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post #1 of 29
3/28/09 at 8:01am
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A song of the new album he did with Ramirez is out, available at www.marilynmanson.com. "We're America" does sound quite typical, especially the lyrics, but it's surprisingly not the ACSS all-out aggression piece they spoke about. Manson meets Cheap Trick? Has a little U2 vibe going on.

The songs "Arma-Fucking-Geddon" and "The Wow" seem also to have leaked, but I think I'll wait for the May release.

What do you think?
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post #2 of 29
3/28/09 at 3:00pm
Four Rusted Horses- the only other one to leak than those 3, at least as far as I know- is really the only good song so far.
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post #3 of 29
3/29/09 at 4:44pm
I'd give it a big 'meh,' I was surprised how simplistic the music was considering they got Twiggy back. It has a very alternative rock band just starting out vibe to it. I liked some of the lyrics but others sounded like stuff he's said before but not put quite so well this time. I'm holding out hope there will be a few songs I like on this album at least.

And where the hell is Phantasmagoria?
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post #4 of 29
3/29/09 at 4:58pm
Phantasmagoria? Do you mean Deadsy?
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post #5 of 29
3/29/09 at 5:22pm
Phantasmagoria
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post #6 of 29
3/29/09 at 5:34pm
From that article: "It was meant to have been filmed earlier but 'Eat Me, Drink Me' became something that was absolutely my first priority."

If that was an 'Absolute Priority' I don't want a 'distracted' album. Or maybe I do. Either way, I don't have high hopes.
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post #7 of 29
3/29/09 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl View Post
Oh okay, shows what I know. Which is nothing.
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post #8 of 29
3/29/09 at 9:43pm
It's all shit anyways Ed, so no problem.
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post #9 of 29
3/29/09 at 9:49pm
Eat Me, Drink Me was ass, other than 2 songs that I loved, but I'll still give the new one a shot. Manson tends to change shit up enough musically from album to album that there is usually something interesting going on.

That said, he's never topping Mechanical Animals.
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post #10 of 29
3/29/09 at 11:28pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Phantasmagoria? Do you mean Deadsy?
C'mon Ed....
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post #11 of 29
3/30/09 at 10:40am
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Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll will probably be released around the same time as Abelcain and the Holy Wood novel: never.

Haven't heard any new material yet, but have already read a dozen times now that Arma-Fucking-Geddon, Four Rusted Horses and The Wow are tons better than We're from America.

Hopefully it's the Ka-Boom, Ka-Boom of the record. Damn, couldn't actually find one missing link on either ACSS, MA or HW. They're fine work, and I hope after his last two albums were just about PARTY and LOVE respectively, that THEOL is another deep concept piece. Not deep as in Floyd or anything but... you get the point.
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post #12 of 29
3/30/09 at 11:10am
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It's all shit anyways Ed, so no problem.
Good to hear and heart shaped glasses was ASS.
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post #13 of 29
3/31/09 at 9:52pm
If the single is the lesser of the leaked tracks, then I already know I'll be liking this more than the last disc. I quite like "We're From America", at least it's got some fucking pep to it. Eat Me, Drink Me was mostly comatose. Enough of the "god is an excuse" shit though, he's hammered that shit into the fucking ground.
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post #14 of 29
3/31/09 at 10:08pm
PoaAF and ACSS are the only albums I regularly revisit, although there are a few songs on MA that I REALLY like ( I never really liked Smells Like Children that much). I think each album since then has had MAYBE one song each that I somewhat enjoyed. I really dug the tainted love cover, and If I Was Your Vampire was good the first few times I heard it (the Max Payne trailer killed that). It seems like he's just too out of touch. He can't remember how to write powerful lyrics anymore.

Somewhere in a box in my bedroom I have a cassette someone made for me in 98 that has the The 5000 Fingers of Marilyn Manson demo and a few of the old Spooky Kids songs. Unfortunately, even if I can find it, I don't have a tape deck to rip it my Mac with.
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post #15 of 29
4/1/09 at 2:45am
Ogre, Smells Like Children was a glorified "Dope Hat" single though, they just bloated that shit up with covers and randomness to make it an EP/"Sweet Dreams" single.

