steep hill to climb with new people because it's STAR TREK.
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post #63 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
It's been said plenty of times before, but Star Wars really did some terrible things to scifi. It's like we can't just have good characters anymore; we need a goddamned MYTHOLOGY.
Ding ding ding ding. This is exactly the problem.
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post #64 of 235
3/6/09 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
It's trying to have it both ways - bring in new people to watch and keep the fans happy with continuity. But I think they've lost the fans and they still have a steep hill to climb with new people because it's STAR TREK.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm not a Star Trek fan in the slightest and I think that trailer looks amazing.

It's the first time I've been interested in the franchise.

Since I've got no fan baggage, all I really have to go on is what Abrams is selling me. And I like it. Seems to me that I'm not the only non-trekkie that'll be interested in seeing this.
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post #65 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:24pm
Whatever Abrams gifts are, they aren't filmmaking. I saw him rush into the Arclight at 11:58 for the midnight with his posse. Very funny. Trailer sucked. I imagine the graph of my enjoyment will be watching everyone's impression for one minute and then growing steadily bored. Unless Jeremy or Dev flip for this, I'm not going to bother.
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post #66 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:31pm
I didn't find this trailer all that exciting. I also thought the music was pretty blatant about aping Zimmer/Howard's Batman score. The tone was the same, only pitched up a bit. I think I liked the latter parts of the previous trailer more.

That said, I only watched the trailer once.

EDIT: Just watched it again. Played better. That last shot is pretty cool. I don't know why people assumed the trailer music was by Giacchino though...
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post #67 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:32pm
I don't think you need "fan baggage" to recognize that if they in fact just deliver J.J. Abrams' Space Adventures then it is a missed opportunity. Trek had/has a formula that can be used to tell lots of interesting stories beyond "bad guy with doomsday weapon, untested crew and space parachutes are all that stands in the way."

And that's true even if the new movie is "good" on its own.
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post #68 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:36pm
Kirk was a nerd? I thought he had many hot ex-girlfriends they kept running into. And when the space hippies came aboard he says "Scotty, I got into trouble at their age too, relax". And his baby mama in Wrath of Khan said he was the opposite of a boy scout.
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post #69 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by alexc. View Post
Kirk was a nerd? I thought he had many hot ex-girlfriends they kept running into. And when the space hippies came aboard he says "Scotty, I got into trouble at their age too, relax". And his baby mama in Wrath of Khan said he was the opposite of a boy scout.
"Hey, man, I remember you back at the Academy... a stack of books with legs! The first thing I heard from an upperclassman was, 'Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk. In his class, you either think, or sink.'" - Gary Mitchell (Where No Man Has Gone Before)

Yeah, he a bookworm nerdcake back in the day.
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post #70 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:55pm
Might explain why he's banging every humanoid looking entity in the galaxy. Must be making up for lost time or trying to prove something.
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post #71 of 235
3/6/09 at 4:55pm
He took the Kobiashi Maru three times, and beat it on his third pass by hacking the computer. A computer hacker? Not a bad boy.
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post #72 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:01pm
So we really care if fictional Kirk was a bookworm or a jock now?
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post #73 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by BrianM View Post
I don't think you need "fan baggage" to recognize that if they in fact just deliver J.J. Abrams' Space Adventures then it is a missed opportunity. Trek had/has a formula that can be used to tell lots of interesting stories beyond "bad guy with doomsday weapon, untested crew and space parachutes are all that stands in the way."

And that's true even if the new movie is "good" on its own.
And I hope that someday you get whatever movie it is that you'd prefer to watch (no sarcasm meant or intended). The possible success of this film might lead directly to that result.

In the meantime, I'm experiencing actual curiousity about Star Trek. It looks entertaining. I think quite a few folks are going to see this because of that. I have NEVER watched a Star Trek trailer and thought "I'd like to see that."
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post #74 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
So we really care if fictional Kirk was a bookworm or a jock now?
Serious question: why do you visit message boards anymore? You just seem constantly irritated that people are discussing things. And further, you miss the point. I don't give a shit that he's a jock - the problem is that the movie is creating a scenario where Kirk is a jock because of time travel shenanigans, and the whole point is to prove that whatever happened in his life - if his dad lived or died, if he was a good boy or a bad boy, no matter what - Kirk was DESTINED to be captain of the Enterprise. That sucks.
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post #75 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:04pm
I wish the megasuper-duperawesome epic music did it for me. My underwhelming feeling about this film remains unchanged from the first trailer.
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post #76 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:07pm
Ah, it's gotta be personal, right. Fine.

Sorry. I guess different things irritate different people. The destiny thing doesn't bother me any more than a zillion other ridiculous Trek notions.
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post #77 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:08pm
Hmmm...that trailer was the best I've seen yet. If nothing else, it LOOKS like a fun summer movie.

It just doesn't look anything like Star Trek to me, and I'm conflicted about the film for that reason. It looks like the franchise is going through a painful mid-life crisis, trying on flashy new suits, driving expensive new cars, & alienating past loved ones. But is it really going to be worth it in the end--especially if this rumored "re-set" ending is legit?