Give "Red Carpet Grave" and "Evidence" a shot, those were the tracks that stuck out for me on EM,DM, and I still listen to them. There's a pre-Reznor Portrait of an American Family floating around on torrent sites, and it's kind of cool. Not the extreme difference between Purest Feeling and Pretty Hate Machine for NIN, but interesting none the less.
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post #16 of 29
4/1/09 at 10:12am
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News have it that the leaked songs are the most commercial ones on the record, they're apparently testing which ones could be radio singles.

Well couldn't resist and damn, Four Rusted Horses is pretty good. That could easily have been included on Holy Wood. Hope the other 11 songs are as good as that, and better than the boring MA rip-off Arma and the extremely ass The Wow.
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post #17 of 29
4/4/09 at 10:57pm
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PoaAF and ACSS are the only albums I regularly revisit, although there are a few songs on MA that I REALLY like ( I never really liked Smells Like Children that much). I think each album since then has had MAYBE one song each that I somewhat enjoyed.
Agreed.

Portrait is a completely underrated straight-up hard rock album. There are some killer riffs in there (Misery Machine, Lunch Box, Wrapped in Plastic). Antichrist I pretty much still love start to finish. Holy Wood had a couple decent songs (Love Song, Disposable Teens). But I haven't liked anything since.

From what I heard, I dig the direction he's going in with new album though. Holding out hope he's got something really worthwhile left in him.
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post #18 of 29
4/10/09 at 4:35pm
God, man, EMDM was such a disappointment... it was the album full of juvenile emo vampire bullshit that people always accused Manson of being all about, even when up until that album his work had all been so much more. I hope that was just a dark spot on his discography, which many great musicians have, and that this new disk is a return to form.
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post #19 of 29
4/10/09 at 4:59pm
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God, man, EMDM was such a disappointment... it was the album full of juvenile emo vampire bullshit that people always accused Manson of being all about, even when up until that album his work had all been so much more.
Even the production is relatively poor. That album is a bit too "tinny" for my liking, especially Manson's voice.
The only thing I actually like about it is that it's kind of like a classic rock/80's alt album(with solos!) musically. Too bad Manson himself lets down the music, which was at least trying something different. I still stand by "Red Carpet Grave" and "Evidence" being awesome, the rest of the disc be damned.
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post #20 of 29
4/10/09 at 5:08pm
"You, Me, and The Devil Make 3" gets a play every once in a while, and I still believe there's a version of "They Say That Hell's Not Hot" that's a worth a shit out there somewhere in the aether.

I'll definitely be crossing my fingers for something more interesting this time. Either way though, I'd rather him be working and producing than not at all.
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post #21 of 29
4/10/09 at 5:18pm
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"You, Me, and The Devil Make 3" gets a play every once in a while, and I still believe there's a version of "They Say That Hell's Not Hot" that's a worth a shit out there somewhere in the aether.
Good call on that, it's one of the other highlights.

I'm just hoping the new disc is as entertaining as Golden Age of Grotesque. I'm not really expecting anything "good" from him at this point, but if he can pull that off, bravo.
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post #22 of 29
5/26/09 at 1:06pm
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It's out.. and so so. Doesn't really seem like he put much effort in it. Filler material all over. Especially Running to the Edge of the World is damn weak.

It's quite surprising, especially after having Ramirez back into the band and all the promise of a darker album. The new album is actually the first not to have an overall concept and tone, and there is lots of stuff sounding like pieces from the other ones. Which gets even more obvious when you take a look at the video for arma, which itself looks like a cross of his earlier stuff and is lazily generic. Even the Mickey Mouse ears are back.

I wonder what the nine unused collaborations with Wes Borland would have sounded like. Hopefully next one is more than a cheap rehash and more thought out again.

Kudos to 15, Pretty as a and Movies though.
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post #23 of 29
5/28/09 at 5:23am
I've been holding out hope for a long time that he's just going down the same shitty path that Bowie did in the 80's and that he will eventually team up with some new young Trent Reznor type and get his mojo back. Still have my fingers crossed...

At least we have the old stuff to listen to, that's the important thing.
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post #24 of 29
6/15/09 at 2:43pm
Well, it's a helluva lot better than EM, DM, so that's cool. I was ready to count him out completely.

It sucks that it's edited(the generic "Blank and White"), but that's what you get when you mention the president, even if it is vague as fuck. And the song titles are really bad overall. "WOW"(love that chorus, kind of "eh" on the almost spoken word verses), "15" and "Four Rusted Horses" are probably my favorites right now.
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post #25 of 29
6/24/09 at 3:07pm
You know, I like it. It isn't as good as his first few albums but it may be on par with Golden Age, anyway it's certainly better than his last piece of crap.

Arma-goddamn-motherfuckin-geddon is probably my favourite song on the album, it really takes me back to Antichrist Superstar. Damn it, Marilyn Manson just doesn't work as a musician without Twiggy.
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post #26 of 29
6/25/09 at 6:01pm
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To be honest, I think that EMDM is way underrated and definitely better than this. Skold did a good job musically and unlike HOEL, all songs on EMDM feel like born from the same womb.

Devour is good, but I honestly think that Vampire is more interesting as an opener. I know, the song title is a terrible choice, so are the lyrics, but if heard quite loudly (or live) it's very strong.

Are you the Rabbit is a damn good strip bar song.

Movies could have been so much better if the final part was different. The lead up is great, but the disharmonic end breaks it apart. I prefer the very similar Para-Noir.

Mutilation, Devil and Evidence are easy on the ears and Car Crash kills every slow number on HEOL.

What bugs me is Manson's ongoing interest in making songs about himself and how he handles... breakups. The Manson that got big was the one writing bitter, creative, sarcastic, fucked up and intelligent stuff about society. I want that back, and Manson's comments like "This Album is who I am" makes me doubt we'll ever get another album as good as Mechanical Animals. He doesn't seem to see why the whole music business accepted him in the first place; not because of his wild stage antics, but first of all because he delivered three actually awesome records in a row.

Also, you can definitely notice a current desinterest in all that he does. Guy did some shows in Europe and they were a mess, with him perfoming lazily, bored, without fx or show elements. I've seem him quite a few times by now but seriously, he's having a major midlife crisis.
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post #27 of 29
6/26/09 at 2:51pm
That we can all agree on.

I mean, he's doing stuff with fucking Lady Gaga! LADY GAGA!
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post #28 of 29
12/3/09 at 11:29pm
Marilyn Manson Splits With Interscope:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/...nterscope.html
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post #29 of 29
12/7/09 at 5:07am
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I'd be glad about it, if it weren't for two of his statements.

"the first example is the newest video, they clearly wouldn't have allowed me to make that video"

Anyone seen it (Running to the Edge of the World)? So weak. Gone is the visually interesting stuff, it's just what he did on (s)Aint over again. He wants it to look real, authentic and be hardcore, it doesn't leave any impact though. The last really good one was mObscene, six years ago.

About the next record:

“Yeah, I think it will be more badass, I think it’s going to be more romantic maybe. Self abusive.”

That is exactly the same he said about the last two records. It's time he stops singing about himself and his squeezes. The last thing anyone's interested in is a sad Manson singing about love. Remember when he announced that Kerry King would work on the record? The last record sold about 100.000 units, Holy Wood sold 9.000.000 units.

“In the States – and a few select dates in Europe maybe – we plan to play the three albums, ‘Holywood’, ‘Mechanical Animals’ and ‘Antichrist Superstar’ top-to-bottom at three nights in each city, which is something we’ve never done – we’ve never attempted live.”

This could be nice, though.
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