I also thought it was interesting how little of Quinto's Spock we saw this time around. Remebering Devin's dislike for him in the footage he saw. Interesting...
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post #78 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:16pm
"Listen, kiddo, Jim Kirk was many things, but he was never a Boy Scout!" - Dr. Carol Marcus, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

No reason he couldn't have been a good student and a bit of a rake.
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post #79 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

No reason he couldn't have been a good student and a bit of a rake.
Smart, ambitious, AAAAAAND a sexy bad boy!? How I loathe James Tiberius Kirk!!!!
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post #80 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
He took the Kobiashi Maru three times, and beat it on his third pass by hacking the computer. A computer hacker? Not a bad boy.
He was a cheater! That meets the definition of a bad boy.
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post #81 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
It's been said plenty of times before, but Star Wars really did some terrible things to scifi. It's like we can't just have good characters anymore; we need a goddamned MYTHOLOGY.

Blaming Star Wars for the thematic failings of a reimagined Star Trek movie?

My God, it's amazing we're all still here. I'd have figured the internet would have imploded. Hug your kids..
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post #82 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
the problem is that the movie is creating a scenario where Kirk is a jock because of time travel shenanigans, and the whole point is to prove that whatever happened in his life - if his dad lived or died, if he was a good boy or a bad boy, no matter what - Kirk was DESTINED to be captain of the Enterprise. That sucks.
Yeah. I watched the trailer this morning (couldn't possibly process it last night), and although this trailer is much better than the teaser, this was the fundamental issue with both for me. It isn't even that these themes, this mythology BS, isn't TREK - it's that it's fucking Star Wars, and we already have Star Wars (some might say too much) so what's the point? Why reboot TREK to more of what's been increasingly wrong with it?
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post #83 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:39pm
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I'm surprised by the amount of people who seem to have watched the movie already.
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post #84 of 235
3/6/09 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
I'm surprised by the amount of people who seem to have watched the movie already.
It actually feels like I have, many times over.
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post #85 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:01pm
Am I going mad here? I am sure that when I saw the trailer ealier today there was a moment where Uhura asks Kirk if he know what he is doing. I've just re-watched the clip on the official webiste twice and I can't see it.

Am I day-dreaming non-existent moments from a Star Trek trailer? Dear God, no...
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post #86 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:01pm
I thought the trailer was pretty great. Mostly, it was the music that got me interested.

As long as this movie is far better than the last two, I'll probably be somewhat happy.
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post #87 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:02pm
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Am I going mad here? I am sure that when I saw the trailer ealier today there was a moment where Uhura asks Kirk if he know what he is doing. I've just re-watched the clip on the official webiste twice and I can't see it.

Am I day-dreaming non-existent moments from a Star Trek trailer? Dear God, no...
No, the moment you're thinking of is there. No dream.
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post #88 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:19pm
The new trailer for...Star Trek is excellent. This looks better than any of the TNG films by far.
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post #89 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:39pm
Alas, Leningrad was destined to be destroyed by whale song . . .

But what if destiny was never meant to be?
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post #90 of 235
3/6/09 at 6:59pm
Looks great to me, can't wait to see it.

And after the train wreck that was Nemisis I never thought I would want to see another Trek movie.
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post #91 of 235
3/6/09 at 7:03pm
Looks like a blast. Not entirely sold on Chris Pine yet, but otherwise, it looks like a lot of fun, something this franchise hasn't been in ages.
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post #92 of 235
3/6/09 at 7:34pm
That little "Lost-esque" conceit is annoying but as someone with no attachment to the property I might be able to get beyond that. Then again I think fatalism is a retarded way to view the world so maybe not.

Is there a reason why a spaceship of that size would be constructed on Earth? Wouldn't something like that be easier in space?
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post #93 of 235
3/6/09 at 7:41pm
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It's a movie.
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post #94 of 235
3/6/09 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
It's a movie.
Well sorry if some of us like a little science in our science fiction. I thought maybe it was part of the canon.
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post #95 of 235
3/6/09 at 7:58pm
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Well sorry if some of us like a little science in our science fiction. I thought maybe it was part of the canon.
I thought you were joking. How did you miss the ten page discussion we had on this subject a couple of months ago?

It was analyzed from top to bottom and there are arguments both for and against building it in Space/on earth. But please let's just leave it at that, trust me, nothing good will come from it
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post #96 of 235
3/6/09 at 8:01pm
I thought Judd was joking around too. But I didn't realize you were too, BL.
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post #97 of 235
3/6/09 at 8:09pm
I missed it because until that post I hadn't found the film sufficiently interesting enough to comment on. I'll leave it be.
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post #98 of 235
3/6/09 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Also, I am almost certain this whole movie gets undone by the end.
I mentioned this earlier, but spoiler...


I'm pretty sure that is Old Spock's time ship slamming into Nero's gigantic time traveling doomsday weapon in the trailer. It wouldn't surprise me if they hit a reset button by basically copying the end of the Voyager episode where Janeway sacrifices herself by slamming her ship into - you guessed it - the bad guy's gigantic time traveling doomsday weapon resetting everything back to normal. I'm also going to take a wild guess and say that the only thing that won't be reset is Old Spock's sacrifice.
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post #99 of 235
3/6/09 at 8:40pm
Looks really, well, epic... and the music is great, but I have no interest in this and I have no idea why. I think I'm just too attached to the old films. Whiz bang special effects aren't even winning me over.

Is there any exploration going on? And why so serious?
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post #100 of 235
3/6/09 at 8:49pm
So the planet that's getting sucked down the drain is Romulus, right?
If so, that was covered in the STAR TREK: COUNTDOWN comic tie-in. It's pretty good for an IDW comic.
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